2014 United Sports Car Championship
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Honestly, DP had to be sped up to keep ahead of the PC/GTLM cars, but I dont think they needed the unrestricted dampers/brakes. They should have just canned the P2s and sped the DPs up to a safe margin ahead of PC by using aero and carbon brakes (1 supplier). This is coming from someone who intensely dislikes DPs. Thats just too much to spend to upgrade.
Having said that, i hope a bunch of DP teams drop out so we can get more GTLM entries.
Having said that, i hope a bunch of DP teams drop out so we can get more GTLM entries.
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aarrorHonestly, DP had to be sped up to keep ahead of the PC/GTLM cars, but I dont think they needed the unrestricted dampers/brakes. They should have just canned the P2s and sped the DPs up to a safe margin ahead of PC by using aero and carbon brakes (1 supplier). This is coming from someone who intensely dislikes DPs. Thats just too much to spend to upgrade.
Having said that, i hope a bunch of DP teams drop out so we can get more GTLM entries.
Not possible considering gtlm is capped at 12 cars
#IMSAlogic
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Honestly, DP had to be sped up to keep ahead of the PC/GTLM cars, but I dont think they needed the unrestricted dampers/brakes. They should have just canned the P2s and sped the DPs up to a safe margin ahead of PC by using aero and carbon brakes (1 supplier). This is coming from someone who intensely dislikes DPs. Thats just too much to spend to upgrade.
Having said that, i hope a bunch of DP teams drop out so we can get more GTLM entries.
Can P2? Wow you can't possibly be serious.
More GTLM is good though.
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The one suggestion I like that questions IMSA's decision making right now is Gentilozzi's questioning about how they'll be group PC/GTD and P/GTLM together for certain races.
Why not just put the GT cars and Prototype cars together to give stronger support to watching both races? Especially when GTLM has some of the strongest manufacturer support?
Considering it's poorly supported next to the DP fields... it's not entirely outrageous of a suggestion. There's only 2 P2 teams consisting of four cars.
Granted, it's too late to do anything now.
And if any class is going to fill in empty grid spots, it's going to be PC, since they're receiving the most attention from teams while getting the least recognition from the series.
Why not just put the GT cars and Prototype cars together to give stronger support to watching both races? Especially when GTLM has some of the strongest manufacturer support?
Considering it's poorly supported next to the DP fields... it's not entirely outrageous of a suggestion. There's only 2 P2 teams consisting of four cars.
Granted, it's too late to do anything now.
And if any class is going to fill in empty grid spots, it's going to be PC, since they're receiving the most attention from teams while getting the least recognition from the series.
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Count me in also, two classes: one fairly open and expensive tube framed monsters and one restricted by being much more in line with the production cars 👍
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phil bell
2 LMP2 teams raced full season. There wasn't going to be any full season teams until esm threw together a late program. Not much going for them.
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I bet the gtlm grid would end up like the LMP1 class in the wec. Half a handful of manufacturer teams and a few privateers that win maybe 1 or 2 races a year. Gtd would have 40 cars a race at least being cheap and pro-am.
I honestly think the reason for the cap is so that the gtlm car counts look better compared to the rest of the field. Right now, gtlm has roughly 11 full season entrants. PC if not capped will flourish to about 14. Even with all the expenses for DP teams, I'd bet at least 11 are back added to the handful of LMP2 teams. Gtd could be 25 cars full season with lots more at the big races. Lots of politics involved though
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Apparently not alone, but I I'm not in your boat. It would be just another GT championship. Nothing agaisnt mind you, but but it isn't sportscars racing if you don't have the awesomeness of prototypes in it. And mixed with GT cars, they're both needed at the same track racing at the same time, to have them mixed is also an important part of what makes sporstcars racing different. From its inception to this day
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http://www.racer.com/tuscc-starworks-looking-at-p2-switch-driver-search/article/317404/
Pretty much sums up how IMSA has 🤬 over the DP team owners
Pretty much sums up how IMSA has 🤬 over the DP team owners
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phil bell
Look, i like P2s and hate DPs, but mixing them was never going to work. In that case, either convince DP teams to be the 2nd fastest class (which would never happen, since they bought ALMS), or make the 2 teams running P2 buy DPs. As i said in my previous post, you would still need to speed up the DPs, but it would be a cheaper band-aid solution until 2016.
