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Random thought #4,080: Was there ever a driver to race, competitively, all five COTF Manufacturers?

James Moffat got close. Falcon, Altima, S60 and the VF. The only one he didn't drive was the Merc.

Along the same lines. With Winterbottom apparently driving a Holden next year. That leaves Tander as the only driver on the grid who has spent thier entire career with the same manufacturer, doesn't it? Can't think of any others.
 
T8 have always been quick to jump on other teams in situations like that. Not so much when they're at fault.

Oh, hey here we go. Still not a fan of the facelift on the new Mustang but it looks pretty good in race trim.

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This is the problem with a control chassis built for sedans. You get this thing.
 
James Moffat got close. Falcon, Altima, S60 and the VF. The only one he didn't drive was the Merc.

Along the same lines. With Winterbottom apparently driving a Holden next year. That leaves Tander as the only driver on the grid who has spent thier entire career with the same manufacturer, doesn't it? Can't think of any others.

There are a couple of others, Mostert, Percat, but they obviously haven’t been around as Tander.

I was going to say Waters as well, but then I remembered that he made his debut in a VE at Bathurst.
 
Yeah I can't get over how much that Greenhouse looks like it was ripped from a Falcon and then quickly blended with a Mustang everywhere else.
Funny you should say that. When @Spacegoat first posted the images I did an Google Image search to try and work out where they'd come from. The result that came up was... Best guess for this image: FGX.

I tried it again later and it came out as Ford Mustang. But my first thoughts were along the same lines as yours... Falcon roofline, but with a newish model Mondeo (Fusion) front. The rear is definitely Mustang-ish.

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Funny you should say that. When @Spacegoat first posted the images I did an Google Image search to try and work out where they'd come from. The result that came up was... Best guess for this image: FGX.

I tried it again later and it came out as Ford Mustang. But my first thoughts were along the same lines as yours... Falcon roofline, but with a newish model Mondeo (Fusion) front. The rear is definitely Mustang-ish.

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Yeah that perfectly sums it up, a Frankenstein of a Ford that probably at best should be left to Super 2 but hopefully it will evolve before it is finally used. Not sure I see that happening so close to the 2019 season. I think even Ford and DJRTP were surprised by the greenhouse and rest of the car.
 
The rear wing is thought get a tweek, in adjustment. There's mention of it having multiple position mounts
https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/five-talking-points-supercars-mustang-reveal/
I doubt they'll change anything, but maybe with Gen3, the design can evolve. Seriously hope this doesn't put WAU off the Camaro project.
I can see the rear wing angle being adjustable just like all the previous Supercars but adjustable mounting points? Not without it starting World War 3.
That opens a huge Pandora’s box on aero parity.

If nothing changes, I can see WAU pulling faces & putting the whole idea on hold until Gen 3 or some other solution.
I certainly wouldn’t be green-lighting all that development money to produce a pig.
 
I can see the rear wing angle being adjustable just like all the previous Supercars but adjustable mounting points? Not without it starting World War 3.
That opens a huge Pandora’s box on aero parity.
I'm pretty sure they only do this for cost effectiveness and that T8 did the same with the ZB. It makes sense for car balance testing and parity testing reasons. Just in case it doesn't pass the run down down test they can easily reset the rear mount positions without having to fabricate different wings for every separate position.
 
I'm pretty sure they only do this for cost effectiveness and that T8 did the same with the ZB. It makes sense for car balance testing and parity testing reasons. Just in case it doesn't pass the run down down test they can easily reset the rear mount positions without having to fabricate different wings for every separate position.
In the case of testing, I can understand why it’s done but I was referring to a race package.
No way would it get over the line without a huge stink up.
 
In the case of testing, I can understand why it’s done but I was referring to a race package.
No way would it get over the line without a huge stink up.
Once it's homologated the mounting points will be set just like what happened with the ZB rear wing. T8 also had several different front bars at the homologation test in case the first one didn't pass. Wouldn't surprise me if the DJRTP/Ford/Tickford boffins have got a plan B and C as well.

