Update 1.03 - What exactly happened to the MR cars?
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- TEAM-SWD-daus26
Please test drive the Lamborghini Diablo GT2. I ran sports hard on that car, which seemed fine, then I equipped Racing Hard, and my lap times were very similar. In some cases, sports hard handled better.
I use wheels and pedals so I have full control of the throttle. There's no way this car is this much a mess in real life, right? Please don't say learn to drive.
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If you use cockpit view, the semi race exhaust is pretty decent.
It's a nasty 4 cyl exhaust sample but in cockpit view (and bumper view, presumably) it blends nicely with the engine sound for a surprisingly decent and somewhat authentic sound.
Like a muted stock Zonda sample mixed with an Aston Martin DBR9.
3h ~50 laps in Brands Hatch GP with the R8 LMS ultra Phoenix ... (No aids)
Offline, "S" 15 lap race.
R8 is slower after stop and eats rear tires. (1:25,6 2nd lap, 1:26,3 14th lap, RH tires)
First 8 dry laps = same rear wear as 5wet+2dry laps after stop
(5 wet took only one bar off)
Online: (all settings to real)
Was surprised how different online feels ! (First time with a race car)
Car balance/handling is the same as offline but it feels more sharp, i have to be more sensitive with control inputs
RH:
Did ~12laps, best was a 1:25,6 most high 26/low 27 after stop only managed one 1:27,2
Interesting was that after stop i had to be more carefuel with brakes because sometimes rear started to lock before the front, almost crashed 3 times. This never happened before with my setting (bias 5/4) sign of less rear grip after stop ?
RS:
Took some laps to get used to them, lots of grip but less forgiving than RH, had to drive more clean and careful.
Best after ~10 laps 1:24,2 (room for more) after stop 1:25,x
Before stop front/rear wear equal, after stop double rear wear.
For all races:
Cars is less edgy after stop, it has more understeer and rear is more planted under braking and acceleration.
But it is not a big difference, i like it more before the stop as i can use the loose rear to get it turning and keep it tight on exit.
Before stop i had some moments under braking or out of corners, after stop i ran wide a few times out of corners.
I think i never crashed it before the stop but two times in a 2nd lap after stop (and had to crawl back to pits to repair it)
I find this very interesting because it is the opposite of what happens an 2 other MR race cars i tested.
They both are tame (understeer) before the the stop and get more edgy (oversteer) after it.
On both it feels like there is less rear grip after stop.
But true for all is that rear tire wear and laptimes increase after the stop.
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- Teth75
Agree. Tried every setting going and it has the same problems no-matter what i changed. Snap oversteer, no traction, braking instability and overall unbalanced. It's such a shame as its a lovely car, hope it gets an update
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- MadHax
- M8DH8X
Pretty clear to me that you havent been reading what this is about. If you have some time put on Racing Soft tyres and take the R8 LMS Ultra for a drive. Do 3 or 4 laps before you pit and change the tyres, keep an eye on what kind of times you can do with first set of tyres, then compare your times and how the car feels with the second set.
The car feels different after Pit-stop, nothing to do with driver error!
R8 Does not feel very realistic on 1st set of tyres, I refuse to believe this is how the R8 GT3 car drives in real life, you n00b bashers can say what you want.
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In a forum full of people who think the Aventador, the McLaren F1 or both Diablo sound good, I'm surprised and very pleased to find someone who knows this much about engine sounds 👍
You are absolutely right. I did try it and it does blend in with the VERY faint base sample and it does sound a bit like a V12. It's almost unnoticeable though.
Setting for the R8 LMS ultra Team Phoenix i used in the race/test above (thx Ridox2JZGTE)
599pp/394kW/1250kg, no ballast/tuning
Ride 72/77
Spring 11,24/15,97
Comp 4/3
Ext 4/1
Stab 3/3
Camb 1/0
Toe 0/0,1
Bb 5/4
Diff 27/9/9
Df 400/750
Not perfect but far from undriveable !
599pp/394kW/1250kg, no ballast/tuning
Ride 72/77
Spring 11,24/15,97
Comp 4/3
Ext 4/1
Stab 3/3
Camb 1/0
Toe 0/0,1
Bb 5/4
Diff 27/9/9
Df 400/750
Not perfect but far from undriveable !
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- OdeFinn
First I don't use racing softs, too ultra grip for all cars, but when getting back to home can test that for you.
Answering already what I have noticed by earlier playing; after pit stop you have to drive one or one and half lap(depends track jadajada) easily to warm your tires slowly to keep them on stable temperature or you spoil grip because of too much skidding/sliding.
After warm-up of tires those work exactly same as 1st stint tires.
On Audi ultra driving is easier if tires are sliding a bit and that might be reason why you got better times with 2nd stint burnt tires.
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If you read my large post above you will see that i actually found out the same thing that OdeFinn said !
Race soft have tons of grip but if you push them over the limit it gets very nasty.
If you have no SRF that saves your ass you better know what you are doing next.
They need to be driven very carefully to be fast and safe, wrong tire for sliding around without SRF and with real grip/tire settings online.
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- Sum1s2pid
I really believe what you are saying, i also found out that it needs some time in races with "real" tire wear until the tires have full grip.
But i still think there is something wrong after the pit stop.
The car 5 laps in the race is different to the car 5 laps after the pit stop.
Also the higher rear tire wear is there after the pit stop.
Do the same test i did with the R8 in an online lobby with real tire wear/real grip, test how much laps you can do on RS before and after the stop.
(Or use RH if you have enough time
)I bet you can't do the same amount of laps with the same laptimes before and after the stop !
