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[Denilson]

Ok, back on track...

Official Race - Circuit de la Sarthe
February 11, 2011

Mandatory Roll-Call!
Copy, Paste, and add your name!


GT500
chorda - Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
faqoldschool - Takata Dome NSX
maSonn09 - Takata Dome NSX
XsApollo - YellowHat GTR
qczhao - Takata Dome NSX
sonic-_-89b - Arta NSX
boltzz_ - Petronas 430
wilhelm198824 - Xanavi Nismo GT-R
Nycrom - Lexus Eonos SC430
BiffyClyro93 - Lexus Petronas SC430
GTP_PaggyDaggy - Lexus DENSO Dunlop Sard
Paginas - Lexus DENSO Dunlop Sard
Centura - Nissan Xanavi Nismo GT-R
OwensRacing - Nissan Xanavi Nismo Z
Vaga - Nissan Xanavi Nismo Z
C-Falcon89 - Honda Raybrig NSX
GTP_Sigma - Calsonic GT-R
NilsUrban - Xanavi Nismo GTR
johnkiller2 - Nissan Xanavi Z
GTP_monoha - Nissan Motul GTR

GT300
GTP_Masicampo - Lexus IS350
cranky123 - Autobacs Arta Garaiya
cranky456 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
KamyKaze1098 - Toyota Wedssports Celica
Moieman - RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX-7
kroxsox - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
GTP_Senninha - Autobacs Arta Garaiya
ffocus2008 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
eppe00 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
Scanny_Flick - Autobacs Arta Garaiya
donoman3000 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
I_GreyhounD_I - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
GTP_african_kat - Arta Garaiya 08
GTP_Aderrrm - APEX MR-S

 

[Centura]

This should be my final car change...

Official Race - Circuit de la Sarthe
February 11, 2011

Mandatory Roll-Call!
Copy, Paste, and add your name!


GT500
chorda - Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
faqoldschool - Takata Dome NSX
maSonn09 - Takata Dome NSX
XsApollo - YellowHat GTR
qczhao - Takata Dome NSX
sonic-_-89b - Arta NSX
boltzz_ - Petronas 430
wilhelm198824 - Xanavi Nismo GT-R
Nycrom - Lexus Eonos SC430
BiffyClyro93 - Lexus Petronas SC430
GTP_PaggyDaggy - Lexus DENSO Dunlop Sard
Paginas - Lexus DENSO Dunlop Sard
Centura - Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
OwensRacing - Nissan Xanavi Nismo Z
Vaga - Nissan Xanavi Nismo Z
C-Falcon89 - Honda Raybrig NSX
GTP_Sigma - Calsonic GT-R
NilsUrban - Xanavi Nismo GTR
johnkiller2 - Nissan Xanavi Z
GTP_monoha - Nissan Motul GTR

GT300
GTP_Masicampo - Lexus IS350
cranky123 - Autobacs Arta Garaiya
cranky456 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
KamyKaze1098 - Toyota Wedssports Celica
Moieman - RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX-7
kroxsox - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
GTP_Senninha - Autobacs Arta Garaiya
ffocus2008 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
eppe00 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
Scanny_Flick - Autobacs Arta Garaiya
donoman3000 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
I_GreyhounD_I - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
GTP_african_kat - Arta Garaiya 08
GTP_Aderrrm - APEX MR-S

 

[ultrap13]

I ran in today's GT300 race (PSN Shrugging_Atlas / Wedssport Celica), watched the replay and would like to share some observations from the race.

The start procedure worked out great, everyone followed the instructions! I was having a lot of fun for the first 4 laps. Close but fair racing.

Then on lap 5 in the 2nd corner I got hit hard from behind by GTP_african_cat and got right rear damage. My steering wheel went about 30 degree off center (which seems like a bug in GT5...last time I checked REAR END DAMAGE has little or no effect on steering wheel being off-center). In the replay I saw that GTP_african_cat got front end damage from the impact but for some reason he was able to maintain pace. I wasn't..quickly sank down the order. I lost too much time and wasn't able to make it all back after the pitstop. Overall I can't say I had a good race because of this.

Below is an image of the incident about 0.5 sec after contact. Nasty rear end bump entering a corner, almost spun me around. OUCH! What was he thinking?!?

RAM!

 

[Denilson]

I ran in today's GT300 race (PSN Shrugging_Atlas / Wedssport Celica), watched the replay and would like to share some observations from the race.

The start procedure worked out great, everyone followed the instructions! I was having a lot of fun for the first 4 laps. Close but fair racing.

