::::: World Super GT Championship - [Thread 7 Closed] :::::
- Thread starter Masi_23
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- Thousand Oaks
- GTP_Masicampo
@ Chorda - Mainly for Sim Racing in general. I got a few series' in the works. European Saloon Championship, DTM, F1, etc. That's all in the future of course, but all can be simultaneous if we can get a few dedicated admins like meself. WSGTC has been fairly successful so far, and we're only in the Preaseason. I think its safe to say that its been the most popular series here in the online section, somewhere around 4000 posts? or more? Not sure... Gotta thank everyone, specially the Stewards who has helped a lot 
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- iRev_olution
hey man no one got back to me on the race? i feel bad if i missed it. i was working all day my dudes.
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- Shrugging_Atlas
I finished 6th just behind Greyhound in the GT300 race.
1st - Neomone
2nd - KamyKaze1098
3rd - Wardez
4th - African
5th - I_Greyhound_I
6th - Shrugging_Atlas
7th ???
8th ???
9th ???
I saved the replay but my version is probably not a good one...it's showing MAJOR BUGS that should embarass Polyphony....Afrikan's car appeared to be sliding all over the place, crashing into walls, crashing into other cars, appearing stopped in the middle of the road then disappearing... In the replay from the very start I also see all of the lead cars with MAJOR ENGINE and WHEEL DAMAGE on all corners, which is obviously nonsense given the pace they were running.
In the 1st half of the race I had to slow down to avoid Afrikan's laggy Arta...didn't want to find out what would happen if I hit it. Interestingly enough I met Afrikan in the pits in the 2nd part of the race and his motion was smooth then. Everyone else I saw OK during the race. Nice battles with Greyhound in the last few laps. Pushed too hard trying to put a gap between us and spun, handing him 5th. Otherwise a pretty clean and lonely race, I believe I didn't come into any damage causing contact with anyone.
The night driving is absolute torture, even on my 47" LCD with the exposure setting on max. It's just too dark, lost tons of time and probably some hair, too
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- GTP_african_kat
The time change was epic in this race especially the morning part:tup:
well my race was bitter sweet. While fighting around the front of the pack on around the 3rd lap, aryton senna went wide and me and Kame i think managed just to overtake, then after the start finish line Aryton was close behind when 'bang' i got hit at what seemed like 400kph and slid into the wall at 500kph!
so i was liked 'somethings not right bout this accident'. car was severely damaged and i had to do a whole lap to get into the pits, i could not exceed 60kph and my steering was viabrating like i never knew it could
so i just drove on and was setting consistant lap times and ended 4th which was beautiful.
After the race i went to view the replay to see what happened with that wierd crash with Aryton.
Now in my replay Arytons car was the only laggy one moving about wildly and on my replay at impact it showed Aryton going left into the gravel then right across the track at light speed and taking me along. All this happened in an unnatural way (internet lag)
So i think - okay Aryton had an issue with his router or something and its not his fault.
now i read Atlas noting that my car was moving everywhere through lag at the beginning so im thinking was it my lag that caused this? If i was moving about wildly through lag i apologize - this is a 1st for me.
CAN OTHERS PLEASE GIVE A COMMENT IF THEY REMEMBER MY CAR LAGGING BADLY
i remember having close battles with Kame and most of the leading pack at the beggining. CAN U GUYS PLEASE COMMENT ON ANY BAD LAG YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED?:t was i lagging to any of you guys?
well my race was bitter sweet. While fighting around the front of the pack on around the 3rd lap, aryton senna went wide and me and Kame i think managed just to overtake, then after the start finish line Aryton was close behind when 'bang' i got hit at what seemed like 400kph and slid into the wall at 500kph!
so i was liked 'somethings not right bout this accident'. car was severely damaged and i had to do a whole lap to get into the pits, i could not exceed 60kph and my steering was viabrating like i never knew it could
so i just drove on and was setting consistant lap times and ended 4th which was beautiful.
After the race i went to view the replay to see what happened with that wierd crash with Aryton.
