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Anyway Back to the upcoming La Sarthe race.
I can't wait for this one, there are going to be alot of pitstops.
So we might not know the outcome of the race till everybody has completed all there stops.

I have been doing big runs just to see what happens to tyres and fuel.
And I figured there a couple of different strategies that can be used for a 20 lapper.

Also.
24 laps will use 2 tanks of fuel or very very close to it.
So i think that can open up alot of different strategies people could use and make it more exciting.
So if u can get a nice slipstream for a few laps you can save fuel and tyres and possibly cut a pitstop out for yourself.

So..
Would anybody be against doing 24Laps for the race?
Just to make it more diverse in what people are doing.
 
Official Race - Circuit de la Sarthe
February 11, 2011

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GT500
chorda - Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
faqoldschool - Takata Dome NSX
maSonn09 - Castrol Toms Supra
XsApollo - YellowHat GTR
qczhao - Takata Dome NSX
sonic-_-89b - Arta NSX
boltzz_ - Petronas 430
wilhelm198824 - Xanavi Nismo GT-R
Nycrom - Lexus Eonos SC430
BiffyClyro93 - Lexus Petronas SC430
GTP_PaggyDaggy - Lexus DENSO Dunlop Sard
Paginas - Lexus DENSO Dunlop Sard
Centura - Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
OwensRacing - Nissan Xanavi Nismo Z
Vaga - Nissan Xanavi Nismo Z
C-Falcon89 - Honda Raybrig NSX
GTP_Sigma - Calsonic GT-R
NilsUrban - Xanavi Nismo GTR
johnkiller2 - Nissan Xanavi Z
GTP_monoha - Nissan Motul GTR

GT300
GTP_Masicampo - Lexus IS350
cranky123 - Autobacs Arta Garaiya
cranky456 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
KamyKaze1098 - Toyota Wedssports Celica
Moieman - RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX-7
kroxsox - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
GTP_Senninha - Autobacs Arta Garaiya
ffocus2008 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
eppe00 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
Scanny_Flick - Autobacs Arta Garaiya
donoman3000 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
I_GreyhounD_I - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
GTP_african_kat - Arta Garaiya 08
GTP_Aderrrm - APEX MR-S
Shrugging_Atlas - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7

Car change after the Indy race, found this to be a well balanced car.
 
CaptainFalcon89
First point yes granted but hindsight is terrible thing sometimes. I was trying to avoid contact and had no idea that Sigma was there at the time.

Second point though the start procedure still needs clearing up though so drivers can't look for a get out clause in the rules, as I felt there was in this case, I didn't believe you had to be within one car length behind at the start which is where I was close to Sonic came from, as I thought it didn't apply.

I was mainly upset because that was my best performance in a pre season race even though it was unofficial and felt robbed of 2nd, but I can only blame myself to be in that situation to be honest.
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Totally agree. To be penalized for rules a driver didn't know of is not good. Appart from no overtaking before start, we haven't really defined the rules at the start. What I wrote is just a proposal and how they would apply to the race we had Friday.

The start is high risk for collisions and I think we should have rules that try to minimize it. Again, remember that I wrote the proposed rules after the race. But I think we don't want to have too opportunistic driving at the start as it increases the risk for collisions. That's why its important that the cars maintain even speed, distances, and stay in two straight lines until passing the starting line.

The passing incident is pretty clear cut though. It's not wreckless driving by any means, but a mistake is done which resulted in a collision which had a clear impact on race result.

When being in the breaking zone, its really too late to correct a too high entry speed or collision course. If wrong, we're all just passengers at this point. Thats why most of not all responsibility has to be on the overtaking driver coming from behind.

It's very bad that we have these discussions so late in the preseason. I'm against having the "strong damage" setting. To have any chance to make it work, I'm of the opinion that we need a penalty system that is easy to understand, have predictable outcome, and will give a significant penalty for the driver who did a non-intentinal mistake which had a significant impact on race result. Then people we drive more carefull, plan overtaking moves more conservative, which all will lead to less collisions and better racing.

Just my opinons
 
Sail IC
It's very bad that we have these discussions so late in the preseason. I'm against having the "strong damage" setting. To have any chance to make it work, I'm of the opinion that we need a penalty system that is easy to understand, have predictable outcome, and will give a significant penalty for the driver who did a non-intentinal mistake which had a significant impact on race result. Then people we drive more carefull, plan overtaking moves more conservative, which all will lead to less collisions and better racing.

Just my opinons
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I agree in the race we had on thursday (NORDIC) damage is not set to high, but i saw great overtaking moves, i like the rubing and little knocks in these gt cars but with heavy damage im scared to even rub up against someone. me and nycrom had a tiny knock while trying to move around johnkiller and it ended up to be damage i found that very annoying.
If damage wasnt set to heavy the knock would of been nothing and we could of carried on racing with the others, but for 1 persons mistake it effected 3 other drivers
 
Chorda,

Thanks for taking the time to create those great pictures. It made this discussion so much clearer and all can see the issues.