In my ideal world, the merger would have been pushed back until 2016 when the new P2 comes out. All P teams would be mandated to use it, then we have no balanxing issues.
Again, i am a huge ALMS fan, but Im looking at this logistically rather than how I would like it to be.
Edit: Or do what Mac said, thats cool too
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I think that P2 should have been made the top class, then merge PC and DP considering they're pretty much the same sorta class and have 1 GT class...
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Changes Coming to IMSA Safety Teams
Bad news everyone. It appears the response team which would always travel with the ALMS from track to track may not be around in 2014, rather, safety would be run by the track's local safety crew.
Also, in light of the current topic, who was it that said about a month ago that the DP would be dead by 2017?
This guy
Bad news everyone. It appears the response team which would always travel with the ALMS from track to track may not be around in 2014, rather, safety would be run by the track's local safety crew.
Also, in light of the current topic, who was it that said about a month ago that the DP would be dead by 2017?
This guy
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Sam48Changes Coming to IMSA Safety Teams
Bad news everyone. It appears the response team which would always travel with the ALMS from track to track may not be around in 2014, rather, safety would be run by the track's local safety crew.
Also, in light of the current topic, who was it that said about a month ago that the DP would be dead by 2017?
This guy
#IMSAlogic
Also, anyone who thinks the DP needs to die is getting their wish handed to them on a silver platter courtesy of Scott Elkins.
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You know, I think what's happening in the USCR is fascinating. A year ago, heck, even just a few weeks ago, I never would have expected it. Maybe waving the green flag at Le Mans changed Jim France for life. Perhaps having a tie in with Le Mans is what he was after all along. And all this time, Jim was a closet ALMS fan. Who would have thought. I'm quite shocked how all of this unfolded. But I've been thinking about it all day and no matter how I look at it, to me the handwriting is on the wall. And I believe it's now clear that even Jim France wants to kill off the DP class and replace it with LMP2 and whatever LMP2 will morph into in a few years. They can't do it outright or they'd have a revolt. But the fact that they're making it tough for the DP teams to continue and much more attractive for those teams to simply switch to an LMP2 car, speaks volumes. It's truly a very powerful statement and one that totally took me by surprise.
Perhaps having a tie in with Le Mans is what he was after all along. And all this time, Jim was a closet ALMS fan. Who would have thought. I'm quite shocked how all of this unfolded. But I've been thinking about it all day and no matter how I look at it, to me the handwriting is on the wall. And I believe it's now clear that even Jim France wants to kill off the DP class and replace it with LMP2 and whatever LMP2 will morph into in a few years. They can't do it outright or they'd have a revolt. But the fact that they're making it tough for the DP teams to continue and much more attractive for those teams to simply switch to an LMP2 car, speaks volumes. It's truly a very powerful statement and one that totally took me by surprise.
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Interesting to hear that many of the DP teams are sticking with DP. Looks like so far with the exception of Starworks and Bob Stallings, the DP Teams are willing to put up with the extra prices.
I've been trying to tell people that Jim France is a huge Sportscar racing supporter and has been for a while.
You know, I think what's happening in the USCR is fascinating. A year ago, heck, even just a few weeks ago, I never would have expected it. Maybe waving the green flag at Le Mans changed Jim France for life.
I've been trying to tell people that Jim France is a huge Sportscar racing supporter and has been for a while.
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I'm surprised myself. Worth noting current LMP2 regs from the ACO will continue to end of 2014, and perhaps be renewed to 2016.
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And my Twitter feed blew up. Most notably:Changes Coming to IMSA Safety Teams
Bad news everyone. It appears the response team which would always travel with the ALMS from track to track may not be around in 2014, rather, safety would be run by the track's local safety crew.
Also, in light of the current topic, who was it that said about a month ago that the DP would be dead by 2017?
This guy
That should be #ISupportTheIMSASafetyTeam
