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Re: Pit lane passing

The only rule which exists is to not cross the line when exiting the pits. There is no rule against using that area as your racing line, to defend, to pass, whatever.

Couple of examples (really hard to find passes or defending using the pitlane on youtube apparently):

Pass using entire pit exit: (Ok, some fuss over the push towards the wall, but pit lane is used nonetheless and no penalty given)


Massa passing Webber and using whole pit exit: (Ignore the long video and music, can't find another video with this same pass)


Hamilton passing Massa using whole pit exit:
 
Yes.. Hmmmm, it just feels so wrong. I meen, looking at that last video... That must be extremely dangerous..
 
Yes.. Hmmmm, it just feels so wrong. I meen, looking at that last video... That must be extremely dangerous..

I think its seen as legal as he's been forced in that situation by the other car.

Nice vids btw Andil.
 
Oh aye, Massa/Webber one imo is the worst because he cuts into the pit exit with no clue as to whether another car will be there or not. But it's legal.

I can't really think of another circuit where the pit exit comes into play on GT5 anyway tbh (maybe Fuji or Suzuka if you were being really heavily defensive), but certainly defending a position or trying to pass into turn 1 without using the pit exit will be quite difficult imo. The exit iirc goes all the way down to around the 75m mark - I'm braking at 100m, so if I'm passing on the inside I'm going to have to use it.

Same with in that last video, the pit exit goes all the way to the turn in point for the corner; it's impossible to make a pass there without using the pit exit area.

Just use the map and be sensible as to whether there's space available or not imo.
 
Oh aye, Massa/Webber one imo is the worst because he cuts into the pit exit with no clue as to whether another car will be there or not. But it's legal.

I can't really think of another circuit where the pit exit comes into play on GT5 anyway tbh (maybe Fuji or Suzuka if you were being really heavily defensive), but certainly defending a position or trying to pass into turn 1 without using the pit exit will be quite difficult imo. The exit iirc goes all the way down to around the 75m mark - I'm braking at 100m, so if I'm passing on the inside I'm going to have to use it.

Same with in that last video, the pit exit goes all the way to the turn in point for the corner; it's impossible to make a pass there without using the pit exit area.

Just use the map and be sensible as to whether there's space available or not imo.

Hmm, well.. I don't think looking at my map is a good idea when I'm about to pass someone :). And I would be extremely mad if someone hit me when I just made my pit-stop and was on my way out on the circuit again.

I know, this is "just a game", but it would also be good if the rules was clear and in the same time was applyed to take away the risk of an uneccesarry collision.

So with a rule that says no one can cross the pit-line at any point (unless avoiding an accident) would be 100% clear to everyone, also reduce the risk of an uneccesarry crash.

A rule that says that you can cross the pit-line when not coming from the pits is also clear to everyone, just the fact that it opens up for collisions mekes it a not so good rule in my book..

So even if that rule does'nt exist as I tought IRL-racing. We shoul concider it for the championship.

Also, the area left on the outside of the pit-line for the cars still on track is big enough for overtaking imo. I can agree that Suzuka is tight.. But it is absloteley possible to brake late on the inside of a car. I held a GT500 race at Suzuka last week, and it was tight, but doable. happened a few times. I also gave a few penaltys for crossing the pit-line in that race.
 
"No DVI Signal"

Help? I keep restarting my PC but still no picture. HDMi works (connects to PS3). Video Card maybe?

Cant access the pictures i took of the practice race.
 
Hmm, well.. I don't think looking at my map is a good idea when I'm about to pass someone :). And I would be extremely mad if someone hit me when I just made my pit-stop and was on my way out on the circuit again.

I know, this is "just a game", but it would also be good if the rules was clear and in the same time was applyed to take away the risk of an uneccesarry collision.

So with a rule that says no one can cross the pit-line at any point (unless avoiding an accident) would be 100% clear to everyone, also reduce the risk of an uneccesarry crash.

A rule that says that you can cross the pit-line when not coming from the pits is also clear to everyone, just the fact that it opens up for collisions mekes it a not so good rule in my book..

So even if that rule does'nt exist as I tought IRL-racing. We shoul concider it for the championship.

Also, the area left on the outside of the pit-line for the cars still on track is big enough for overtaking imo. I can agree that Suzuka is tight.. But it is absloteley possible to brake late on the inside of a car. I held a GT500 race at Suzuka last week, and it was tight, but doable. happened a few times. I also gave a few penaltys for crossing the pit-line in that race.

Tested today in the online practice having the map scale on 2, and it works.Its was also good i think to NOT know how far is the car behind You..(when not tailin U). Maybe more relaxed driving.Think I try to remove all the hud..Because it seems that I am in races more concirned about the other cars than my own race.
 
All of those F1 passing manouvres are dubious at best. The Australia one is a bit of a special case as the track is pretty narrow there and it's not really possible to go two-wide without one of them going at least partially into the pit lane.