If I will continue to be one of the stewards when the season start. I will wait until all potential racing incidents been reported (through PM). Look through the replay maximum 2 times and then make my call on the incidents.
 
Paginas1
I agree in the race we had on thursday (NORDIC) damage is not set to high, but i saw great overtaking moves, i like the rubing and little knocks in these gt cars but with heavy damage im scared to even rub up against someone. me and nycrom had a tiny knock while trying to move around johnkiller and it ended up to be damage i found that very annoying.
If damage wasnt set to heavy the knock would of been nothing and we could of carried on racing with the others, but for 1 persons mistake it effected 3 other drivers
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When I looked through the replay, I was also very surprised that the tiny touch between you two resulted in damage on both cars. It was also hard to clearly call who was at fault.
 
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GT500
chorda - Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
faqoldschool - Takata Dome NSX
maSonn09 - Castrol Toms Supra
XsApollo - YellowHat GTR
qczhao - Takata Dome NSX
sonic-_-89b - Arta NSX
boltzz_ - Petronas 430
wilhelm198824 - Xanavi Nismo GT-R
Nycrom - Lexus Eonos SC430
BiffyClyro93 - Lexus Petronas SC430
GTP_PaggyDaggy - Lexus DENSO Dunlop Sard
Paginas - Lexus DENSO Dunlop Sard
Centura - Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
OwensRacing - Nissan Xanavi Nismo Z
Vaga - Nissan Xanavi Nismo Z
C-Falcon89 - Honda Raybrig NSX
GTP_Sigma - Calsonic GT-R
NilsUrban - Xanavi Nismo GTR
johnkiller2 - Nissan Xanavi Z
GTP_monoha - Nissan Motul GTR

GT300
GTP_Masicampo - Lexus IS350
cranky123 - Autobacs Arta Garaiya
cranky456 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
KamyKaze1098 - Toyota Wedssports Celica
Moieman - RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX-7
kroxsox - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
GTP_Senninha - Autobacs Arta Garaiya
ffocus2008 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
eppe00 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
Scanny_Flick - Autobacs Arta Garaiya
donoman3000 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
I_GreyhounD_I - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
GTP_african_kat - Arta Garaiya 08
GTP_Aderrrm - APEX MR-S
Shrugging_Atlas - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
Neomone - Toyota Wedssports Celica

Car change after the Indy race, found this to be a well balanced car.
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My message is too short.
 
Sail IC
When I looked through the replay, I was also very surprised that the tiny touch between you two resulted in damage on both cars. It was also hard to clearly call who was at fault.
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i havnt looked at the replay but i would say from memory i turned into nycrom (didnt see him) as you was infront of me and i was trying to aviod you. What i should of done is just lifted off and waiting for you to get moving....

Also somewhere i read we need to have 2/3 gap car length on rolling starts i agree it might even stop people going mad into the 1st corner
 
CaptainFalcon89
I was the one sending the messages about the penalties I received, which I still feel that shouldn't of received because Denilson backed up the field as he knew he would be protected by the jump start rule, which in my honest opinion is a grey area and open interpretation and this is why I received the penalty not because I "jumped it", if you care to look at the start picture again Denilson is 6-7 car lengths behind the Nissan he should of started behind.

My interpretation is that if the person infront is more than a car length behind the car infront he has fallen asleep, which was the case here, which caused apollo to slow up and be passed by me, because I was maintaining my pace to the car infront. Brakes were on simply because of the fact I didn't want to ruin Sonic's or my race before the start, nothing else.

The only time I've seen someone penalised for this is when the poleman was 7 car lengths ahead of second place man before the start.

Regarding I was passed Sigma even though I had gone wide overtaking the pair of them, me going wide was a simple misjudgement, but the penalty was even though I was 3/4 ahead of Sigma, That's like saying "Oh lets go for an overtake. Oh hold on, no lets not go for it because I might get penalised even if contact was made AFTER I passed him!" That's not racing, that's just plain lunacy. We should be allowed to race freely without putting others in danger which in this case I did not. Sigma could of maintained his line, but went off the track to get me a penalty. Also If had continued my braking all 3 of us would of spun, then I would of accepted the consequences and taken the penalty, but that didn't happen!

The reason this post has come is because I would not of received these penalties for those incidents had I been racing for real.

Maccgvyer, The poleman does start on the inside, its a regulation in motorsport unless its a standing start, where its on the racing line.
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The reason (as I tryed to explain) why I'm that far behind on the last pics is that you had already passed XsApollo and was about to pass me, I felt like drivers don't read the rules and was pretty upset about the lack of respect for the rules. Loooooooooooooooooooooong before the start was about to take place, this is what it looked like. There is no way you can argue against it. This picture shows that I was not that far behind when you had already overtaken XsApollo.
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Your brakelights is lit (not in the above pic) because you were way to aggressive.. Needing to use your brakes (not just this one time I have on pic) to not run in to Sonic-_-89b. This discussion is now oxer.

