TT No. 51 - Mazda RX7/8 and Post '89 Rally Cars

[Stotty]

Regarding tune sharing...

It's always a bonus to get a tune from someone right at the top of the leaderboard, and Yinato is generally a top bloke in that regard. But I wouldn't expect drivers who have the ability to actually win a TT to share their tune - of course the vast majority don't not have the ability to compete at the top even with the tune from the #1 time, but the few who are real 'Aliens' will.

I don't have a problem sharing as I don't have the skills to win even with a miracle tune

 

[Jaywalker]

Using 'pmjg's loaner RX7. Thought I'd just have a few goes with it before I try the dirt track.

Brought my time down to 1:41.022.

Can't let it go now until I crack a 1:40 something sec time. Hopefully.

Yeah, I got a 1:40.5xx on my first few laps with this tune. Must spend more time with this one. Def my car of choice so far. Nice tune & thanks, pmjg66! 👍

Regarding tune sharing...

...

I don't have a problem sharing as I don't have the skills to win even with a miracle tune

Thanks for sharing your tune, Stotty. 👍 I've only used the 7 so far, so I must give your 8 a crack...

 

[Morgoth_666]

I've been intending to try out some posted tunes to see what difference they make for a long time but never seem to get around to it. I'm not terribly good at making my own but I still usually do so if I want to improve a car. Had the day off work today so I finally decided to try some out.

I spent a couple hours trying 4 different tunes for the RX-8 from RKM, Clueless, Motor City and Praiano. They were for various PP levels and all used slightly different parts than I have, including Weight Reduction 3 to my 2, but I was more interested in the effects the suspension and diff settings had than making an exact copy. They all obviously felt quite different, but to my minor surprise after a 10ish lap test with each one my best times were all within 2 or 3 tenths of each other and no improvement from my own [incomplete - not really worked on camber/toe/LSD yet] setup. Actually, I did technically improve with my most preferred setup from Clueless but by less than a thousandth.

I did see some time to gain with some of them, and they all were more stable on corner exit than what I had. But nothing there that made me magically a lot faster. I'm not sure if that is reassuring or worrisome. I'm sure that with some practice I could improve and break 100 seconds with the Clueless setup, but it does appear my issues are still largely technique-related. I'll have to see what happens with Stotty's tune recently posted here now(thanks!). Maybe I can at least learn a little something about how to improve my own setups by studying how more accomplished tuners do things, although the end product doesn't show how it was arrived at.

Dropped to just outside the top 400 after a couple days off and todays session with no time improvement.

 

[Diogo Gomes]

Regarding tune sharing...

It's always a bonus to get a tune from someone right at the top of the leaderboard, and Yinato is generally a top bloke in that regard. But I wouldn't expect drivers who have the ability to actually win a TT to share their tune - of course the vast majority don't not have the ability to compete at the top even with the tune from the #1 time, but the few who are real 'Aliens' will.

I don't have a problem sharing as I don't have the skills to win even with a miracle tune

Thanks for accepting my friend request and sharing your cars, I'm 77th with your Evo but I think I can still gain some more tenths in the hairpins.

 

[DTM]

Here's what I have so far... It's not easy to drive as it has understeer in the faster corners and traction issues on exits, but the 8 is still faster than the 7 for me. Probably not a car for most pad users as it requires some quite precise throttle applications. I'm as fast as Amo in T1 and 3, but lose time in T2 and 4.

I'll spend some more time on it over the week.

RX8 Type S '07 (brand new premium car)
No oil change, new rims.