Now in my replay Arytons car was the only laggy one moving about wildly and on my replay at impact it showed Aryton going left into the gravel then right across the track at light speed and taking me along. All this happened in an unnatural way (internet lag)
So i think - okay Aryton had an issue with his router or something and its not his fault.
now i read Atlas noting that my car was moving everywhere through lag at the beginning so im thinking was it my lag that caused this? If i was moving about wildly through lag i apologize - this is a 1st for me.
CAN OTHERS PLEASE GIVE A COMMENT IF THEY REMEMBER MY CAR LAGGING BADLY
i remember having close battles with Kame and most of the leading pack at the beggining. CAN U GUYS PLEASE COMMENT ON ANY BAD LAG YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED?:t was i lagging to any of you guys?
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- awan_afuqja
Kat,
you were lagging also for me, here. I´ve seen you appearing somewhere besides the track, then disappearing and stuff like this. But as you tell for you it was not noticeable?
Anyway, had to fight against my dark half in first place, all the trouble I had whilst the race, has been caused by myself..
Seb
you were lagging also for me, here. I´ve seen you appearing somewhere besides the track, then disappearing and stuff like this. But as you tell for you it was not noticeable?
Anyway, had to fight against my dark half in first place, all the trouble I had whilst the race, has been caused by myself..
Seb
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- Adelaide
- Neomone
I remember someone lagging badly. I'll have a look at my replay and see who it was, off the top of my head I can't remember.
Edit: Checked the replay. Kat, you're in the Garaiya yes? And Ayrton was in the Subaru? Your car was a little jerky, but that crash was caused by Ayrton's lag. He disappears, comes up and smashes you in the side, comes up a bit down the road and then disappears into the sand trap at a speed far higher than is possible for that part of the course. Your car behaves as would be expected if it had been hit. Also, Ayrton had major damage to his suspension, but chose not to pit. Having wrecked suspension on three points of the car does not make for predictable driving.
Edit: Checked the replay. Kat, you're in the Garaiya yes? And Ayrton was in the Subaru? Your car was a little jerky, but that crash was caused by Ayrton's lag. He disappears, comes up and smashes you in the side, comes up a bit down the road and then disappears into the sand trap at a speed far higher than is possible for that part of the course. Your car behaves as would be expected if it had been hit. Also, Ayrton had major damage to his suspension, but chose not to pit. Having wrecked suspension on three points of the car does not make for predictable driving.
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can anyone upload a replay of gt300 
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- GTP_african_kat
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- iRev_olution
sorry for the inactivity guys. Masi_23, i would like to compete in the GT500 class as i prefer and only have a car avaliable to race, and only for that class...
its the NISSAN XANAVI NISMO GTR 2008
I saw the new thread and will make sure to recieve email notification of the thread. sign me up and im in.
im down. wont miss it.
its the NISSAN XANAVI NISMO GTR 2008
I saw the new thread and will make sure to recieve email notification of the thread. sign me up and im in.
im down. wont miss it.
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- Copenhagen, Den
- GTP_PaggyDaggy
I cannot believe that I am going to miss the first race of the season! 
I'll be sitting in a bus on my way home from Prague, while your guys are racing.
terrible... just.. terrible.
I'll be sitting in a bus on my way home from Prague, while your guys are racing.
terrible... just.. terrible.
- 640
- awan_afuqja
Just a small side-note, but what are you guys racing in the GT300 with? DS3 or preferrably a wheel? Cause I´m wondering if maybe the ABS gets deactivated for the season? I think specially at the beginning of a race the dual shockers have a bit of a shorter braking distances. When race started, I felt the brakes quite agressive with wheel and pedals. What do you experience? This also being a setup issue? Thx for replying..
Seb.
p.s. Many of you noted the online car behaviour is somewhat different when compared to offline. Since yesterday experiencing it for myself, sure it is. Car weight and behaviour with full tank, tyre performance, (cold tyres at first lap?), you name it. Not to mention the mechanical damage. Learning phase goes on for me..
Seb.
p.s. Many of you noted the online car behaviour is somewhat different when compared to offline. Since yesterday experiencing it for myself, sure it is. Car weight and behaviour with full tank, tyre performance, (cold tyres at first lap?), you name it. Not to mention the mechanical damage. Learning phase goes on for me..