Then on lap 5 in the 2nd corner I got hit hard from behind by GTP_african_cat and got right rear damage. My steering wheel went about 30 degree off center (which seems like a bug in GT5...last time I checked REAR END DAMAGE has little or no effect on steering wheel being off-center). In the replay I saw that GTP_african_cat got front end damage from the impact but for some reason he was able to maintain pace. I wasn't..quickly sank down the order. I lost too much time and wasn't able to make it all back after the pitstop. Overall I can't say I had a good race because of this.

Below is an image of the incident about 0.5 sec after contact. Nasty rear end bump entering a corner, almost spun me around. OUCH! What was he thinking?!?

RAM!

I understand your concern.. It's always sad when incidents like that one occurs..

But if you have any issues or situations you want to report. Do it thru PM to your host. Be sure to put down what happened, and on which lap and which turn. He will then have a look at it, and decide if a penalty is going to be hended out. 👍

 

[Scanny_Flick]

Quite a quiet race for me in GT300

Ran in a big pack of 6 (4th - 9th) for the first 9 laps, some good clean racing out there guys!

Then at the beginning of lap 10? I was hit hard at the back going into turn 1 by African Kat, on the replay it looks like he just missed his braking in the draft, he comes from a long way back! Ran the next few laps with damage and lost a chunk of time so had to switch to 2 stops. Ran consistent times for the rest of the race but didnt have a lot going on around me.

As a few people have said already its still pre-season so im not gonna grumble about the contact, just hope everyone gets it sorted when we start for real. Dont know how African Kat maintained the pace he did after what appears to have been two hard front end impacts for him, top marks!

 

[Paginas1]

Chroda - great photos mate looks like you spent abit of time doling that well done.

the reason i had damage as you can see by the photo lol. When johnkiller got SMASHED UP lol, i saw his car on the inside i tried to pull out wide slightly and i "Think" i bumped into nycrom leading to damage on front right and maybe nycrom having damage on the left and side.
it was such a handful on the 1st racing lap i had to pit. i came out of the pits thinkin if i pushed very hard i could get into johnkillers slipstream but i went off road a few times lol

looked like good fun at the front though wish i was there

 

[CaptainFalcon89]

Masi, Have you seen my PM regarding the GT500 race about my two incidents and penalties given?

 

[RamoSapiens]

I have a few questions about driving with a damaged car.

1.Are You allowed to defend Your position with a damaged car
against a car from same class? (GT300 vs Gt300 or 500 vs 500)

2.Are You allowed to defend Your position in a damaged GT500
car, if a GT300 car is trying to overtake in a mixed class race?

Those two scenarios have happened to me in these races when
I have been the chasing car.

 

[nycrom1971]

Yep great photos Chorda! After the first corner..Willhelm totally wrong the break point......damm.. In the next corner me and Paginas in full race confusion bumped our cars..onestly an usual race incident..but after that our cars was damage...really I hadn't saw him to my left.. I'm sorry.
Anyway I try to follow Paginas but after 10 laps my tires was anytime destroy... but was be a good test for me..and finished the rece was be a good goal for me.

 

[Andil]

I have a few questions about driving with a damaged car.

1.Are You allowed to defend Your position with a damaged car
against a car from same class? (GT300 vs Gt300 or 500 vs 500)

2.Are You allowed to defend Your position in a damaged GT500
car, if a GT300 car is trying to overtake in a mixed class race?

Those two scenarios have happened to me in these races when
I have been the chasing car.

For:

1. I think yes - so long as it is driveable, it should be fine. You might drive 10 laps on broken suspension if you can manage it - if it's so hard to control that you're going to risk contact, however, then you should let the other guy by.

2. I don't think so - you aren't racing each other, and likelihood is that one of you will be pitting at the end of the lap, and the other one won't - so you're defending fresh air basically - don't bother.

 

[Sail IC]

Wilhelm,

I criticized your move in the start quite a bit, so I just want to say this.

**** happens. We all done stupid mistakes, at least I know I have. We live and we learn by them. You are a great racer, and I' looking forward to race with you in the upcoming championship. No hard feelings.

 

[MaccGyver]

Great write up chorda,nice photos:tup:

I will say when i caught up with Owensracing i was not too hot, i was leading and i was getting caught by you, i lost a shed load of time there and actually went off track trying not to hit him.

Anyway bring on the next race 👍

Just hope nobody gets damaged early on in the lap around La Sarthe because it will be a long drive back and race over for sure.

 

[Sail IC]

Lexus SC430 mini test report.

Too bad that I was only using the Lexus SC430 at yesterdays race as we only have yesterdays and next week pre-race to determin if we should allow this car with a 2nd stage turbo for the real championship.