Parts
Weight reduction stage 3
Window weight reduction
Carbon bonnet
Engine stage 3
Full suspension, gears and LSD
Clutch, flywheel, carbon prop
Rear Wing

Ballast 200kg @ position 50
Engine power limiter 97.1%
Rear Wing 18

Makes 289bhp @ 1,285kg for 460ppts

Settings
Ride -20, 0
Springs 8.8, 16.0
Rebound 4, 9
Bound 3, 8
ARB 3, 7
Camber 2.0, 1.0
Toe -0.10, -0.05

LSD 12, 18, 5

Brakes 4, 5

Gears (Set max speed to minimum, set individual gears, then final)
1st 4.113
2nd 3.207
3rd 2.613
4th 2.174
5th 1.841
6th 1.578
Final 3.301

Thanks for the tune Chris. Could not resist to give it a go. Only tried your suspension and LSD, to give me impression how the car handles and i like it. To answer you message from PSN. The RX-8 is harder to drive indeed but i think be cause it is of your tune. It hard a difficult to handle but it's fast indeed. I did about 8 laps and did 39.0xx 3 laps in a row. My best so far on the board is 39.002. I quite be cause i don't feel so well. With my previous on the RX-7, where i tried about 20 tunes on and was aiming for a high 38. But with this car and your tune i gonna mark myself a new target time.


Thanks to al the other guys who's tune i tried. But a tune is a personal thing. If i want to be competitive i need to be lucky and run into a good tune that suits me. During the previous TT with the GSX on Suzi East i found one and it paid of. And of course the loaning of a dirty oil car from Mitch and JK helpt me to place a bit higher. Suzi is one of my favorite track as well and that helps as well.

 

[Stotty]

Thanks for accepting my friend request and sharing your cars, I'm 77th with your Evo but I think I can still gain some more tenths in the hairpins.

No problems 👍

The tune on that one is by Terrahorn (adapted from a tune by Yinato I believe) other than an adjustment to the downforce, but I guessed some people might not have the car so I put it on share anyway.

Thanks for the tune Chris. Could not resist to give it a go. Only tried your suspension and LSD, to give me impression how the car handles and i like it. To answer you message from PSN. The RX-8 is harder to drive indeed but i think be cause it is of your tune. It hard a difficult to handle but it's fast indeed. I did about 8 laps and did 39.0xx 3 laps in a row. My best so far on the board is 39.002. I quite be cause i don't feel so well. With my previous on the RX-7, where i tried about 20 tunes on and was aiming for a high 38. But with this car and your tune i gonna mark myself a new target time.

There's the other thing about using other people's tunes

If I build a tune it will probaly be very different to something from one of the tuning houses on here. They tend to build a car to suit the average driver, and their cars will be generally stable and nice/enjoyable to drive... great for racing with your mates or in an open lobby.

But that's not my objective! I want the car to be as fast as possible over a single lap, and sometimes that can make the car a bitch to drive. If I was building a car to race with I might make it a bit more consistent

Plus some people have wheels, some pads, and we all have slightly different styles & talent levels... so something I build might not even suit someone with a similar ability level to mine, never mind someone 100's or 1,000's of places lower on the boards.

The RX8 is still quite tame - yes, it oversteers a bit on corner exits, but it still understeers too much for me in the faster corners. I'm going to have another go at it this week and dial that out... which will likely make it a bit harder to drive

 

[MAZZYWAZZYDANNY]

Just done a 105.733 in the impreza and was over 0.3 down after the first section. Have been 0.1 down after the first section before so potentially could knock another 0.2 off this. I can't get the basic speed down with the Mitsubishi but with the Scooby I am cathching Amo on the straights. Also Stotty I was wondering why your Mistsubishi is 344hp and mine before I changed the oil was 358? I really wish i hadn't changed the oil as the 358hp would give me a little more balast and I think I could tune it to go faster than I can in the Scooby Doo

 

[pmjg66]

Yeah, I got a 1:40.5xx on my first few laps with this tune. Must spend more time with this one. Def my car of choice so far. Nice tune & thanks, pmjg66! 👍

👍 no problem,probably not the outright fastest but its very stable with reasonable turn in.