I'm going to assume from here that we're talking about cutting into the early part of the pit exit lane, like shown in those videos above. As Andil pointed out, the lane is quite long and that part of the track closer to the corner is part of a legitimate line. I've got no problem with people cutting into the later part of the pit lane, at that point it's obvious if the path is clear.

I don't think we need to say that you can't. If you want to drive like that, go for it. But don't expect any sympathy if something goes wrong. If you crash into someone coming out of the pit lane, I'd say that you should have the highest penalties we can think of applied to you. If you hit someone in the pit exit, it's not like on the actual track where there's almost always two sides to the story. It's your fault. They had no warning and nowhere to go. End of story.

That's what worries me about it. It's a spectacularly aggressive move that shouldn't be a part of your normal driving routine on most tracks. It's somewhat track dependent, but as we're mostly on real world race tracks usually the pit exit is mostly out of the way. It should be a rare situation where it's even warranted as a rational racing move, apart from the risk to others. I don't like that people are talking about this like it's something they'd use all the time.
 
has anyone broken in a NSX yet.....I've run 700+ miles and I'm still only getting 504hp after an oil change

I keep seeing these higher hps on other cars and i think mine is killing my time in the uphill sections in sector 2. I'm stuck at 1.58.000 on a clean lap!
 
has anyone broken in a NSX yet.....I've run 700+ miles and I'm still only getting 504hp after an oil change

I keep seeing these higher hps on other cars and i think mine is killing my time in the uphill sections in sector 2. I'm stuck at 1.58.000 on a clean lap!

Can't rememer exactly, but I guess the NSX should reach close to the 520 mark..
 
My NSX is at 504hp too, and I've deffo put a lot of miles on it. I think that's as good as it gets...
 
Hey Masi, I think I'll switch to GT500 for the next pre-season races and stick with it for the official season.

Here is my official qualifying lap submission.

PSN: Vagabone
Location: Romania
Car: Calsonic GT-R
Class: GT500
Lap Time: 1'56.983





Anyone knows what is the max hp for the Calsonic GT-R after a complete engine break-in and oil change? Mine is currently at 518 and I've done only a few races with it.


Nice lap 👍

My Calsonic has been at 518 hp for some time now, so I think that is the fully run-in power.
 
My NSX is at 504hp too, and I've deffo put a lot of miles on it. I think that's as good as it gets...


bummer, i know i'm quick and tidy in the corners...so my guess was the hp was losing me time on the straights

i've been thinking about running the Lexus or the Subarubut I don't want to give up on the NSX cause its a joy to drive. i dont know if i can tweak another full second out of the suspension, LSD, and aero

you guys running 1:56s are ridiculously quick
 
bummer, i know i'm quick and tidy in the corners...so my guess was the hp was losing me time on the straights

i've been thinking about running the Lexus or the Subarubut I don't want to give up on the NSX cause its a joy to drive. i dont know if i can tweak another full second out of the suspension, LSD, and aero

you guys running 1:56s are ridiculously quick

I've actually found the NSX to be faster than the GT-R at this track, despite being a few hp down.
 
"No DVI Signal"

Help? I keep restarting my PC but still no picture. HDMi works (connects to PS3). Video Card maybe?

Cant access the pictures i took of the practice race.

Check all the connections and the power to the monitor?
 
Just out of curiosity, what stops anyone from using SRF in their qualifying laps currently? Does it even show up?
 
I would just like to state (because of all the talking about HP this and HP that), that HP alone does not always say how fast a car is. For example: I used to own a BMW E46 M3 CP. and a friend of mine had an AUDI RS4 (B7), my car had an in-line 6 cylinder, NA engine producing 343 hp at 8000 rpm, and the RS4 had a V8, NA engine producing 420 hp at 8000 rpm. The 2 cars was quite even from 50-250 km/h (tested on a strip, and not breaking any laws on the freeway :)). Sure, it has a lot to do with it's weight, but it's not that easy to explain. Yes, hes car was the faster one, but not by the margin you might expect just looking at the output. (yes, I do know that the AUDI would've killed my M3 from a standing start, but standing starts is not a factor when doing flying laps)

In GT500 on the other hand, the cars are wery similar in weight, so that will not be a factor here. But, what might be a factor to concider is that the different models approved for the championship we are about to kick off, is the engines rews. As we all now by know, the NISMO Z has more tourqe than the other engines. But, it does'nt rew as high as the NSX for example. Laws of physics say : tourqe * rews = power. So, an engine with less rews but more tourqe could be as quick as an engine that rews high and has a smaller tourqe figure. But I'll be fair to say (beeing one of the Z drivers) that the NISMO Z is a very quick car, and is quicker on the straights, but not as much as the HP numbers might would show comparing to the NSX (534hp vs. 504hp).