- 13,865
- Adelaide
- Neomone
A replay is HERE (http://uploadmirrors.com/download/CSVW30GA/BCUS98114-RPL007.rar) for those who missed out.
A few shots of me and Kamykaze out on our Sunday drive.
Go Team WedsSport!
Team WedsSport cooperates to chase down it's rivals (they're very far away...).
A few shots of me and Kamykaze out on our Sunday drive.
Go Team WedsSport!
Team WedsSport cooperates to chase down it's rivals (they're very far away...).
- 1,019
- johnkiller2
Racing incident example
There was a race incident between johnkiller2 and paggydaddy that we want to prematurely share with all. This will hopefully generate more filings for incidents. Its important that we take learning from this race so we all know what to expect and how to act when the real championship starts.
On lap 7 (i think) paggydaddy was leading johnkiller2 into the first chicane after the start/finish straight. johnkiller misjudged his breakingpoint and there was a light touch between the cars. Both cars received light damage and continued to race for several laps.
Then what happened
- paggydaddy was understandable frustrated and and wrote a post on this thread immediately after the race
- In parallel johnkiller wrote paggy a PM apologizing for the incident.
- paggy didn't plan to file the incident, but johnkiller convinced him to do and to share it on this forum
How the stewards viewed this (not final)
- As both cars only received light damage, continued racing and didn't pit, this incident is viewed as minor. This would justify an aproximate 10 sec penalty for johnkiller
- johnkiller admitted his error immediately to the stewards who didn't have to review the incident. If johnkiller would have contested the penalty and still found guilty, the penalty would probably double to 20 sec.
- In his frustration, paggy wrote a post. Penalty situations can easily create strong emotions and must only be dealt with on a PM bases. Given that Paggy did, the incident is viewed as invalid, and johnkiller will not receive any penalty (see penalty rules and guidlines in the race post)
Thanks to Paggydaddy that he agreed to share this information on the official thread for the benefit to all of us.
There was a race incident between johnkiller2 and paggydaddy that we want to prematurely share with all. This will hopefully generate more filings for incidents. Its important that we take learning from this race so we all know what to expect and how to act when the real championship starts.
On lap 7 (i think) paggydaddy was leading johnkiller2 into the first chicane after the start/finish straight. johnkiller misjudged his breakingpoint and there was a light touch between the cars. Both cars received light damage and continued to race for several laps.
Then what happened
- paggydaddy was understandable frustrated and and wrote a post on this thread immediately after the race
- In parallel johnkiller wrote paggy a PM apologizing for the incident.
- paggy didn't plan to file the incident, but johnkiller convinced him to do and to share it on this forum
How the stewards viewed this (not final)
- As both cars only received light damage, continued racing and didn't pit, this incident is viewed as minor. This would justify an aproximate 10 sec penalty for johnkiller
- johnkiller admitted his error immediately to the stewards who didn't have to review the incident. If johnkiller would have contested the penalty and still found guilty, the penalty would probably double to 20 sec.
- In his frustration, paggy wrote a post. Penalty situations can easily create strong emotions and must only be dealt with on a PM bases. Given that Paggy did, the incident is viewed as invalid, and johnkiller will not receive any penalty (see penalty rules and guidlines in the race post)
Thanks to Paggydaddy that he agreed to share this information on the official thread for the benefit to all of us.
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- Éire
- GTF_Apollo
Why should you get a penalty for misjudging a breaking point?
Cars touch in real life all the time.
I don't think penalties should be dished out that easy.
Reckless driving consitutes penalties,don't think you were being reckless? allthough i havn't seen the incident.
Also i think the damage to your car is penalty enough to wreck your race
Cars touch in real life all the time.
I don't think penalties should be dished out that easy.
Reckless driving consitutes penalties,don't think you were being reckless? allthough i havn't seen the incident.
Also i think the damage to your car is penalty enough to wreck your race
RamoSapiens
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- GTF_Max
Why should you get a penalty for misjudging a breaking point?
Cars touch in real life all the time.
I don't think penalties should be dished out that easy.
Reckless driving consitutes penalties,don't think you were being reckless? allthough i havn't seen the incident.
Also i think the damage to your car is penalty enough to wreck your race
Remember that You also wreck Your opponents race,
that´s why there is penalties.