 

[Stotty]

Just done a 105.733 in the impreza and was over 0.3 down after the first section. Have been 0.1 down after the first section before so potentially could knock another 0.2 off this. I can't get the basic speed down with the Mitsubishi but with the Scooby I am cathching Amo on the straights. Also Stotty I was wondering why your Mistsubishi is 344hp and mine before I changed the oil was 358? I really wish i hadn't changed the oil as the 358hp would give me a little more balast and I think I could tune it to go faster than I can in the Scooby Doo

Great time 👍

Not sure why mine has different stats... must be something to do with balllast/parts/power levels... I've done nothing other than stick Terrahorns tune on it

Might have to try the Scooby

 

[Keano1958]

Thanks TerraHorn for sharing your setting..
Oké, maybe I ‘am not the fastest around (maybe its the age) but with your settings i was a second faster as my old time…
Make some changes on the front
-28
7.5
2
1
2
Down force 12-8
And again i was 0.3 sec faster.

 

[Shoe67]

For the Eiger race, what first sector time should I aim for? I am hitting 28.7 usually, but I feel like it is extremely slow. And help please?

 

[suba1960]

thank you very much Stotty for add me
i ll try with your evo for better luck
thank again and all others that share their tunes

 

[Morgoth_666]

Just couldn't stop lol. Finally improved, to 100.091 and 327th place at the time I quit.

I tried Stotty's settings and it didn't feel at all difficult to manage, easier than some of the others I was messing with to come to grips with. But after 20 laps I still hadn't bettered my time despite being close a couple of times. Went back to the Clueless setup that I was using before which seemed a little bit more consistent for me, but it still took another 30 laps to improve on an entire lap. So close so many times. Forgot to save my replay of course.

 

[Doodle]

I felt so confident after racing with my G27 in an online lobby today that I decided to have a go with it at Eiger. After about 20 minutes or so I got a 1:05.754 which is just shy of my .746 with my DS3. I'll have another go tomorrow.

 

[Shoe67]

I felt so confident after racing with my G27 in an online lobby today that I decided to have a go with it at Eiger. After about 20 minutes or so I got a 1:05.754 which is just shy of my .746 with my DS3. I'll have another go tomorrow.

What is you sector 1 time? I am hitting 28.5 consistent now. I feel like that is super slow. What times are you and the other top guys at? Cause I'm total lap at 1:07.2

 

[Doodle]

What is you sector 1 time? I am hitting 28.5 consistent now. I feel like that is super slow. What times are you and the other top guys at? Cause I'm total lap at 1:07.2

I think Amo is running 27.6's and I'm running consistent 27.8's right now.

 

[Shoe67]

I think Amo is running 27.6's and I'm running consistent 27.8's right now.

Ok, thank you, so I gotta work on my time through there.

 

[screp RC]

@ MAZZYWAZZYDANNY

What do you feel is the faster car, the Scooby or the Evo??

 

[MAZZYWAZZYDANNY]

I think I could personally go faster in the Evo as it feels more planted. I don't know what tune Amo uses but he seems to be very quick with the acceleration out the corners. I am using the Scooby because I changed the oil on my Evo which was a bad idea. I borrowed Stottys Evo but it only had 344 BHP and mine had 358 before I changed the oil. The Scooby is much more twitchy and it took me ages to tune it to get it feeling more planted. It could potentially equal Amos time if you could get out the first section fast enough.

 

[screp RC]

I don´t think the fact that you changed the oil is holding you back. In fact you need those extra HP form the oil change to reach 550PP when you take out all aero and put a lot of weight on the back of the Evo. But I am curious to see if everybody is wrong by assuming the Super Evo is the car to go. In the past we had the 111r,honda element, GTR specV mixing everything up

 

[DTM]

There's the other thing about using other people's tunes

If I build a tune it will probaly be very different to something from one of the tuning houses on here. They tend to build a car to suit the average driver, and their cars will be generally stable and nice/enjoyable to drive... great for racing with your mates or in an open lobby.

But that's not my objective! I want the car to be as fast as possible over a single lap, and sometimes that can make the car a bitch to drive. If I was building a car to race with I might make it a bit more consistent

Plus some people have wheels, some pads, and we all have slightly different styles & talent levels... so something I build might not even suit someone with a similar ability level to mine, never mind someone 100's or 1,000's of places lower on the boards.