I found myself very consistant in lap times at Indy road. Testing up to the race, I managed very similar lap times with the GTR and Lexus. I couldn't read an advantage to any of the two, and decided for the Lexus in the race because I wanted to test it more.

Top speed.
Indy is a very good track to measure top speed driven by HP/aero. The Lexus had 1 km/h faster top speed at the end of the long straight. Given that that the Lexus has more hp, the GTR must have better aerodynamics. The NSX is even faster despite lowest hp, so the aero of the NSX is clearly superior to the other two. Passing over the 'brick yard', GTR=269 km/h, Lexus=270 km/h, NSX=272km/h, observed in race replay with no slipstream.

Handling.
The Lexus is quite sluggish to start with and it needs to be tuned more aggressive than the GTR. When finally tuned, its not much difference. But for me, the GTR handles just a little better than the Lexus. Cannot comment on the NSX as I don't know how to tune and drive it.

Acceleration.
Again, very similar between the GTR and Lexus, but this time the Lexus has a slight edge. This is probably because of the higher torque rather than HP of the Lexus. Previously I noticed that the NSX has better pull than the GTR, and I think the NSX is still the best accelerating car now when the 'Z' is gone, but again only by a little. This is aerea where the 'Z' was outstanding and why it was too good of a car.

Too bad I was the only one using the Lexus in the race. Anybody else have any experience to share regarding the Lexus.

 

[Piket]

Good race boys! Unlucky for me but 🤬 happens. Congratulations to chorda for the win and to everybody who finished the race!

 

[Denilson]

Great write up chorda,nice photos:tup:

I will say when i caught up with Owensracing i was not too hot, i was leading and i was getting caught by you, i lost a shed load of time there and actually went off track trying not to hit him.

Anyway bring on the next race 👍

Just hope nobody gets damaged early on in the lap around La Sarthe because it will be a long drive back and race over for sure.

Yes, sorry about that.. But I was thinking before the situation where you lost it.. Because OwensRacing did a mistake exiting the last S bend, that's where you got hot, trying to overtake, which made you end up on hes outside in that last tricky righthander... And by then you really tried to avoid him. Or did I get the situation totally wrong? Maybee Sorry for the confusion dough 👍

 

[nycrom1971]

Lexus SC430 mini test report.

Too bad that I was only using the Lexus SC430 at yesterdays race as we only have yesterdays and next week pre-race to determin if we should allow this car with a 2nd stage turbo for the real championship.

I found myself very consistant in lap times at Indy road. Testing up to the race, I managed very similar lap times with the GTR and Lexus. I couldn't read an advantage to any of the two, and decided for the Lexus in the race because I wanted to test it more.

Top speed.
Indy is a very good track to measure top speed driven by HP/aero. The Lexus had 1 km/h faster top speed at the end of the long straight. Given that that the Lexus has more hp, the GTR must have better aerodynamics. The NSX is even faster despite lowest hp, so the aero of the NSX is clearly superior to the other two. Passing over the 'brick yard', GTR=269 km/h, Lexus=270 km/h, NSX=272km/h, observed in race replay with no slipstream.

Handling.
The Lexus is quite sluggish to start with and it needs to be tuned more aggressive than the GTR. When finally tuned, its not much difference. But for me, the GTR handles just a little better than the Lexus. Cannot comment on the NSX as I don't know how to tune and drive it.

Acceleration.
Again, very similar between the GTR and Lexus, but this time the Lexus has a slight edge. This is probably because of the higher torque rather than HP of the Lexus. Previously I noticed that the NSX has better pull than the GTR, and I think the NSX is still the best accelerating car now when the 'Z' is gone, but again only by a little. This is aerea where the 'Z' was outstanding and why it was too good of a car.

Too bad I was the only one using the Lexus in the race. Anybody else have any experience to share regarding the Lexus.

Very interesting report!
Can I ask u which kind of tuning u used for th Lexus Sc430?
Thanks mate.

 

[KamyKaze1098]

I'm sad i missed the race yesterday. But i was in no shape to drive.
Anyone interested in a little practice today at La Sarthe?? I can open a room of you want.

 

[Andil]

Small report from my side of things in GT300 race, plus some pics

Rolling Start - Really easy, well handled by everyone 👍

Past the line

First corner

Senninha and I quickly broke from the pack, with Eppe in hot pursuit - side by side for a lot of the time, like this.

It took 13 laps of bumper to bumper and side by side racing for one of us to crack.

