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HortusIX
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i have a question about the divisions and points system:

example: john races in division 1, jack races in division 2. both are racing in the gt500 class -

1.will both john and jack earn the same number of points for winning the races in their respective divisions (excluding bonus points)?

OR

2. is it set up so that jack - who is racing in division 2 and so is effectively in the bottom eight of the gt500 class (as adjudged by the event's qualifying session) - earns the points that would be awarded to the eight place finisher of his class in a same-class race?

if it is option 1. the championship table will look odd, as, in effect, there are two winners of the gt500 class...also, somebody who comes in 3rd-in-class in division 1 will score less points than the winner of division 2.

if it is option 2. the second division drivers are limited to how many points they can earn, meaning the division 1 drivers will have a monopoly (or septopoly?) over the bigger share of the points

i'm confused - please help!
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Points for 8th place = 1st in D2
1st in D2 also get the pole position bonus (I'm not 100% sure, but I think so)

No one get a "monopoly".. Everyone can qualify in to D1. This is the reason why we have qualifying, to decide in which division you will race.

We had this discussion before, and Masi_23 did change the number of points beeing given, to reduce the gap between divisions. But there must be a gap, since qualifying is held, and all drivers have the possibility to end up in D1.
 
Rush09
I use to own Celica in RL and I really had my mind set on racing with this car.
A shame actually, such a great event here and one rule totally spoils it for me. Chasis ridgity dose doesnt even make the car so much faster if it does at all. If it was allowed atleast it would put out any fear about cheating automaticlly and we would race under same conditions. As you say, it is the only tunning part we cant police so you have one more big reason to why allow it.
Ehh...as you want lads its your event.
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although i won't be using chassis rigidity in my Arta '03 (obviously), i agree with you here, as it reduces the possibility of those who are wanting to cheat, cheating (even if we do hope that these people do not exist in the championship in the first place)
additionally, this sort of upgrade is undetectable atm (as has already been mentioned), so it would make logical sense to allow it, if only to prevent the potential for unfair advantage over those who are playing by the rules... but i think that, with some cars having performance advantages over others, it is hoped that chassis rigidity (and turbos in other cases) will help to shore up the field and even out the competition.

my understanding is that, because this is the inaugural season of the WSGTC, the organisers are wanting to keep things simple, which is why i think the ballast penalty system idea has gone out of the window (for now) so that things go as smoothly as is possible.
 
Denilson
There is also a very good reason for not allowing it.. Because if we did, I'd have to install a non removeable tune to my car that I love to drive completely stock.. It's like the down-side for you is the up-side for me. (Up-side beeing that I don't feel that I have to install this tune to keep up)

Can't you just buy another one, or trade one?
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Sorry mate, this isnt about how you like to drive your cars. This is a racing event in wich we should be making it as equal as posiblle and this rule is not helping at all.
I can not just buy another one, I'm gonna have to be quite lucky to find it in dealership in the next few days and to trade it, dont know. Didnt try it yet, might do that.
 
Rush09
Sorry mate, this isnt about how you like to drive your cars. This is a racing event in wich we should be making it as equal as posiblle and this rule is not helping at all.
I can not buy just buy another one, I'm gonna have to be quite lucky to find it in dealership in the next few days and to trade it, dont know. Didnt try it yet, might do that.
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It's not how I like to drive my car??

Well, it's not about how you want to drive your car either.
 
Rush09
Sorry mate, this isnt about how you like to drive your cars. This is a racing event in wich we should be making it as equal as posiblle and this rule is not helping at all.
I can not just buy another one, I'm gonna have to be quite lucky to find it in dealership in the next few days and to trade it, dont know. Didnt try it yet, might do that.
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in all honesty, although the Celica is one of the nicer handling cars in the GT300 class, it is not the fastest (even with the rigidity improvement) - i have completed laps in my Celica, my MR-S and my Garaiya '03 (all using my stndard tune) around the Suzuka Circuit and it did not fare well in my hands.

I had the Lexus IS350 which is also one of the more stable cars in the field
 
Rush09
Yes true, its how I and many others would like for all cars to be driven in this event.
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I'm afraid you are the only one concidering to drop out because of this. The rest (far away from everybody) that would like to allow ridgity improvement accepts the rule as it is.