The RX8 is still quite tame - yes, it oversteers a bit on corner exits, but it still understeers too much for me in the faster corners. I'm going to have another go at it this week and dial that out... which will likely make it a bit harder to drive

You nailed that one right on the head, just like you do with most of the corners

But one thing never came up in my mind. That (most of) the tune you find in the garages here are made for constancy (enduro) and not for hot lapping. Just like you said. it happen rarely that i find a tune there that helps me to be fast.

I really needs to learn tuning, but have no idea where to start. So i'm stuck there. Over the years a reach a pretty nice pace but need my own tuning ability to find that last bit, to end up the board where i want to. We need a tuning academy.

 

[MAZZYWAZZYDANNY]

I don't think there is much of a difference at all. Everybody jumps on one car because i guess they see most people are using it. I mean i wouldn't come top in the evo and i wont in the subaru. Putting in a faultless lap in the Subaru would put me in the top 10 and I guess the same in the evo if I had the right tune. Maybe I should chage the oil in the Subaru and see if I can go even quicker

 

[MAZZYWAZZYDANNY]

@ Roomboter I think it's definately beneficial to tune yourself as you are the individual driving the car. As a starting point its great to use somebody elses tune but u can't depend on it to work for you. Like everything in life it's about finding the right balance. Once you get used to what settings you need to change your intuition gets better and you get a feel for what does what. For example I couldn't get the back to come out on the subaru in the first twisty section so I put some downforce on the front end which helped but then I was losing some grip out of the corners so I lowered the camber on the back wheels but then I was not so fast through the faster longer corners so I adjusted the differential to tighten it up a bit on the back wheels. It's really all about messing around but if you never do it you will never get better I guess The first few time trials it was taking me until near the end of the time trial to get the tune right but now my intuition takes over more and I can get it right half way through which gives more time to climb the leaderboard. I imagine the guys at the top get the tune right on the first day and then just keeping nailing laps and eventually your gonna get it right. Unfortunately it doesn't matter how much you nail a lap if your tune is wrong it's not gonna be fast enough and that can be frustrating!

 

[PR1VATEJ0KER]

Looks like the RX-8 is faster than the RX-7 Spirit now :'(

 

[yannagas]

Good point there MazzyWazzy, all tunes are different as players are i guess,
for sure there are some weird settings that gt5 likes, and these can only be found by trial and error. By weird I mean not real life like.
It seems these weird settings make cars go faster, handle better etc.
These are the alien's secrets some of which we get to know when top players share their weird tunes.
Don't get me wrong, they are skilled and fast more than most of us and they deserve the honors, but a faster car is a faster car.

for me it seems that for the Eiger-Evo combo running without AS is faster,
i got almost half a second when i got rid of it,but also
PS_B4NN4Mi (no AS) just beat Amo (AS strong) in 1st.

 

[MAZZYWAZZYDANNY]

Yeah pretty amazing time considering hes not cheating

 

[Doodle]

Looks like the RX-8 is faster than the RX-7 Spirit now :'(

I still don't even understand why everyone was using the RX7 in the first place.

 

[ChuckPrat]

Aloha friends. Here is my setup for Eiger Nordwand (based on old Yinato setup). Atm on 27th place (01:06.183). Setup has at least 0.2 sec room for improvement.

Shift early (power curve). Use 1th gear on first 2-3 corners for back roll.

Tried those setting on Subaru IMPREZA RALLY CAR '03 454hp it was flawless thx
exept camber front 2 rear 3

 

[Bocha]

You nailed that one right on the head, just like you do with most of the corners

But one thing never came up in my mind. That (most of) the tune you find in the garages here are made for constancy (enduro) and not for hot lapping. Just like you said. it happen rarely that i find a tune there that helps me to be fast.

I really needs to learn tuning, but have no idea where to start. So i'm stuck there. Over the years a reach a pretty nice pace but need my own tuning ability to find that last bit, to end up the board where i want to. We need a tuning academy.

Same here.

I'm starting in tuning with this great thread bring to us for the grat eclipsee

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=242590

 

[Doodle]

Has anyone seen Amo's new lap? He's got a stange new way of braking into turn 1