520PP Super GT/GT300 Super Lap: Brands Hatch GP Circuit

[Evo19uk]

Not totally sure but I thought you posted that lap today.

To be honest. I don't run with as on strong any more, only mild. And I usually run it if most of the top players are too. I'm looking to gauge myself against top players, so if they're using it, I usually will too.

I didn't use it on the last TT, when most were. One thing I am going to start doing if I'm using AS on a TT is hammering the TT to get my best, then I'll have a few sessions without AS to see the difference

Hey dont think im calling u or anyone else ... Nothing of the sort... Weve been progressing pretty steadily together in the last few months and we both use it on certain events, not all the time. Its just so easy on this event with it on it made me think what the hell is a guy like shooter using AS for when he has the talent to be where he is now or very close at least, without using it....hes proven it time and time again over the last few months iv been watching... I just think if ur running in the top 25 or so like we are and u like to think your a decent/good driver and u have a shot of making that 14 for academy or whatever ur goal maybe, when u finally get a time that puts u high or higher than ur PB and youve used an aid, mainly AS, can u really take the satisfaction? You had help all the way round? You didnt do it on your own... So really your time means nothing?

 

[GT_Rajman]

@GT_Rajman joined to fight 31,441 and this is no perfect lap , 31,267 red lap 🤬
Thanks for sharing @praiano63 and @01Michael well done guys !

 

[Growling]

I think you could say that about anything though mate. Abs? That's an aid. Even having a wheel is an advantage over ds3 users. Hell a t500 is a big advantage over a 5 year old rattly DFGT.

I think each to his own. But shooter, rajman and stotty would have something to say about their laps meaning nothing

 

[Evo19uk]

I think you could say that about anything though mate. Abs? That's an aid. Even having a wheel is an advantage over ds3 users. Hell a t500 is a big advantage over a 5 year old rattly DFGT.

I think each to his own. But shooter, rajman and stotty would have something to say about their laps meaning nothing

Lmao u know what i mean though... Not here to insult at all... And stotty doesnt usually use it... Last few he has... Theres just a bigger sense of achievement when u do it without... I think thats just better way of improving yourself. Dont get used to using anything! Course abs is an aid but thats present in an everyday car at least... Even in race cars...

If anything the only words i should have said is "hey growling. Turn AS off and see how crazy the difference is when u try and drive like u have been doing"

 

[Growling]

I will be giving it a good go without AS when I've reached my peak time, just for you haha.

Nearer the time, if by some miracle it looks like I might be fast enough to qualify for GTA, I'll definitely turn it off for good 👍

 

[Evo19uk]

Exactly same here... Im gunna have a break for a few days before i put my ps3 and rig on ebay just because of this seasonal and come back to it... I may even throw in the towel and put AS back on and try to reach my best... Maybe im just expecting to much of myself. Only been doing this less than a year and im up here already... Just need to relax and drive clean

 

[Growling]

Mate relax.. Most of these guys we're racing have been doing it years. When I get annoyed I just think I've been playing this game 5 months, that's it.

Sometimes you need to step back and appreciate what you have achieved, rather than what you can't quite achieve just yet.👍

 

[Evo19uk]

I do and i will mate. Met some good people on here that id definately call mates and its great community so no other place id rather be playing.. But just to prove a point... AS back on 5 laps, 1.31.961... Just a bit too easy, but with AS off its just a little too difficult atm for me. Maybe i should be running with it on mild haha tried it before but it just felt like strong... Like a switch... Its either on or its off... Theres no inbetween to me

 

[light driver]

Meanwhile in the grey masses another struggle is going on...

First I like to say thanks to mr Roweer 1 and mr numbnuts 70 for throwing me into that RX Base model...numbnut is right, it doesn`t spin out anywhere near the Aspartam stuff when flooring the throttle on exits. Much better car, so it is not the "exact same" as the yellow pill...

And then I will regret my previous post about "it must be the ps3/GT6 combo that is guilty of the big gap from the top drivers to me" - Nonsense...I can tell You this friends:

For the first: I was just driving a moment ago, and when driving, I tried to "feel" my left thumb...I realized it was very clumsy and nervous, sometimes in a degree that it was more or less coincidental if I made it through a curve or not...

For the second: I made a contemporarly new personal record (1.35.357), and on the next lap after that, I was MORE than 0.5 seconds behind this new record in a mid lap sector, but instead of just pressing "retry" I continued... Oh and on the exit of the back straight I must have done something right, lots of speed there, and whooops. I overtook that previous "gold lap", and crossed the finish line in a new personal record, now 1.35.120...This means that I suddenly was more than 0.7 seconds better than the old record from last lap, just by one super exit (+0.5 secs behind +0.2 secs in front is more 0,7 secs)...This also proves how coincidental my driving is, so now I feel stupid about my idea about "the playstation and it`s bits and bytes"... (Hey thanks a lot for not throwing big rocks in my head for that one by the way )

A few more attepts, and right now, or a few moments ago, I finally beat that 1.35 limit by a good margin. Down to 1.34.535 now... That might be nothing for You guys, but to me it`s WOW.. I feel like a GOD And I`m ranked 314 right now... Oh I don`t use AS or trac or anything. Just ABS1 on my old Sixaxis...Not driving anymore today. Oh and about my new personal record... There`s A LOT of tail wagging and small-skidding going on... More stability please...

 

[Brewguy44]

Used @01Michael tune and got Gold with a 1:42 👍 Then tried @praiano63 tune and got 1:41 👍 Cheers to both of you, Great tunes I love seeing the great racing and times happening on this time trial, the great back and forth in the posts between @Evo19uk and @01Michael just fantastic That's what its all about sharing. I'm good and I use a DS3 so I'm at a little disadvantage But as long as I can get gold and maybe a little better time with tunes so be it! I raise my glass of beer to all and to

 

[ODB]

Meanwhile in the grey masses another struggle is going on...

