2014 F1 Mechanics/Aero; Design predictions to win the WCC/WDC. READ FIRST POST

[TenEightyOne]

I'm guessing (not sure) that the larger side pods are somewhat hindering downforce since they have reported loosing some downforce.

Definitely, if you "use" air at that point it's not available to push against any other part of the car.

Is that still an oil cooler, used to be there on the Renault and the exhaust still favours that side this year I think. Did they change both pods or just one?

 

[aarror]

Ted Cravitz said in the last notebook that he thinks Caterham will have a Lotus style twin-tusk nose ready for the Spanish Grand Prix. Which means we won't have to look at that monstrosity for too long.

 

[DemurgicDemon]

Ted Cravitz said in the last notebook that he thinks Caterham will have a Lotus style twin-tusk nose ready for the Spanish Grand Prix. Which means we won't have to look at that monstrosity for too long.

So they're going to replace one monstrosity with an even bigger one?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Ted Cravitz said in the last notebook that he thinks Caterham will have a Lotus style twin-tusk nose ready for the Spanish Grand Prix. Which means we won't have to look at that monstrosity for too long.

Yeah I heard that early during this past test, the problem is the front of their car isn't what is making them slow, their inability to try and get out of the placing they've been in is the issue. They don't seem to have the same drive as Marussia and will be beat early on yet again by them.

However, if they think it will help them be a little faster than slow...

 

[MHPALA]

They changed both.

Definitely, if you "use" air at that point it's not available to push against any other part of the car.

Is that still an oil cooler, used to be there on the Renault and the exhaust still favours that side this year I think. Did they change both pods or just one?

Ehh.. Not really sure, but wouldn't it be more reasonable to have both side pods the same size? They looks the same from what I've seen.

Found a pic of the inside of one of the E22's side pods on the f1technical forum:

Added a photo from the Renault press release for comparison:

 

[TenEightyOne]

Ehh.. Not really sure, but wouldn't it be more reasonable to have both side pods the same size? THey looks the same from what I've seen.

No. Teams have sometimes chosen to split oil cooling and water cooling for maximum cooling efficiency. Ferrari have commonly run asymmetric sidepod openings because of that; the water rad is bigger than the oil rad (and obviously each is as small as it can possibly be).

Clearly you wouldn't cool oil at both sides of the car (and the same with water). Looking at the Renault illustration it DOES look as though all the cooling is done in one place. I wonder if all the others are doing that this season or if it's part of their temperature issue?

 

[DemurgicDemon]

No. Teams have sometimes chosen to split oil cooling and water cooling for maximum cooling efficiency. Ferrari have commonly run asymmetric sidepod openings because of that; the water rad is bigger than the oil rad (and obviously each is as small as it can possibly be).

Clearly you wouldn't cool oil at both sides of the car (and the same with water). Looking at the Renault illustration it DOES look as though all the cooling is done in one place. I wonder if all the others are doing that this season or if it's part of their temperature issue?

Not sure how you managed to quote me on that post when it was MHPALA's, not mine!

 

[TenEightyOne]

@DemurgicDemon ... don't know how I'd managed that, sorry!

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

1. Not sure what Vettel's angle is but he claims that the RB10 wont reach the points unless retirements happen. Now I'm skeptical to believe because in the past teams have been known to do this down play before the first couple races and then something else happens otherwise. Maybe Vettel isn't lying and is being as honest as Jenson was last year about McLaren's dire situation, but even more so in regards to the RB10.

If that's the case I feel it's safe to say that the package wont be a threat until probably close to the second half of the season and try to catch up like they tried in 09. Or for Newey like '91.

2. Supposedly...RBR asked STR for help with the teething issues, so if that's true then perhaps Vettel isn't lying and he's just face palming at the entire situation. http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/crisis-struck-red-bull-asks-toro-rosso-for-help/


3. Also the Mercedes engine as Lauda puts it only produces 580hp, which is a big gap from the 650 these engines are suppose to make before Electric engines kick in. I of course don't believe this since other numbers above 650 have been claimed by insiders regarding Merc. And now you see why I'm skeptical when a team or their driver says something in regards to performance.
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-v6-produces-580hp-lauda/


