2014 F1 Mechanics/Aero; Design predictions to win the WCC/WDC. READ FIRST POST

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Mclaren's 'unique' feature this year is venetian blind covers over the rear suspension members. Ferrari has their engine being tested in a LaFerrari mule around their track.

Oh yeah, direct injection is allowed this year, so expect to see stratified charge as a strategy to save fuel.

Supposedly the car I posted and the one you're talking about is not testing an F1 engine cause that'd be illegal and against regulations.

Now ask if I believe it...

 

[tuj]

No, its definitely an F1 test mule. Look at how they removed the Ferrari logo from the center-rear to make room for a center-line exit exhaust. Ferrari at work.....

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

No, its definitely an F1 test mule. Look at how they removed the Ferrari logo from the center-rear to make room for a center-line exit exhaust. Ferrari at work.....

Never did I say I believed Ferrari, my post shows that I don't despite what they say. Nor am I saying you're wrong I'm just stating that they claim they're not doing wrong yet again and I myself highly doubt that.

EDIT:
So as promised I'd keep up to date with tech developments and staffing. Williams is yet again the topic I'm providing with several new members: Jakob Andreasen (FI & McLaren), Max Nightingale (Promo), Craig Wilson (Merc), Rod Nelson (Lotus). These positions that I think are important are Nightingale being head of Vehicle science and Wilson head of Vehicle Dynamics. All of the positions are major ones but those I care about and most directly do with the development of the car.

I think (after reading some on these new hires and single promotion) that this will only help Williams be a stronger team and coming out of the worst mid tier team. The way I see it is if a certain other member joins Williams are (prediction time) going to at least finish sixth in the WCC.

 

[tuj]

I sure would like to see Williams do better. The FW14b is probably my favorite F1 car of all time.

 

[Azure Flare]

The FW14b is probably my favorite F1 car of all time.

 

[Pezzarinho17]

So the Lotus wont be ready for Test one supposedly even though this is the same team that told everyone some time back that they had started the 2014 project with an increasing degree up to now back in 2012. This before any other team and yet they are having issues...

They lost Raikkonen to Ferrari and gained Maldonado alongside Grosjean, which has an affect on the direction of the 2014 design... And everyone elses designs will go out the window as well when "Bull Bar" is engaged by that pair.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

They lost Raikkonen to Ferrari and gained Maldonado alongside Grosjean, which has an affect on the direction of the 2014 design... And everyone elses designs will go out the window as well when "Bull Bar" is engaged by that pair.

Not enough to scrap two years of claimed "work" that's not how engineering endeavors unfold, also with Raikkonen taking his leave Q3 of the year to later in 2013, there is no way. Same crap people said in regards to 2013 mercedes and people thinking Hamilton had massive input on the direction when the car was well in development before the ink dried on his contract.

For the rest of what you've said I have no idea...makes no sense to me.

 

[Pezzarinho17]

Poor joke was missed... Punchline is that Maldonado crashes a bit, and previously so did Grosjean - Hence addition of bull bars to the design...

Let the serious discussion continue.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Poor joke was missed... Punchline is that Maldonado crashes a bit, and previously so did Grosjean - Hence addition of bull bars to the design...

Let the serious discussion continue.

I see now...yeah I'm in class right now so jokes are going to fly over my head 👍

 

[ukfan758]

I really hope the FIA steps in to ban the schlong-nose.

But I want 50 points awarded to the driver who manages to crash into another car and it gets lodged in the other car's exhaust.

I really hope the FIA is abolished, they have ruined motor sports with their regulations (lowering front wings to rediculous levels, completely destroying tracks like the hockenheimring, osterreichring, Silverstone, Imola, etc.) and environmental garbage rules (Banned V8s because they were "inefficient", fuel is limited to 100 liters per race,etc.).

 

[DK]

"Insane safety regulations"? It's those safety regulations that have prevented further serious injuries and deaths among drivers. 👎

 

[ukfan758]

"Insane safety regulations"? It's those safety regulations that have prevented further serious injuries and deaths among drivers. 👎

I changed it to just plain regulations to make you happy.

 

[VolkswagenX]

I changed it to just plain regulations to make you happy.

I would have kept it the way you first post it. Nobody likes to see drivers get hurt of die and having safety regulations is a good thing but the FIA seems to go to far in their persuit of safety. You can't really take all the risk out of motorsports and thats part of the excitement.

Anyway... Horner about the new regulations:

3:00 – Red Bull Team Principal Christian Horner has suggested that Formula 1's technical regulationoverhaulcould produce a retirement rate of 50 percent at the season-opening Australian Grand Prix.

This year, teams face the challenge of mastering turbocharged 1.6-litre V6 powertrains, with technical chiefs anticipating teething issues when the new technology is given its first mileage during pre-season testing.