Let's put some focus on the La Sarthe race, and be sure to understand all the rules and regulations. Stewards will work hard this last 2 weeks to sort out issues that we have run across during preseason. 👍
 
Who ever was to be next to me was not the entire pace lap. That person lagged behind. I actually got worried I was lined up wrong and this person was sticking back cause of me. . . .take it for what you will. I was in 5th on the grid Takata NSX.


Falcon, you RAN me over last week turn 1, lap 1. You then continue to drive aggressive. You seem to think its ok to bank off people, you did in this race on turn 1, they posted pics of the same move you did to me as well. . PLEASE ADDRESS THIS. You seem like you have skill and are fast. I know you can keep from that. Not trying to be a jerk, but stop trying to overtake on entry of turns and end of long straights. If you cant secure the pass on the straight then set person up to be passed on exit and or straight.......granted someone slides up track and opens a door on a not so FAST section then take the pass.....but the stuff I see from you is crazy and way to risky.

Respectfully,
Owens
 
I never posted any pictures.
The Monza incident I thought I was passed you at the chicane on lap 1.
I looked at the video you posted and I maintained my opinion.
I'm concentrating on La Sarthe
 
The Indy race discusion has finished now guys. Lets look forward to the next race and sort out the rules....

Official Race - Circuit de la Sarthe
February 11, 2011

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GT500
chorda - Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
faqoldschool - Takata Dome NSX
maSonn09 - Castrol Toms Supra
XsApollo - YellowHat GTR
qczhao - Takata Dome NSX
sonic-_-89b - Arta NSX
boltzz_ - Petronas 430
wilhelm198824 - Xanavi Nismo GT-R
Nycrom - Lexus Eonos SC430
BiffyClyro93 - Lexus Petronas SC430
GTP_PaggyDaggy - Lexus DENSO Dunlop Sard
Paginas - Nissan Nismo GT-R
Centura - Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
OwensRacing - Nissan Xanavi Nismo Z
Vaga - Nissan Xanavi Nismo Z
C-Falcon89 - Honda Raybrig NSX
GTP_Sigma - Calsonic GT-R
NilsUrban - Xanavi Nismo GTR
johnkiller2 - Nissan Xanavi Z
GTP_monoha - Nissan Motul GTR

GT300
GTP_Masicampo - Lexus IS350
cranky123 - Autobacs Arta Garaiya
cranky456 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
KamyKaze1098 - Toyota Wedssports Celica
Moieman - RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX-7
kroxsox - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
GTP_Senninha - Autobacs Arta Garaiya
ffocus2008 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
eppe00 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
Scanny_Flick - Autobacs Arta Garaiya
donoman3000 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
I_GreyhounD_I - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
GTP_african_kat - Arta Garaiya 08
GTP_Aderrrm - APEX MR-S
Shrugging_Atlas - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
Neomone - Toyota Wedssports Celica

Changed to GTR as i didnt like the lexsus
 
Sup dudes... we can still do a parade lap, but green flag will be be after sector 1. I'll figure out exactly where when i get back home.

btw, i hope people don't forget that the Nismo Z has already been banned.
 
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February 11, 2011

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GT500
chorda - Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
faqoldschool - Takata Dome NSX
maSonn09 - Castrol Toms Supra
XsApollo - YellowHat GTR
qczhao - Takata Dome NSX
sonic-_-89b - Arta NSX
boltzz_ - Petronas 430
wilhelm198824 - Xanavi Nismo GT-R
Nycrom - Lexus Eonos SC430
BiffyClyro93 - Lexus Petronas SC430
GTP_PaggyDaggy - Lexus DENSO Dunlop Sard
Paginas - Nissan Nismo GT-R
Centura - Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
OwensRacing - Takata NSX or Xanavi GT-R
Vaga - Nissan Xanavi Nismo Z
C-Falcon89 - Honda Raybrig NSX
GTP_Sigma - Calsonic GT-R
NilsUrban - Xanavi Nismo GTR
johnkiller2 - Nissan Xanavi Z
GTP_monoha - Nissan Motul GTR

GT300
GTP_Masicampo - Lexus IS350
cranky123 - Autobacs Arta Garaiya
cranky456 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
KamyKaze1098 - Toyota Wedssports Celica
Moieman - RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX-7
kroxsox - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
GTP_Senninha - Autobacs Arta Garaiya
ffocus2008 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
eppe00 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
Scanny_Flick - Autobacs Arta Garaiya
donoman3000 - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
I_GreyhounD_I - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
GTP_african_kat - Arta Garaiya 08
GTP_Aderrrm - APEX MR-S
Shrugging_Atlas - RE Amemiya AsparaDrink RX-7
Neomone - Toyota Wedssports Celica
 
JohnKiller2, Vagabone and OwensRacing all drove other cars than what they put up on that list.. Don't think that they have made the final choice of car for the championship yet..
 