NOTICE: Just wanted to inform you all that I will be making a competition thread this year in regards to both the WCC and WDC titles, and will be giving a single prize at the end of the f1 year to the winner. It will be a prediction based set up and will have more detail in a thread later in the week. So I hope you all that have posted here with such great discussion are interested in making similar predictions like I have.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Also a reminder for those who wish too that were apart of the discussion on this thread the WCC and GP predictions championship is open with prizes to be won at the end; special secret prizes that will be slowly revealed as the championship goes on.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...prediction-chamipionship.304883/#post-9441142

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Here is a complete guide to flow as well

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/03/12/2014-f1-rules-changes-glance/

some of the more important bits

Each driver may only use five complete power units throughout the 19 race weekends. Last year they were allowed to use eight engines. Therefore this year each power unit will do three or four races, whereas last year they were doing two or three. Unlike gearboxes they do not have to be used in consecutive events.

The power units are defined as six separate elements – the internal combustion engine (ICE), the motor generator unit-kinetic (MGU-K), the motor generator unit-heat (MGU-H), the energy store (ES), turbocharger (TC) and control electronics (CE). Penalties are applied once a driver uses more than five of any of these as follows:

A sixth element is used for the first timeTen-place grid drop
A sixth of any remaining element is used for the first timeFive-place grid drop
A seventh element is used for the first timeTen-place grid drop
A seventh of any remaining element is used for the first timeFive-place grid drop
etc…
A complete power unit is replacePit-lane start
If a driver qualifies low enough that they cannot be moved back all of the places assigned by a grid drop, the remainder of the penalty will carry over to the next race, but not any further races.


TESTING
Teams’ running outside of race weekends is now defined in four different ways by the regulations: Testing of Current Cars (TCC), Testing of Previous Cars (TPC), Testing of Historic Cars and Promotional Events.

Eight in-season test days have been permitted (there were none last year), of which each team must give one over to the official tyre supplier for tyre testing.

During tests cars being driven by drivers who do not have superlicences must use green rear lights instead of red ones.

The two-week August factory shut-down which teams have observed in previous seasons is now part of the regulations. The extent of wind tunnel and CFD testing has also been restricted.

Oh and post-race celebrations are now allowed so that's cool! 👍

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

So I thought this was a pretty significant event over at RBR since this was one of the main engineers that helped them toward their 4 WCC

Red Bull has confirmed its head of aerodynamics Peter Prodromou has stepped down from active duties as he prepares to move to rivals McLaren.

A statement released on Wednesday said Prodromou has “commenced a period of gardening leave” and the team “would like to thank him for his valuable contribution during his time with the team”.

Prodromou has occupied the role since 2006, during which time he worked alongside chief technical officer Adrian Newey on the team’s four consecutive constructors’ championship-winning cars. He will return to McLaren, who he originally joined in 1991.

Dan Fallows, who was previously the aerodynamics team leader, has been in Prodromou’s place. Red Bull said Fallows “left the team for a short time last year”.

“He has now returned to Infiniti Red Bull Racing to begin working in his new role.”

oh and there is this

McLaren are considering legal action following Red Bull’s announcement that Dan Fallows will continue to work for them.

Red Bull stated earlier today Fallows will remain at the Milton Keynes team as their head of aerodynamics. However McLaren claim they have the rights to Fallows’ services having previously announced he had been hired from their rivals.

McLaren racing director Eric Boullier gave the following statement: “Dan Fallows has a legally binding contract with McLaren and the matter is now in the hands of our lawyers.”

Fallows originally joined Red Bull in 2001, when it competed as Jaguar. He left in 2005 but returned the following year, after the team became Red Bull.

According to Red Bull, Fallows also “left the team for a short time last year” before returning.

Boullier would not comment on when Peter Prodromou, Red Bull’s former head of aerodynamics whose hiring was announced at the same time as Fallows’, will be joining McLaren. Red Bull announced today he has gone on “gardening leave” prior to his departure.

 

[MHPALA]

First day of testing. The exhaust looks the same on the W05 (eyes can be deceiving). There is a new monkey seat design, and its sporting a new rear brake duct.

 

[sems4arsenal]

It seems we will get to hear it tomorrow

 

[MHPALA]

Another view:

 

[Pezzarinho17]

We will see what gets priority - the "poor" noise from before or the unsightly monstrosities...