First half of the race was really awesome. Got a good start, tried to take advantage of the slipstream down to the first corner, but couldn't quite brake late enough to manage a pass for the lead - in the end it didn't matter, because myself and Senninha ended up swapping positions for the first 13 laps of the race. Our laptimes were about 2 seconds off ultimate pace, because neither of us ever had the optimal racing line due to battling for position - surprisingly then we were still able to break free of the pack while contesting the lead. In 13 laps of racing we only made contact once, with the very difficult side by side braking into turn one. There was no way I'd be able to break the tow, so I was happy just to sit in the slipstream, with Senninha I think doing the same, and see what happened - On lap 13, Senninha braked slightly too late into turn one, but it was enough to give me a 2.5 second gap. That broke the tow, meaning I knew I had to push as hard to try and build a gap before the stops.

Come lap 18 I had pushed flat out for 5 laps, and built up a 4.5 second lead which although not comfortable, would mean I could control the pace of the race a little better. Wished the close battle could have continued till the end, but Senninha had a problem into the final corner on Lap 18 when we were both due to pit, which extended my lead to about 18 seconds, now over Eppe00 in 2nd.

From there, my race was quite lonely with a big gap back to 2nd - only excitement came in the closing laps when it came to lapping some of the guys at the back. Passed one, but then backed off a bit before I caught the other two (focus and gtgta I think), rather than risk anything before the end of the race. Managed a quickest lap of 1:34.411, on my own, which I was happy with - only went a tenth quicker in practice with a much better single lap setup.

Difficult to say what happened for others in the race as I was focused only on the battle at the front, rather than being in a scrap of 3-4 cars as seems was the case in GT500 - but safe to say I really enjoyed it, can't wait for the next race 👍

 

[competizione]

good report andil we have some exiting battles

btw have a practice room up just add me on psn GTP_Senninha

 

[guillermo968]

Wilhelm,

I criticized your move in the start quite a bit, so I just want to say this.

**** happens. We all done stupid mistakes, at least I know I have. We live and we learn by them. You are a great racer, and I' looking forward to race with you in the upcoming championship. No hard feelings.

And i critized myself for that. I was either going to wreck nycrom and myself or I would simple wreck myself by hitting the tire wall in turn one; missed the wall and cut the corner because I didn't wanted to crash into anyone and was able to slow down more that I expected and well... I'd like to think I didn't damaged your car too much.

Anyway I don´t get into a race to crash anyone. Thats not what I do.

So if I caused more problems for that stupid move so early in the race I apologize, and take the blame.

 

[OwensRacing]

HELP NEEDED:

Anyone with NSX experience wanna help me find the set up for the Takata car. I really want to race it, however I need to get much closer on a set up. . . the push in and loose out set up I had on the race was terrible to drive. I was on the wheel waaay more then anyone needs to be. Like I raced to races hahaha

Greatly Appreciate anyone's help. I am willing to gift a car and 5 paint chips in repayment for the help.


I have a lot of cars......most of the big dollar or rare items too.

 

[OwensRacing]

And i critized myself for that. I was either going to wreck nycrom and myself or I would simple wreck myself by hitting the tire wall in turn one; missed the wall and cut the corner because I didn't wanted to crash into anyone and was able to slow down more that I expected and well... I'd like to think I didn't damaged your car too much.

Anyway I don´t get into a race to crash anyone. Thats not what I do.

So if I caused more problems for that stupid move so early in the race I apologize, and take the blame.

Took me three races to shake the first turn bug. First two was me coming in hot on a draft with cold tires....total rookie mistakes....however I seen this coming in time to get off track and not wreck others...thank goodness. Third one I was victim of the dreaded pile up. This one(Indy) I watched my mirror PRAYING that I did not get reareded or maimed in some way. hahahahaha

 

[guillermo968]

I think this one has been the biggest mistake, the first time where I actualy hit someone else. I try to be patient specially when we have long laces.
But I misjudged my braking point and the rest is history.

 

[African Kat]

I ran in today's GT300 race (PSN Shrugging_Atlas / Wedssport Celica), watched the replay and would like to share some observations from the race.

The start procedure worked out great, everyone followed the instructions! I was having a lot of fun for the first 4 laps. Close but fair racing.

Then on lap 5 in the 2nd corner I got hit hard from behind by GTP_african_cat and got right rear damage. My steering wheel went about 30 degree off center (which seems like a bug in GT5...last time I checked REAR END DAMAGE has little or no effect on steering wheel being off-center). In the replay I saw that GTP_african_cat got front end damage from the impact but for some reason he was able to maintain pace. I wasn't..quickly sank down the order. I lost too much time and wasn't able to make it all back after the pitstop. Overall I can't say I had a good race because of this.