From the article:
The wing’s main plane in the images appears high, although this is subject to change, with a large array of both vertical and angle-adjustment holes seen on the prototype car ahead of homologation.
 
If nothing changes, I can see WAU pulling faces & putting the whole idea on hold until Gen 3 or some other solution.
I certainly wouldn’t be green-lighting all that development money to produce a pig.

Spot on. Wouldn't be surprised if the Camaro project never gets off the ground for time being, without Supercars allowing them to modify the chassis. And can only imagine the stink that will cause after Ford/DJRTP/Tickford had to jump through hoops to make the Mustang work. This could become a bit of a mess.
 
Once it's homologated the mounting points will be set just like what happened with the ZB rear wing. T8 also had several different front bars at the homologation test in case the first one didn't pass. Wouldn't surprise me if the DJRTP/Ford/Tickford boffins have got a plan B and C as well.

From the article:
The wing’s main plane in the images appears high, although this is subject to change, with a large array of both vertical and angle-adjustment holes seen on the prototype car ahead of homologation.
Yeah, no surprises there. We're on the same page 👍 I thought they were trying to get multiple mounting points homologated, that they could then pick & choose come race weekend. They're obviously not so it's all good.

Spot on. Wouldn't be surprised if the Camaro project never gets off the ground for time being, without Supercars allowing them to modify the chassis. And can only imagine the stink that will cause after Ford/DJRTP/Tickford had to jump through hoops to make the Mustang work. This could become a bit of a mess.
This is Supercars sitting on their hands & turning a blind eye despite knowing this day was coming.

I really feel sorry for Ford & their teams. They're now locked into racing a 'Mustang' that doesn't really look too Mustang unless you squint....a lot.
 
If/when FP release a video, I feel the initial shock will wear off. As I mentioned, the #6 car, in my opinion, will look the best in matte black.

As for WAU. I'm sure they'll be seeing how the Mustang performs over how it looks. That's going to be the real test. Camaro's problem, is it's greenhouse is more like mail slots compared to Mustang. Raising the roof(no pun intended), may be a good thing. That's if it's a go.

Edit: Undisclosed location in New South Wales, could be Williamtown RAAF base. Only down the road apiece, from the CBD. https://www.supercars.com/news/cham...-in-a-week-for-mustang-testing/?sf201827059=1

They'd have to bring it to Newcastle. Just have to...
 
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Buddy of mine works for FPR and when he told me the Mustang was gonna be "essentially a Falcon center section with a Mustang nose and tail" I knew it wasn't gonna be pretty.

I guess if they raise the nose to make the proportions correct the drivers can't see out of the car.
 
Yeah, no surprises there. We're on the same page 👍 I thought they were trying to get multiple mounting points homologated, that they could then pick & choose come race weekend. They're obviously not so it's all good.
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This is Supercars sitting on their hands & turning a blind eye despite knowing this day was coming.

I really feel sorry for Ford & their teams. They're now locked into racing a 'Mustang' that doesn't really look too Mustang unless you squint....a lot.
👍 Yes, they should have known when they first allowed two doors in that the control chassis and rollcage should be modified.

I tried your squinting trick but my eyes were closed before it looked like a Mustang to me :indiff:.

Buddy of mine works for FPR and when he told me the Mustang was gonna be "essentially a Falcon center section with a Mustang nose and tail" I knew it wasn't gonna be pretty.

I guess if they raise the nose to make the proportions correct the drivers can't see out of the car.
They'd be able to see out okay. The nose would have to be raised to a ridiculous height for them not to be able to see. I went on a ride day in a pre-COTF FG Falcon where you sit further forward and I was much higher than the driver (Michael Patrizi) was, and I still couldn't see the front, even with the much higher front corners. I could only just see the bonnet bulge in the centre (which in my road BA GT-P is very prominent). It would also greatly reduce the new model being able to compete with the very slippery ZB.
 


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Ryan Walkinshaw isn't my favourite fella by any means but, credit where it's due, he's spot on with that post.

I'd much rather see the Holdens look like they've been to the local chop shop for a lowered roof than see space-cab Mustangs. It's all too late now anyway. They've started punching out all the Mustang panels except for the rear wing & front air dam/splitter.
 