It's not like you and 99% of all drivers want ridgity to be allowed, and I don't, like you are trying to put it.
 
Denilson
I'm afraid you are the only one concidering to drop out because of this. The rest (far away from everybody) that would like to allow ridgity improvement accepts the rule as it is.

It's not like you and 99% of all drivers want ridgity to be allowed, and I don't, like you are trying to put it.
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You have to understand I had my mind set on the Celica and becouse I installed the damn part, I now need a new Celica wich is going to be hard to get in a few days. This is not the only reason by far, I just rather see it allowed as we cant police it. Just my opinion guys.
 
Rush09
You have to understand I had my mind set on the Celica and becouse I installed the damn part, I now need a new Celica wich is going to be hard to get in a few days. This is not the only reason by far, I just rather see it allowed as we cant police it. Just my opinion guys.
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i cannot use mine either mr...i was also looking forward to racing with it as it is a car i like, but why grovel...

disputes and complications like this are bound to take place in the embryonic stages of a competition so let us move on and at least try to enjoy the racing that awaits us...
 
Rush09
You have to understand I had my mind set on the Celica and becouse I installed the damn part, I now need a new Celica wich is going to be hard to get in a few days. This is not the only reason by far, I just rather see it allowed as we cant police it. Just my opinion guys.
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No problem, I understand why you want it approved. 👍
 
I've just finished reading all the posts about the post 1.06 update situation and how to keep the playing field level in the GT300 class.

Personally I don't like the 300hp/1200kg idea simply because the grid will be reduced to ARTAs and RX7s. I do like the idea of letting cars on the track in stages, as in

1. All cars off the track
2. Set HP at 325 hp, all CELICAs and MR-S's get on track
3. Set HP at 335 hp, all IMPREZAs get on track
4. Set HP at 345 hp, all RX7's get on track
5. Set HP at 355 hp, all ARTA Garaiya's get on track

Sure it will add a minute to the start procedure but I think it's worth it and allows for a greater variety of cars on the grid.

Just my 2 cents. I drive the CELICA under current rules but should the 300hp/1200kg rule be implemented I'm switching cars because I'd rather not drive a car I know is inferior.
 
ultrap13
I've just finished reading all the posts about the post 1.06 update situation and how to keep the playing field level in the GT300 class.

Personally I don't like the 300hp/1200kg idea simply because the grid will be reduced to ARTAs and RX7s. I do like the idea of letting cars on the track in stages, as in

1. All cars off the track
2. Set HP at 325 hp, all CELICAs and MR-S's get on track
3. Set HP at 335 hp, all IMPREZAs get on track
4. Set HP at 345 hp, all RX7's get on track
5. Set HP at 355 hp, all ARTA Garaiya's get on track

Sure it will add a minute to the start procedure but I think it's worth it and allows for a greater variety of cars on the grid.

Just my 2 cents. I drive the CELICA under current rules but should the 300hp/1200kg rule be implemented I'm switching cars because I'd rather not drive a car I know is inferior.
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This is something that is discussed among the stewards at the moment 👍
 
MaccGyver
Ok i have done my lap.
Thanks to Paginas and Co for taking time out to setup and watch.

About the lap i actually got a bit sweaty lol nice bit of pressure there.
Got my first flyer in just to make sure i had a time in and pushed for my second flyer.

Hope its enough for DIV 1.

Good luck:tup:
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Hi mate,
What was your qualifying time? :)
 
WSGTC Round 1. Official Suzuka Qualifying​

* = clean
* = pending
* = dirty


GT500​

D1.1: 1:57.323* - tony1311 - Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R
D1.2: 1:57.997* - GTP_Sigma - Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R
D1.3: 1:58.192* - Minion07 - Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S SC430
D1.4: 1:58.403* - XsApollo - Nissan YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R
D1.5: 1:58.633* - chorda - Nissan MOTUL AUTECH GT-R
D1.6: 1:58.787* - NilsUrban - Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R
D1.7: 1:58.827* - Paginas - Nissan YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R

D2.1: 1:58.972* - JPzer - Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R
D2.2: 1:58.988* - C-Falcon89 - Honda RAYBRING NSX
D2.3: 1:59.054* - Johnkiller2 - Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S SC430
D2.4: 1:59.236* - Nycrom - Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S SC430
D2.5: 1:59.467* - Wardez - Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R
D2.6: 2:00.028* - Centura - Nissan MOTUL AUTECH GT-R
D2.7: 2:00.275* - Vagabone - Nissan MOTUL AUTECH GT-R