Below is an image of the incident about 0.5 sec after contact. Nasty rear end bump entering a corner, almost spun me around. OUCH! What was he thinking?!?

RAM!

I have a record of clean racing and have raced cleanly in previous races here.

I definetly wont ram someone intentionally. I will look at the replay and reply later, however from what i remember happening u were extremely aggresive when overtake and were making alot of contact with me - so much so , that i backed off so u could pass.

i do remember a solid bump and small bumps made but it was more from your car movement (using a controller?) or u braking too early.

I did bump Scanny Flick when i missed a braking point as he said and that WAS COMPLETELY MY ERROR.

I apologize Scanny.👍

I think recently we've been getting new guys that are not as precise and it has been untidy

EDIT: I have looked at the replay concerning the incident above and can confirm that it was as i remember - @Shrugging Atlas turned into me - i held my line. Stewards can look at the replay - lap 5 - and confirm.
I believe that even the pic provided by @Atlas proves he was turning in much to early for that bend.

 

[Andil]

Yeah, agree with you African Kat - looks the same from my replay. That corner is a difficult place to pass, but there is no reason to be turning in (I guess trying to cover off the corner?) that early. Also had some trouble lapping Shrugging_Atlas. Expected him to move over at some point but never did, seemed he expected me to make a full pass - even tried to outbrake me into Turn 1 after I came past him on the straight. Wasn't really a big deal for me since I was aware of what was happening but worth a mention for the future.

 

[Paginas1]

I have mixed feelings about heavy damage and the benefit of it.. Its not the first time I've been hit on the first lap. Personally I think a weaker set on the damage and a penalty system would make for better racing.

i agree, my race/johnkiller/nycrom was ruined from the 1st corner.

me and nycrom only had a little tap and still got damage!!! it doesnt really make sense....

i think damage should be set to light and we should give penalties out if someone is ramming bumping too hard etc. the light damage will tell whos at fault and if it does happen a penalty will be given out.

Its unfair for the vitcim in the crash as pitstops take 35 secs +

what do other people think about this?

 

[lukecranky]

some great pics up on here wish my internet was more stable yesterday dont know what happened. Fingers crossed for next week. I think damage is a good thing adds more pressure but there needs to be a penalty system if someone well and truly takes you out. which i believed to of happened in the gt500 yesterday.

 

[RamoSapiens]

i agree, my race/johnkiller/nycrom was ruined from the 1st corner.

me and nycrom only had a little tap and still got damage!!! it doesnt really make sense....

i think damage should be set to light and we should give penalties out if someone is ramming bumping too hard etc. the light damage will tell whos at fault and if it does happen a penalty will be given out.

Its unfair for the vitcim in the crash as pitstops take 35 secs +

what do other people think about this?

👍 We try it in the Nordic Championships. 15 seconds penalty for bumping someone off the track, 5 secs for blocking overtake.
Eveyone´s save the replay, watches, writes down the time of
the incident, PM`s me within 2 hours of the race end.

 

[nycrom1971]

i agree, my race/johnkiller/nycrom was ruined from the 1st corner.

me and nycrom only had a little tap and still got damage!!! it doesnt really make sense....

i think damage should be set to light and we should give penalties out if someone is ramming bumping too hard etc. the light damage will tell whos at fault and if it does happen a penalty will be given out.

Its unfair for the vitcim in the crash as pitstops take 35 secs +

what do other people think about this?

I agree totally, our tap was really light but the result was been catastrophic for our race..

 

[Andil]

Giving out penalties for every bump isn't what I'd want to see - I'd expect to see the result when people cross the line be the same as the official result, unless someone had really done something bad enough to warrant a DSQ or 25 second penalty - it's not going to be fun if we spend a day or two after the race to work out the "actual" result after penalties. When we've used Light damage, the racing hasn't been anything like as clean - people know they can risk a move, knowing that if it doesn't work out, worst comes to worst they'll only have damage for 3 or 4 corners before it works out. With heavy damage, it forces you into making good overtaking moves, promoting clean driving. Damage to one car generally means damage to another, and none of us want to take ourselves out of the race - Wilhelm in this example destroyed his own race too.

If someone outbrakes themselves into the first corner, even on light damage you'll still find yourself at the back of the pack, it happens in real life and it's going to happen here every now and again - that one person was just unlucky to be the victim this time around.

I don't think we should change back to light damage just because one person got taken out of the race by a mistake - we're only human after all, mistakes happen - in the GT300 race, our start was perfect, no contact, no complaints about the damage system. So.