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- nycrom
If u wreck just your race is only your problem but if u wreck the race of another driver is totally different...and u have to take a penality. That are the Motorsport rule.
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- Stockholm
- chorda / GTP_chorda
Why should you get a penalty for misjudging a breaking point?
Cars touch in real life all the time.
I don't think penalties should be dished out that easy.
Reckless driving consitutes penalties,don't think you were being reckless? allthough i havn't seen the incident.
Also i think the damage to your car is penalty enough to wreck your race
IRL it probably would not result in a penalty, true. But when racing online, the respect for eachother is absolute highest priority.
Every driver needs to be SUPER careful when braking in to corners. This kind of situations will be the mother of 99% of the damage to cars in an on-line race. To try to minimize the damage due to late braking/missed brakingpoints is therefore essential.
This kind of incidents will be penalized in the championship.
HOWEVER: If you are involved in a situation like this and no report is PM'd to the stewards, no penaltys will be handed out. Same goes, if you and the other part in a situation like this come to a mutual agreement that it was a "race incident". But if one of the parts do not think so, and PM a steward about it, it will be judged as "aggressive driving".. As long as the stewards can't see any reason why it should not.
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- Copenhagen, Den
- GTP_PaggyDaggy
👍
Why should you get a penalty for misjudging a breaking point?
Cars touch in real life all the time.
I don't think penalties should be dished out that easy.
Reckless driving consitutes penalties,don't think you were being reckless? allthough i havn't seen the incident.
Also i think the damage to your car is penalty enough to wreck your race
It was a pretty time consuming accident for me actually as I ended out in the sand, but it is all past now. We were both lucky not to receive anymore damage than we did.
But to everybody in the GT500 race. It was great! And I liked some of the battles, especially the one against nycrom ! thanks for that.
And the start of the race!
pure Lexus power in the lead, though it didn't lasted forever. And i am sorry for b0ltzz that he got DC'ed also that we touched each other at Indianapolis so he flew right into the wall But great race everybody. And my frustrations are all gone now
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- johnkiller2
As stated, you do not only create damage on your own car but on the innocent victim. The the penalty needs to at least in the same size of the loss of time you imposed on the innocent victim. That's why the penalty varies depending on size of the damage.
If there is contact with no damage, penalty will not be given.
If there is contact with no damage, penalty will not be given.
Why should you get a penalty for misjudging a breaking point?
Cars touch in real life all the time.
I don't think penalties should be dished out that easy.
Reckless driving consitutes penalties,don't think you were being reckless? allthough i havn't seen the incident.
Also i think the damage to your car is penalty enough to wreck your race
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- nycrom
The battle with u was be really great, you are really a good and clean driver, a great experience battle on the track with u. 👍
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- Éire
- GTF_Apollo
Well you said in your post that it was a light touch.
Thats why i was questioning the penalty.
Wich means you could of been a metre too deep into the corner wich is pretty small.
Now as for your first corner (non) braking incident
I think Your racing license should be up for a review
heheBut there will be discrepencies in people getting penalty's for smaller things compared to other people doing worse things, because it all depends on if the driver on the other end reports or not.
I personally wont be reporting drivers that i know are good racers and i have had many clean races with for making a mistake wether im on the end of it or not.
Edit: Also i think in real life racing championships people learn after a while who they can have a very close race with and who they need to give a couple of extra metres to when they are gettin close to each other.
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- nycrom
MaccGyver wrote:
"But there will be discrepencies in people getting penalty's for smaller things compared to other people doing worse things, because it all depends on if the driver on the other end reports or not.
I personally wont be reporting drivers that i know are good racers and i have had many clean races with for making a mistake wether im on the end of it or not."
The only one question is that in this Championship we apply the real motorsport rule, this is great and make of this League something of very professional.
But in a real race, if u damage the car of another driver, or cut anytime chicanes, or overtake when u can't do that, immediately the stewards will give u a penalty usually a drive through..
But in Gt5 this is impossible..for now..so all will be decide after the race..for me on the track all driver are the same, I respect there and if I mistake something is right take a penality like in the real race.