Which manufacturers have VASC been talking to though? Also, which ones are actually interested, but want to race which cars? What cars would a manufacturer race?
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Cars sold and/or imported here:
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May come here
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We've seen the S60, E63 and Altima make it work over the same chassis.
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We now have, just about, open engines available to enter the series. I'm glad Ryan has shed more light on this, but who is hesitant besides BMW(as an example, menyioned the M4. Rules didn't allow for coupes and 6-cylinders) and Chrysler? Have any manufacturers gone as far as WAU, to at least see what their cars would look like? What are Kia and Alfa waiting for? Just what are "the potentials" concerned with(other than wanting to join with a competitive team)? That's what we should be reading/hearing about. At least, with what those manufacturers want to race with.


Edit: On the back of the TCR news R1600Turbo posted, about Hyundai running the Veloster N next year, as that's the car they sell(USA doesn't get the i30 N, in the USA
https://www.speedcafe.com/2018/11/10/jones-supercars-can-learn-from-dtm/

I hope more owners start being more vocal about their investment in VASC. I remember Todd Kelly saying they hoped VASc would help them with engine power. The category has to look out for keeping manufacturers in. We all know this, but it's like the owners have their hands tied or something.
Wasn't it Zak Brown or a Walkinshaw sponsor, saying they'd pull funding, if they couldn't race a V8? VASC should be looking out for the brands like DTM and Super GT. Especially, the way Super GT maintain their relationship with the manufacturers.
 
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Which manufacturers have VASC been talking to though? Also, which ones are actually interested, but want to race which cars? What cars would a manufacturer race?
the-ford-mustang-is-returning-to-australias-top-flight-racing-448.jpg

Cars sold and/or imported here:
2018-chrysler-300-srt-hellcat-black-spy-shot-1001x565-3.jpg

2019-Dodge-Challenger-SRT-Hellcat-Redeye-Widebody-side.jpg

May come here
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We've seen the S60, E63 and Altima make it work over the same chassis.
IMG_1119.jpg

We now have, just about, open engines available to enter the series. I'm glad Ryan has shed more light on this, but who is hesitant besides BMW(as an example, menyioned the M4. Rules didn't allow for coupes and 6-cylinders) and Chrysler? Have any manufacturers gone as far as WAU, to at least see what their cars would look like? What are Kia and Alfa waiting for? Just what are "the potentials" concerned with(other than wanting to join with a competitive team)? That's what we should be reading/hearing about. At least, with what those manufacturers want to race with.


Edit: On the back of the TCR news R1600Turbo posted, about Hyundai running the Veloster N next year, as that's the car they sell(USA doesn't get the i30 N, in the USA
https://www.speedcafe.com/2018/11/10/jones-supercars-can-learn-from-dtm/

I hope more owners start being more vocal about their investment in VASC. I remember Todd Kelly saying they hoped VASc would help them with engine power. The category has to look out for keeping manufacturers in. We all know this, but it's like the owners have their hands tied or something.
Wasn't it Zak Brown or a Walkinshaw sponsor, saying they'd pull funding, if they couldn't race a V8? VASC should be looking out for the brands like DTM and Super GT. Especially, the way Super GT maintain their relationship with the manufacturers.
It was Boost Mobile boss Peter Adderton that said no V8, no Boost.
 
After seeing proper on track footage and photos, I don’t think the Mustang looks that bad at all. Obviously the high roof line isn’t ideal, but at speed it looks pretty good.

It was Boost Mobile boss Peter Adderton that said no V8, no Boost.

While I’ve been a life long HRT fan, I’m not much of fan of Peter Adderton. He just comes across as a bit of douche (which I’m sure is a reason why he and Ryan Walkinshaw get along so well), his opinion on James Moffat’s Carrera Cup dust up reiterated my feelings towards him. Seems like a bit of a cashed up bogan.
 
Something that to me is a bit of a concern regarding the legality of the Mustang.

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While not technically part of the control wing, surely that extra lip has to add downforce to the rear :confused:.
 
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