I throw this one in as an example of the point I'm trying to get to.
In the late 90´s, an F1 engine produced around 850-900 hp from a v12 with the tiny volume of 3 liters. It rews up to 18-19000 rpm, but the amount of tourqe produced is around 300-350 Nm (around the same number as in everydaycars). This is ofcourse a great technological acheivment, but still shows what point I'm trying to make. And many people think that you need a lot of tourge to pull heavy loads, no you don't. The only thing that keeps the F1 engine (in theory) from being able to pull 36000 kg is the finalgear*, alowing it to stay in the higher rpm's where the power is produced in larger scale. A truck with a lot of tourqe in low rpm's make the engine to produce the power required at those low rpm's to pull the same weight. Offcourse this is an theoretic comparison. But just trying to make a point. You would ofcourse want the reliability of a low rpm'ed, high tourqe machine to pull heavy loads rather than have to change every part in the engine after every pull.. Again, my example is in theory. 👍

Then, what should we look at trying to decide why the NISMO Z is quicker? Well, unfortenutly those numbers are not to our disposal, since it might come down to details such as Cw values, weight distribution, unsprung weight (unsprung weight is a huge factor) and so on.

I'd say that all cars are fairly equal, and that the small differences between the cars in this championship will not be a factor in the end. Drivingskills (or tuningskills for that matter) will.

I don't know much about the Lexus. I had the GT-R, SUPRA, NSX and Z in mind. Cause those cars are the one that we will use as it looks.. Saw something about a Lexus earlier in the thread, but he's so insainly qick anyway :)

well, just wanted to get this of my chest since I'm at work infront of my computer without anything else to do actually :)

Also, I know my english is not the best, especially when trying to write about a complex subject. But I hope you guys will understand. If there is something you wonder about, just post. Thank you 👍

EDIT: I don't think "finalgear*" is the correct word. In sweedish, I wanted to say "utväxling", just in case any swede (or scandinavian for that matter) will read this and try to help out. :)
 
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Nice write up chorda. To be honest, if you ask me, ill have the Z banned. It's fast, and when its get in the hands of a good driver, he'll leave everyone in the dust.
...or at least all the above average drivers. Especially with a wide, aero track like Nurburgring GP/F. I say ban it so it can be a much closer competition for everyone (GT500).

Pix from today...
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I'd say that all cars are fairly equal,

The Z however is more equal than the others. :D

I haven't banned them in my league because we're already 2 races in and it wouldn't be fair to those who sticked with them til now, I will definitely deem them unlawful next season though because power aside they're just that much easier to push to the limits..
 
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Nice write up chorda. To be honest, if you ask me, ill have the Z banned. It's fast, and when its get in the hands of a good driver, he'll leave everyone in the dust.
...or at least all the above average drivers. Especially with a wide, aero track like Nurburgring GP/F. I say ban it so it can be a much closer competition for everyone (GT500).

Go ahead, ban it :) I have a spare car up my sleave :)
But my point was that the driver skill is far more apart in this league than the difference between the cars.. Just saying.. And about my "spare car", no one drives it at this moment as far as I know, and yes, it's on the list for legit cars 👍

I asked a question a few pages back. Is the CLARION GT-R allowed? Can't find it in the list.. (No, it's not that car I'm going to use if the Z gets banned:)
 
It shouldn't be, due to it's awful colour scheme :P

Also, Imari, stuff you wrote on last page - agree with you. Think the area should be available to use, but huge penalties implied if you make contact with someone exiting the pit lane, as it's their right of way.
 
That's why i said if it gets in the hands of a very competent driver, the small difference will be amplified.

Clarion is in. I must've missed it when i made the list. All the premium Super GT's are allowed.

Btw, anyone know how far the Lexus SC430 reaches in HP after full break-in (plus oil change)?

It shouldn't be, due to it's awful colour scheme :P

Also, Imari, stuff you wrote on last page - agree with you. Think the area should be available to use, but huge penalties implied if you make contact with someone exiting the pit lane, as it's their right of way.

Same goes to the guy exiting the pits. He must stay inside the white line and not go across the track right away :D



I still remember seeing this live on TV :D Good stuff.

Here's another close finish... must see:
 
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It shouldn't be, due to it's awful colour scheme :P

Also, Imari, stuff you wrote on last page - agree with you. Think the area should be available to use, but huge penalties implied if you make contact with someone exiting the pit lane, as it's their right of way.

I think it looks cool... :)
 
Haay guys i won't be able to join the race tommorow my coach just signed me up for a tournament friday night. You guys might be wondering what it is?! Apart from work and gaming i also train 5 days a week for Atletics 60/100/200 meters Sprint. Anyway i will post some pics on saturday.
 
Nice lap 👍

My Calsonic has been at 518 hp for some time now, so I think that is the fully run-in power.

Thanks, though I could've achieved low 1'56 with more training, still it's very hard with a gamepad :dunce:

So Masi are you ok with the class change?
 
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