"But there will be discrepencies in people getting penalty's for smaller things compared to other people doing worse things, because it all depends on if the driver on the other end reports or not.
I personally wont be reporting drivers that i know are good racers and i have had many clean races with for making a mistake wether im on the end of it or not."
The only one question is that in this Championship we apply the real motorsport rule, this is great and make of this League something of very professional.
But in a real race, if u damage the car of another driver, or cut anytime chicanes, or overtake when u can't do that, immediately the stewards will give u a penalty usually a drive through..
But in Gt5 this is impossible..for now..so all will be decide after the race..for me on the track all driver are the same, I respect there and if I mistake something is right take a penality like in the real race.
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- Éire
- GTF_Apollo
I agree about cutting chicannes, cheating, overtaking when u can't make it work or just plain reckless driving.
But drivers don't allways get a penalty if they have a crash or make a mistake and damage another car, thats just racing.
You just have to trust the other person and if you don't, give them some extra room
Also all i watch is MOTO-GP and the riders can do pretty much do what they like as regards to bashing people off the track lol.
But drivers don't allways get a penalty if they have a crash or make a mistake and damage another car, thats just racing.
You just have to trust the other person and if you don't, give them some extra room
Also all i watch is MOTO-GP and the riders can do pretty much do what they like as regards to bashing people off the track lol.
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- Indiana-USA
- OwensRacing
This is what happens when you start trying to plan pit strategies and race strategies in the middle of a the race. . .
I totally got lost on the track and missed my turn. Was like OH CRAP OH CRAP, NO WALL NO WALL. Thank goodness it was only sand.Really bad kicker, I had went in for tires no longer click racing hards it start to pour. I am in the pits getting racing hards installed why my idiot crew is getting wet. HERE IS YOU SIGN! We need some better options here. I was kinda upset so I ran the rest of the race on them slicks. Last lap was all over the place.
Only had one accident that pitted me. I ran into the right read of Faqoldschool's NSX. . .he passed me on the exit and I snuck into his draft. . knowing I had the steam I was hoping he would open the door on the right coming into the slight curve....no he was down shifting when I was close. Just no time and or place to go. We got straight come into the hard left and Faq man you come off the grass and SMASHED my car into the left wall, now int dirt it wont stop and I piled into someone that missed the turn. This basically put me out of the race and mentally into just finish race mode...not win mode.
Guys if you pass before a long straight. The car you passed most likely coming back around you with steam. Remmber this and give them room. You would want the same.
Again not blaming anyone. I could of braked.. albeit on a WOT section but I could have.
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- nycrom
I agree about cutting chicannes, cheating, overtaking when u can't make it work or just plain reckless driving.
But drivers don't allways get a penalty if they have a crash or make a mistake and damage another car, thats just racing.
You just have to trust the other person and if you don't, give them some extra room
Also all i watch is MOTO-GP and the riders can do pretty much do what they like as regards to bashing people off the track lol.
I'm totally sure that no one driver want damage another driver, and I agree there are just race damage, that can happen. But there is crash and crash, mistake and mistake.
We need to learn like real prodriver, and take penalty if we really make great mistake..not for all mistake..but that the stewards know well.
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- Stockholm
- chorda / GTP_chorda
I agree about cutting chicannes, cheating, overtaking when u can't make it work or just plain reckless driving.
But drivers don't allways get a penalty if they have a crash or make a mistake and damage another car, thats just racing.
You just have to trust the other person and if you don't, give them some extra room
Also all i watch is MOTO-GP and the riders can do pretty much do what they like as regards to bashing people off the track lol.
I totally agree..
But as you said, there will be no penaltys unless the offended driver reports it. Yes, that's the way it works. OR if incidents happens in front of a steward when watching the replay, you can count on a PM with som questions
And probably a penalty as well, even dough the incidend did not actually get reported. It's all about letting the stewards now about an incident. So if a steward detect incidents during watching replay, that incident is known without a report. Hope you understand what I'm trying to explain 👍But let me tell you, when reports starts to come in pointing out the same driver from race to race, it will be pretty simple to decide if a penalty should be handed out or not. We are working on a rep-system, with points for the cleanest racers. I think that is a great feature alongside the actual championship 👍
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