Concerns have also been raised over the new 100kg fuel limit per race, which is set to be pushed to the limit around the streets of Melbourne, a circuit traditionally severe in terms of consumption levels.

Speaking in a wide-ranging interview on the Bloomberg TV channel, Horner explained: "I think you could see a very high retirement rate, maybe even 50 percent [of the field failing to finish] in the first race.

"Petrol is a challenge because we are limited to 100kg to start the Grand Prix with, but I think more reliability issues in the early races are going to be a key factor. And we only have five engines for the whole year."

Horner added that there is a high possibility of the better funded teams being even further ahead of their midfield and backmarker counterparts this season, given the cost involved in building packages to the new ruleset.

"The differences between the teams will be bigger," he said. "Whenever there is a reset, the teams that have the investment, that have the resources and the facilities will always turn up with a more advanced product."

When asked if a two-tier series could be the overall result, Horner responded: "I think it could be. That is why stability is so important, as if you have stability then the grid concertinas, and it is down to details.

"The regulations we have for this year are a definite game changer."

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/305327/horner-half-the-field-could-retire-in-australia/

 

[Zuel]

I’m finding the ruling and specifications of the new F1 cars more interesting and exciting. The areas I find the most interesting are the engine and the rear wing pillars. After hearing the turbo chatter of the Ferrari mule when it was on throttle or slight throttle leads me to believe that the system can be used as mild type of traction control pending on throttle position, rpm or load. The pillars could be a loop whole for using the gases to stall the air flow going over the body that flows under the wing. The side pods are lovely as well though I’m very surprised Red Bull developed the design for the whole grid.

Does anyone know how close the cars are being looked at?

 

[mister dog]

Very curious here to see how F1 will look like this year, turbo's, the new looks, how the grid will have been shaken up, reliability issues... a lot of factors to keep you interested after those darned RBR/ Vettel years.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

The side pods are lovely as well though I’m very surprised Red Bull developed the design for the whole grid.

Red Bull haven't designed the whole side pod, only the side-crash structure will be standardised.

I'm interested in how you would expect any gasses to be blown through the (I assume you mean the centrally mounted pillars, rather than the end plates?) pillars though. I haven't heard any suggestions about that possibility.

 

[Zuel]

I noticed the possibility of this @Cap'n Jack after I looked at a few renderings of the cars and what has been shown. Pending on how far the outlet of the exhaust is from the central pillars, the pillars can be designed to cause a vortex which would cause the portion of the air flowing through the mid section of the rear wing area to stall causing the air to flow faster. This will change the pressure in the mid section of the rear wing causing less drag, even more when the DRS is opened.

If someone finds a loop whole in the rules I see this being done.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The cars are being looked at quite close...

EDIT:

STR will release their car on January 27th, while Sauber plans to release theirs the day before that. So folks we only have a week until we see the first car.

 

[IceMan PJN]

I would have kept it the way you first post it. Nobody likes to see drivers get hurt of die and having safety regulations is a good thing but the FIA seems to go to far in their persuit of safety. You can't really take all the risk out of motorsports and thats part of the excitement.

No, we can't take all risk out without doing away with motorsports altogether, but we can do what we can to make it as safe as possible while still being able to race cars at high speed. I'm a huge fan of safety and of drivers not being killed.

 

[Pezzarinho17]

STR will release their car on January 27th, while Sauber plans to release theirs the day before that. So folks we only have a week until we see the first car.

Less than that, McLaren on 24th and Ferrari on 25th.

 

[dhandeh]

2014 car launch schedule
January 24: McLaren MP4-29 - Online.
January 25: Ferrari - Online.
January 26: Sauber C33 - Online.
January 27: Toro Rosso STR9 - Jerez.
January 28: Red Bull RB10, Mercedes W05 and Caterham - Jerez.
February: Lotus E22 - Pre-Bahrain test.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Less than that, McLaren on 24th and Ferrari on 25th.

Considering my comment was on Friday (Jan 17) MST in the United States...that qualified as a week so not less than that, Today it is but this isn't twitter so I'm not going to make a countdown post. And trust me some new user may start up early trying to get the jump on making F1 car release threads, for many lackluster reasons.

Though if you read the entire thread you'd see that I announced the McLaren and Ferrari release in earlier post and was talking about them. I announced all the releases.

 

[Pezzarinho17]

Ok, I have been reading the whole thread and not just your posts alone. Therefore I don't doubt you have mentioned the Ferrari and McLaren launches. I was responding, however, to the single post (which if I had checked the date, says Saturday for my time zone) where it sounded like you were anticipating the Sauber to be the first launch.

Back on topic, McLaren launched the team kit yesterday which could reveal everything or nothing:

http://www.mclarenstore.com/en/uk/2...mens-2014-technical-team-t-shirt/invt/tm2016/

Sorry I can't post pictures on this computer, but all of the kit available for pre-order seems to follow the same colour scheme as before (no "rocket red" / McLaren Orange in sight) and does not appear to have space for any new title sponsor. The McLaren logos used currently though could just be filler until announced and revealed Friday.