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- TEAM-SWD-daus26
Never mind, then.
The point is driving it as is. If we have to mess with the settings so much that deters it so much from the stock, it becomes pointless.
Like I said before, I'm only asking about your opinion. I've done everything I could for the car already. I'm not asking how to drive it better or easier.
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- Morphisorius
See my previous post above. In addition, the 'official' specs for the MP4-12C GT3 also list traction control:
http://gt3europe.com/cars.php?market=false&key=48
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Anyone driving these cars without TCS and ABS is of course free to do so, HOWEVER they cannot make claims about the cars' handling based on that experience, since the real cars make extensive use of these aids! Most likely their handling is set up around this very fact!
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- phil_75
Since 1.03 the Audi Ultra seems better planted at the back to me, it doesn't have that unnatural floaty feeling like the rear is not in contact with the track properly.
It still has all the same traits but it just feels more "right" now.
(Stock settings no aids but ABS1)
The Delta wing also feels better too imo.
What was the race where the AI cars rears would lift off the ground under braking?
Has anyone checked if they still do it?
It still has all the same traits but it just feels more "right" now.
(Stock settings no aids but ABS1)
The Delta wing also feels better too imo.
What was the race where the AI cars rears would lift off the ground under braking?
Has anyone checked if they still do it?
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- MadHax
- M8DH8X
You really think you are talking to somebody that does not know how to drive. Let me put it this way for you, I'm no n00b driver. I can drive and understand the tyres will be cold once you set out of pits.
And you came on here ready to flame without even testing. Cant you people just test these things before coming on to compare balls? WTF, just test it already.
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Chris Harris discusses its use in this video:
Endurance cars (of various classes) use traction control system (which the driver can adjust), its actually the norm
Edited to add: Tree'd
Calm the attitude down please.
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- MadHax
- M8DH8X
stb we have been having this discussion for a while now. Do you guys assume that I just simply cannot drive and don't know where the cars limit lies?
The reason there is a time difference before and after pit is because the limit of the car is different and the reason I say to use Racing Soft tyres is because this bug is more noticeable with them.
Damn I don't know how many times I have to say the same thing.
I think i'll head back to PC sims and let PD do some repair work, i'll check back again after new update.
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- Spurgy777
Been doing some testing in the R8 LMS's today, and it seems the Ultra's have been given a more understeery default setup than the Oreca, and that the Phoenix has 900 rear downforce instead of 650 like the other two, which is why it is more stable that the basic Ultra and much more stable than the Oreca.
Here's an Oreca/Ultra default setup comparison.
Oreca:
Ride: 85/90
Springs: 15.91/22.48
Dampers: 4/4 4/4
ARB: 3/3 3/3
Camber: 0.0/0.0
Toe: 0.00/0.20
Ultra:
Ride: 50/55
Spring: 14.72/20.86
Dampers: 4/4 4/4
ARB: 3/3
Camber 3.0/1.0
Toe: -0.30/0.40
As you can see the camber, toe and ride height is massively different meaning the Oreca has a lot of random snap oversteer, and after the pit, when the car becomes more understeery, feels fixed.
The basic Ultra which has a more understeey setup but the same downforce has much more controllable snaps of oversteer before the stop, then understeers after the stop, meaning you get similar lap times but with reversed handling.
And the Ultra Phoenix, which I assumed would be the same as the basic one which is why I haven't tested it until today, is stable before the stop thanks to it's extra 250 rear downforce and understeery setup, but has way too much understeer after the stop making it slower.
Also starting to get tired of these childish, insulting "learn to drive better" posts.
Here's an Oreca/Ultra default setup comparison.
Oreca:
Ride: 85/90
Springs: 15.91/22.48
Dampers: 4/4 4/4
ARB: 3/3 3/3
Camber: 0.0/0.0
Toe: 0.00/0.20
Ultra:
Ride: 50/55
Spring: 14.72/20.86
Dampers: 4/4 4/4
ARB: 3/3
Camber 3.0/1.0
Toe: -0.30/0.40
As you can see the camber, toe and ride height is massively different meaning the Oreca has a lot of random snap oversteer, and after the pit, when the car becomes more understeery, feels fixed.
The basic Ultra which has a more understeey setup but the same downforce has much more controllable snaps of oversteer before the stop, then understeers after the stop, meaning you get similar lap times but with reversed handling.
And the Ultra Phoenix, which I assumed would be the same as the basic one which is why I haven't tested it until today, is stable before the stop thanks to it's extra 250 rear downforce and understeery setup, but has way too much understeer after the stop making it slower.
Also starting to get tired of these childish, insulting "learn to drive better" posts.
If you're looking for "real life" performance, try comfort softs. I'm not saying the car physics is modeled accurately, but in most cases, the tires provided in the game stock are at least one step too grippy.
Edit: Not sure on this car. Realised which car the GT2 was. Try it and see how the balance is. Then compare lap times with known times.
Edit2: And if you don't want to do a little setup, no use complaining. It won't be heard. It's ludicrous to assume every car should handle as it does in reality with 1,200+ cars.
Then why don't you follow your own advice and test it again with my setup ?
You are angry because some people tell you it's your driving style, and now you do exactly the same to me.
I tested 3h long with the R8 and told you what i found out.
I even agree with you that it is less edgy after the stop, but for me the difference is not big and i am slower after the stop.(not by much but repeatable)
I also told you what my experience is with race soft's , fast but make it harder to drive fast lap after lap, if you get it wrong a bit they are more dangerous than RH's.
I also postet all laptimes, why don't you do the same and show us that you can drive faster after the stop ?
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