Yes, I was refering to the mandatory roll call. On that list it says NISMO Z for all of them, but noone used that car at Indy. So my guess is that they are on tehir way to find another car. OwensRacing already changed hes car choice in that list just now. 👍
 
Btw, anyone up for a practice session with a few (12 laps?) races also?

ROOM: 1472-6399-8966-5886-8108 CLOSED

Room will be open from now 8pm GMT and for 3 hours at least. Feel free to join in! 👍
 
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/\ GT-R is looking promising, but I want to give the NSX a fair chance with a proper tune.
 
Good practice tonight, first laps in a SuperGT at Le Mans for me, RX7 feels good - maybe a few tiny setup tweaks but nothing major, handles so well especially through the final sector. Was nice to mess around a bit with a GT500 too, have only driven the Lexus SC430 before (without a turbo), the GTR I used tonight felt so much quicker.
 
Got a question, maybe stated mid thread but didn't see it on page1.

What is the time progression going to be set to?

Did a little math. 24hr x 60 min = 1440 min

we race for 1.5hrs or 90 minutes. Divide 24hr min by race min. That should give us 16. So for every real time minute 16 game time passes. This should yield a full 24 hr cycle.

Is the time progression set up like I am thinking?

What number we using here and what time are we starting in settings?




Falcon, just wanted to let you know if you see anything from me on track that needs attention, please speak up. Goes for all of those I race with.

In the end we all want clean tight racing.
 
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Alright guys, I was away for an adventure in my PC's paintprogram :) ... I now, the pictures sucks, but hope you understand what I'm trying to say. It's simply a suggestion on how we should handle the line-up prior the start since it has been up for discussion.

1. The poleposition car will take the INSIDE LANE. He must keep a steady pace at about 45 mph from the last corner leading on to the start/finish straight. (If the straight is to short, stewards will clarify before the race from what point the 45 mph-rule is valid)

2. The driver in 2nd place will take the OUTSIDE LANE. He must make sure to keep one cars breadthways between him and the poleposition car. He must also be able to see the WHOLE poleposition car in his field of view.

* Behind the 2 lead cars, the following rules apply.
3 A. You must stay behind the car leading your respective lane. You must at all times "touch" the lead (for that lane) cars central line with any part of your car.
3 B. You must att all times be able to see the WHOLE car keeping the position ahead of you. If you are keeping grid-spot 4, you must at all times see the WHOLE car that keep grid-spot 3.

This pic shows an incorrect line-up. Where the errant driver does not have the whole car ahead of him inside his field of view.
Gridpositionline-upincorrect2.jpg





This pic shows an incorrect line-up. Where the errant driver do not "touch" the lead (for that lane) cars central line with any part of his car.
Gridpositionline-upincorrect1-1.jpg





In this picture, the line-up is correct.
NOTE: The last car is not positioned exactly behind the lead (for that lane) car, but still on the lead (for that lane) cars central line.
Gridpositionline-upcorrect2-1.jpg





And this final picture is a correct line-up, and an example of an ideal line-up.
Gridpositionline-upcorrect1-1.jpg





4.When the poleposition driver approaching the startline, he is bound to start as close to the startline as possible.

5. No overtaking before the startline. (exception, see rule 6)

6. If a driver falls behind SIGNIFICANTLY or are unable to keep his position (for whatever reason), overtaking is legit.
6 A. If there is still time before the startline is reached (by the poleposition car), you must vait for a NOTABLE time before passing.
6 B. If the start is close at hand, you may pass IMMEDIATELY.

IMPORTANT: In any situation regarding rule 6. All other cars must maintain their positions in relation to eachother. Meening that if the car in grid-spot 4 (or any other) falls behind and beeing legit for overtaking before the startline, the car in grid-spot 6 (that is behind the car in grid-spot 4) can not take that cars (4th grid-spot) position. He (6th place) must att all times keep the car in grid-spot 5 within his field of view (as long as the car in grid-spot 5 does not fall behind), and also "touch" the central line of the lead (for that lane) car.
If the errant car is on, or close to the lead (for that lane) cars cental line, cars that overtakes coming from the errant cars lane, may leave the lead (for that lane) cars central line to be able to overtake the errant car.


This will help us to keep distance between eachother, structure the whole startprocedure and as a bonus making the chaos in turn 1 less risky.

Hope you guys like my suggestion.

P.S. I use the word "errant" a lot. Is that word correct, or should I replace it?
 
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