 

[Northstar]

The McLaren logos used currently though could just be filler until announced and revealed Friday.

They won't be announcing a new title sponsor at the reveal.

Hopefully they have as big of a budget as they say though, I don't think I can handle another season without McLaren being towards the front.

 

[Pezzarinho17]

They won't be announcing a new title sponsor at the reveal.

Hopefully they have as big of a budget as they say though, I don't think I can handle another season without McLaren being towards the front.

Just read this (after finishing but not yet publishing a blog post about it - D'OH!), I expect the space is being saved for Honda... Engine + money partnership.

Budget wise, have a look here to calm some nerves!
http://www.pitpass.com/50654/Sponsoring-McLaren

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Ok, I have been reading the whole thread and not just your posts alone. Therefore I don't doubt you have mentioned the Ferrari and McLaren launches. I was responding, however, to the single post (which if I had checked the date, says Saturday for my time zone) where it sounded like you were anticipating the Sauber to be the first launch.

Back on topic, McLaren launched the team kit yesterday which could reveal everything or nothing:

http://www.mclarenstore.com/en/uk/2...mens-2014-technical-team-t-shirt/invt/tm2016/

Sorry I can't post pictures on this computer, but all of the kit available for pre-order seems to follow the same colour scheme as before (no "rocket red" / McLaren Orange in sight) and does not appear to have space for any new title sponsor. The McLaren logos used currently though could just be filler until announced and revealed Friday.

Nope was talking in general and it shows my location of where I reside so two and two together...rest is history

 

[Pezzarinho17]

I apologise then for not reading time, date or location of every post. Shall we move on?

We have our first 2014 F1 car, the Force India VJM07

EDIT: Are we going to start separate threads for each teams car again this year or devote this thread for that now?

EDIT 2: Team have stated the standard nose is a banker for testing, with more radical concepts on their way before the season starts.

 

[Azure Flare]

Launch thread have been created for each car for at least a few years now, so I guess that won't be changing.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Launch thread have been created for each car for at least a few years now, so I guess that won't be changing.

^This, as the first post describes, this isn't a thread that solely talked or talks about release of cars it follows the season and allows people to predict what car and team will win or place in a certain area based on technical break through. That is what this is about @pezzarinho17.

Azure Flare is right and I already told you in the post prior that others will post up release threads for cars due to making it easier to discuss that one car and various other lesser reasons.

Also wanted to mention that Caterham have partnered with TMG using their wind tunnel and they are in for CFD upgrade as well as part of the technical changes. So this upgrade may become useful to the team that has been placed on watch to leave F1 if success isn't found very soon.

“Among the news we could share were two very significant deals that will definitely pay dividends for us in 2014 and for years to come – the first being our renewed partnership with Dell/Intel, the second being the migration of our wind tunnel program to the Toyota Motorsport (TMG) facility in Cologne, Germany,” said Caterham team principal Cyril Abiteboul.
Abiteboul explained that the new deal with Dell/Intel represents a major upgrade to the team’s HPC (High Performance Cluster), the supercomputer that powers all our IT needs. This has dramatically uprated the CFD capability, something which will be particularly important with the rule changes governing wind-tunnel usage in 2014.


“In addition, we are moving our wind tunnel program to TMG in Germany", Abiteboul continued.
“The TMG facility allows us to run at 60% scale, more than the 50% scale we have been using to date, and that has obvious benefits in increasing the accuracy of the data generated in the tunnel. Ally that to our increased partnership with Dell/Intel and it’s safe to say our Design Office now has an IT infrastructure and wind tunnel that are on a par with any team in F1,” he explained.

 

[Pezzarinho17]

Jeez @LMSCorvetteGT2, what gives? I know what the thread is for and thought I would contribute. I even apologised, which instead seems to have given your anger towards me a new lease of life?

You want to talk 2014 design predictions, but when we have the very first car to mull over I am pointed to a thread which did not exist at the time (I presume you are already aware of the time difference between my post and the thread creation though, given that I also state my location as a clue). I asked a question (via an edit, to avoid double posting. Yep, I had time to read the AUP as well as everything you say or don't say) and I would like to thank @Azure Flare for the answer, which did not contain any personal attack at my apparent ignorance.

So, would it be ok with @LMSCorvetteGT2 and everyone else if I was to discuss what changes Force India may make before Australia? Or what the remaining 9 cars may look like?

I think a 2014 thread with the new rules, the technical shake ups due to said rules but also the mass jumping of ship by so many technical personal that have been big news in the F1 world nearly on par with drivers, car design will be massively looked at.

Without consideration to the actual designs.