Waitinglist:
1: 2:00.373* - OwensRacing - Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R
2: 2:00.885* - faqoldschool - Honda TAKATA DOME NSX
3: 2:01.288* - wilhelm1098 - Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R
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GT300​

D1.1: 2:05.437* - Moleman - RE Amemiya ASPARADRINK RX7 '06
D1.2: 2:05.612* - KamyKaze1098 - Autobacs ARTA GARAIYA '08
D1.3: 2:05.742* - GTP_Senninha - RE Amemiya ASPARADRINK RX7 '06
D1.4: 2:06.153* - GTP_afican_kat - Autobacs ARTA GARAIYA '08
D1.5: 2:06.220* - eppe00 - RE Amemiya ASPARADRINK RX7 '06
D1.6: 2:06.404* - Neomone - Toyota WEDSPORT CELICA
D1.7: 2:06.620* - GTP_Aizen_93 - Autobacs ARTA GARAIYA '08

D2.1: 2:07.471* - Bakugekiki - Autobacs ARTA GARAIYA '08
D2.2: 2:08.553* - HortusIX - Autobacs ARTA GARAIYA '03
D2.3: 2:08.649* - SteelToedSloth - RE Amemiya ASPARADRINK RX7 '06
D2.4: 2:08.678* - Shrugging_Atlas - Toyota WEDSPORT CELICA
D2.5: 2:10.036* - maximus254 - Autobacs ARTA GARAIYA '08
D2.6: 2:10.475* - GTP_Aderrrm - Toyota APEX MR-S '00
D2.7: 2:15.471* - ffocus2008 - RE Amemiya ASPARADRINK RX7 '06

Waitinglist:
1: 2:23.663* - donoman3000 - RE Amemiya ASPARADRINK RX7 '06
2: -:--.--- - Doctsuru_69 - Subaru CUSCO DUNLOP IMPREZA '08
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about the ridigty improvement i completly agree with denilson.
btw my idea for gt300 rules if you not have seen them on 5 pm gmt +1 then dont expect them to come. my simple idea is to run the cars with there nrmal weigth like irl. and then the heavist car the garayia premium needs a bigger restrictor more hp also like that irl hope you understand.
sorry for bad grammar:)
 
ultrap13
Personally I don't like the 300hp/1200kg idea simply because the grid will be reduced to ARTAs and RX7s.
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You got anything to back that up?

At the moment, the competitive cars are the ARTA, the RX7, and *maybe* the Celica.

Under 300/1200 the gap to the Subaru '08 and Lexus becomes less, especially on a tight track. At something like Monaco, they'd be as competitive as any other car. The MR-S becomes viable. The Subaru '04 becomes viable. The Celica is definitely viable. See the testing that Moleman and I have done so far.

That hardly sounds like reducing the field to me. It's hardly possible to reduce the field from what we have now, where everyone turns up in two cars except for a few ambitious people.
 
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Denilson
WSGTC Round 1. Official Suzuka Qualifying


GT500​

D1.1: 1:58.403 - XsApollo
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Please Chorda add the car model thx. ;)
 
Put me right on the waitinglist, i'm going to a concert on friday :indiff: really a shame, because now i could entry because it was moved one week forward. And then I couldn't anyway :crazy:
 
The silance before the storm :D (swedish saying:))

btw: UPnP: should I "deactivate" or "activate" this setting?
 
GT300 Regulations idea.
My idea is to make the rules as close to real life as possible and still have many competitive cars. I have tested most of the cars in the gt300 class but I don’t have the Standard Garayia or the standard RX-7. I have not tested the Lexus yet but I expect it to need some extra BHP. For the test I have used my own set ups on Suzuka. I can share them if somebody asks. I have done minimum 10 laps in each car to make sure I don’t drives a really bad lap. All the testing is done in private lobby. What do you think about it I’m are open for ideas or criticism.
Here are the lap times and specs for each car tested.