It just looks so awful, or like a very good photoshop.

 

[MHPALA]

Wow... What an obstruction. They had to remove the monkey seat. I hope this can be implementated without making any compromises to the rear aero setup (grip is essential).

Sound clip: http://www.mobypicture.com/user/piusgasso3/view/16896640 has been deleted.

Sounds menacing

Lewis tested the new brake ducts, and Nico tested the exhaust.

Dat Sauber though.

 

[MHPALA]

Red Bull is being scolded about the camera placement on the RB10, again.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...-kamera-trick-ab-monaco-verboten-8375761.html

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-wants-brawn-bell-and-newey-report/

Saw that a few days back and was too lazy to post it up. Wonder how true it is

 

[MHPALA]

W05 sporting a new monkey seat.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Saw that a few days back and was too lazy to post it up. Wonder how true it is

It comes up pretty regularly - like the "Toro Rosso will be sold" and "the French Grand Prix will return" rumours.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

It comes up pretty regularly - like the "Toro Rosso will be sold" and "the French Grand Prix will return" rumours.

How does it come up that often I've only seen Brawn for the past several years linked to going back. Bob Bell I've never seen. Newey is every teams dream director, but Bell and Brawn isn't that surprising if the money is right. Especially Bell since he has yet to say any plans and right not is just taking a leave from it all. I mean he's done at Merc but that doesn't rule out possibilities else where. Also this streak Ferrari has created even after buying up engineers like Merc did
seems like it will continue this year and onward if they don't get a real person to steer the ship.

 

[MHPALA]

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Mercedes taught me how to do this stuff.

 

[MHPALA]

Exactly, with some Ferrari in the mingle too.

Mercedes also tweaked the FW some on the W05. Not worth a pic though. New monkey seat/rear wing plates on the Lotus.

Is the monkey seat on the W05 considered blown? I see Redbull doing something similar with their new one. Is Lotus doing the same?

Blow anything.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-wants-brawn-bell-and-newey-report/

Saw that a few days back and was too lazy to post it up. Wonder how true it is

So it seems I was right in posting this to the extent that we now know that Ferrari were/are prepared to give Newey a lot of money. Instead he rather stay with RBR.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/may/21/adrian-newey-red-bull-formula-one-ferrari

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Mercedes taught me how to do this stuff.

The handlebar-style mounting is pretty much standard. FOM like the teams to set them in such a way that they can have a camera pointing backwards. Remember those fantastic shots we used to get of Webber and Alonso duelling in Abu Dhabi? It was because of that camera.

So it seems I was right in posting this to the extent that we now know that Ferrari were/are prepared to give Newey a lot of money. Instead he rather stay with RBR.

I have heard that Newey and Horner have clauses in their contracts that states that if the other leaves, then he is free to go as well.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The handlebar-style mounting is pretty much standard. FOM like the teams to set them in such a way that they can have a camera pointing backwards. Remember those fantastic shots we used to get of Webber and Alonso duelling in Abu Dhabi? It was because of that camera.

Yes but prior to this GP only Merc and Ferrari had it in the exact style.

I have heard that Newey and Horner have clauses in their contracts that states that if the other leaves, then he is free to go as well.

Yeah but RBR have the money just like Merc, McLaren and Ferrari to buy up personnel that are good enough to fill those spots. Obviously they have big plans with in RBR already or there is something in the work environment that they just don't think they can get anywhere else so they rather stay. I don't blame them, they've been around long enough to know how Ferrari operates though others and what they've seen through the years first hand as well.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

The FIA has confirmed that anteater noses will be banned in 2015, with the regulations rewritten to demand noses that taper to a point at a linear rate.

While the aesthetics will no doubt go down well, I am disappointed that the changes will limit the range of designs. They might be ugly individually, but one of the things I love in 2014 is the sheer variety of designs, all of them distinct.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The FIA has confirmed that anteater noses will be banned in 2015, with the regulations rewritten to demand noses that taper to a point at a linear rate.

While the aesthetics will no doubt go down well, I am disappointed that the changes will limit the range of designs. They might be ugly individually, but one of the things I love in 2014 is the sheer variety of designs, all of them distinct.

Tapering...sounds like they may look close to what they were in the mid 90s just modernized obviously.