2:07.999 Toyota SUPERAUTOBACS APEX MR-S’2000 300 BHP 1125 kg pp 558

2:07.919 Re Amemiya Amemiya Asparedrink RX-7’2006 300 BHP 1100 kg pp 553

2:07.911 Autobacs Arta Garayia’2008 313 BHP 1175 kg pp555

2:07.952 Toyota Wedssport Celica’2003 300 BHP 1110 kg pp561

2.08.044 Subaru Cusco Advan Subaru Impreza’2003 300 BHP 1100 kg pp563

2:10.042 Nissan C-West Razo Silvia 310 BHP 1150 kg pp 553 this car is slow.

2:08.307 Subaru Cusco Dunlop Subaru Impreza’2008 310 BHP 1100 kg pp 563. I’m not a expert in driving AWD cars do maybe someone can drive it a lot faster if it happens we can just turn it down to 300 BHP. :)
 
When are you likey to start recruiting again. I'm interested in either class if a space becomes available
 
Denilson
The silance before the storm :D (swedish saying:))

btw: UPnP: should I "deactivate" or "activate" this setting?
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I would recommend to keep it enabled. If disabled, you may have to open and forward ports manually to your PS3 instead.
 
competizione
2:07.999 Toyota SUPERAUTOBACS APEX MR-S’2000 300 BHP 1125 kg pp 558

2:07.919 Re Amemiya Amemiya Asparedrink RX-7’2006 300 BHP 1100 kg pp 553

2:07.911 Autobacs Arta Garayia’2008 313 BHP 1175 kg pp555

2:07.952 Toyota Wedssport Celica’2003 300 BHP 1110 kg pp561

2.08.044 Subaru Cusco Advan Subaru Impreza’2003 300 BHP 1100 kg pp563
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I'm sorry, you're saying that each of these cars are within 0.1 seconds of each other over a two minute lap? A TWO minute lap. Are you absolutely sure that you couldn't get any of those cars to go any faster?
 
I have been following your discussions about setting the regulations to get the cars to be as even as possible. One thing I wondered is if you have tire wear and fuel consumption turned on during the races? I am just curious because if the slower cars used less fuel or slowed tire wear then couldn't that be the thing that might even it out for them over the coiurse of a race?
 
mcsimfan
I have been following your discussions about setting the regulations to get the cars to be as even as possible. One thing I wondered is if you have tire wear and fuel consumption turned on during the races? I am just curious because if the slower cars used less fuel or slowed tire wear then couldn't that be the thing that might even it out for them over the coiurse of a race?
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GT5 isn't that complicated. No car is so harsh on tyres or fuel as to require another pit stop.

And yes, tyre and fuel wear are on. It wasn't possible to switch them off before the patch last week.
 
Imari
GT5 isn't that complicated. No car is so harsh on tyres or fuel as to require another pit stop.

And yes, tyre and fuel wear are on. It wasn't possible to switch them off before the patch last week.
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I wasn't thinking so much about forcing a pit stop as just slowing down lap times for the faster cars if they wore their tires out faster. Meaning that while the Subaru/Celica might be a second slower on fresh tires, that as the tires wear they would get faster relative to the other cars because their tires wear slower. Obviously, 1 sec per lap is a big deal if the fast cars/drivers can run that consistently throughout a 15-20 race. If tire wear closed the gap and made the slower cars faster, then testing for just a few laps or under qualifying conditions wouldn't be a true indicator of how even the cars really are.

As you say, maybe the game isn't that complicated, but I was just wondering. I have never done any of the type of testing that you guys are doing. I was really just wondering if the type of behavior I mentioned was possible or likely based on the testing that was being done.
 
Imari
GT5 isn't that complicated. No car is so harsh on tyres or fuel as to require another pit stop.
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There are significant differences in tire wear between the GT300 cars. Maybe not to the point of requiring another pitstop but it is a factor. I couldn't decide whether to go with the RX7 or the CELICA so I did very extensive testing on many tracks and found out the RX7 is easier on tires. The tires on the RX7 wear out evenly on all 4 corners, whereas on the CELICA the fronts wear out faster than the rears. With the fronts worn, the CELICA's times suffer much sooner than on the RX7.

This observation was confirmed in the pre-season races. With fresh tires my CELICA is capable of keeping pace but with 40-60 miles under the belt the RX7's start eating me up. Therefore I don't think it's entirely fair comparing single lap times to establish competitiveness of the cars for endurance races.

I haven't done much tire wear testing on the other cars. Fuel consumption doesn't seem to be a factor.
 
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