First I like to say thanks to mr Roweer 1 and mr numbnuts 70 for throwing me into that RX Base model...numbnut is right, it doesn`t spin out anywhere near the Aspartam stuff when flooring the throttle on exits. Much better car, so it is not the "exact same" as the yellow pill...

And then I will regret my previous post about "it must be the ps3/GT6 combo that is guilty of the big gap from the top drivers to me" - Nonsense...I can tell You this friends:

For the first: I was just driving a moment ago, and when driving, I tried to "feel" my left thumb...I realized it was very clumsy and nervous, sometimes in a degree that it was more or less coincidental if I made it through a curve or not...

For the second: I made a contemporarly new personal record (1.35.357), and on the next lap after that, I was MORE than 0.5 seconds behind this new record in a mid lap sector, but instead of just pressing "retry" I continued... Oh and on the exit of the back straight I must have done something right, lots of speed there, and whooops. I overtook that previous "gold lap", and crossed the finish line in a new personal record, now 1.35.120...This means that I suddenly was more than 0.7 seconds better than the old record from last lap, just by one super exit (+0.5 secs behind +0.2 secs in front is more 0,7 secs)...This also proves how coincidental my driving is, so now I feel stupid about my idea about "the playstation and it`s bits and bytes"... (Hey thanks a lot for not throwing big rocks in my head for that one by the way )

A few more attepts, and right now, or a few moments ago, I finally beat that 1.35 limit by a good margin. Down to 1.34.535 now... That might be nothing for You guys, but to me it`s WOW.. I feel like a GOD And I`m ranked 314 right now... Oh I don`t use AS or trac or anything. Just ABS1 on my old Sixaxis...Not driving anymore today. Oh and about my new personal record... There`s A LOT of tail wagging and small-skidding going on... More stability please...

Really nice improvement!!! It's great feeling isn't it? And the way you made your current record tells me you could be much faster still, it's just going to take some effort and you will probably mess up plenty of good laps and get really frustrated in the progress, but when you manage to improve you'll feel like god of thunder once again!!! It's actually really addictive so it's on your own risk, there's plenty of horror stories of people going totally mad for grinding 60hours a week just for a nother tenth (AKA "the next tenth syndrome" )

 

[Stotty]

And stotty doesnt usually use it... Last few he has...

I use it when it makes me quicker. Although I do like the way it 'feels'

I don't have the time to flip between AS/no AS (lucky if I get a couple of hours on a TT), so anything that helps me get to my potential quickly I'll use.

 

[IBZ6L20VT]

I could only put a few miles on this TT yet, so I fell behind top guys. I can only be amazed of how fast you got in this TT .

I ran with AS off, and I don't know how it goes with AS strong, but with it turned off, the line betweeen grip and slip is thin as a hair.

 

[Ronin_GTDave]

I do and i will mate. Met some good people on here that id definately call mates and its great community so no other place id rather be playing.. But just to prove a point... AS back on 5 laps, 1.31.961... Just a bit too easy, but with AS off its just a little too difficult atm for me. Maybe i should be running with it on mild haha tried it before but it just felt like strong... Like a switch... Its either on or its off... Theres no inbetween to me

Congratulations for breaking the 31s, it doesn't really matter how you got there, PD allowed the option for AS to be used, so if you want to use it, why not?
I completely agree with everything you've said on the subject so far, it's the reason I won't use it. I probably take GT far to seriously but for me, using AS would just make me feel like I haven't done the lap myself, can't say I haven't been tempted though, just to see if it would make me any faster but then, I see the likes of @RacingLine set the times he has and that's who I want to test myself against.

Personally, if someone wants to use AS and they set a top time, that just adds incentive for me to try harder to beat them. At any rate, this is a debate that will always happen, I've had it with the members of RoninGT, I've had it here with GT5 and I'm sure we'll all be talking about it again at some point with GT7, it's just one of those things lol.

Getting back on topic, todays target, break the top ten (without AS).

 

[ODB]

I could only put a few miles on this TT yet, so I fell behind top guys. I can only be amazed of how fast you got in this TT .

I ran with AS off, and I don't know how it goes with AS strong, but with it turned off, the line betweeen grip and slip is thin as a hair.

Heh yeah, it's always nice to see your whole friend list so far ahead Still week to go though so no need to panic, yet And I really have to give it to @SW__10 for amazing record, I have yet to stay on your speed trough that first tight right hander Pretty freakin impressive, like all you guys getting even close to 31's Looking at SW__10 lap it really looks more controlled trough the whole lap that I can hit one corner

And looking back to that rather notorius LFA event that was couple of months a go on this same track, this car really feels like it has AS AND TC on all the time, it's just so stable, and for that reason I really doubt that AS plays that huge of a role in this event... But yeah, could be that I'm wrong, so it's interesting to see how it goes if you try it!!

 

[Evo19uk]

Congratulations for breaking the 31s, it doesn't really matter how you got there, PD allowed the option for AS to be used, so if you want to use it, why not?
I completely agree with everything you've said on the subject so far, it's the reason I won't use it. I probably take GT far to seriously but for me, using AS would just make me feel like I haven't done the lap myself, can't say I haven't been tempted though, just to see if it would make me any faster but then, I see the likes of @RacingLine set the times he has and that's who I want to test myself against.

Personally, if someone wants to use AS and they set a top time, that just adds incentive for me to try harder to beat them. At any rate, this is a debate that will always happen, I've had it with the members of RoninGT, I've had it here with GT5 and I'm sure we'll all be talking about it again at some point with GT7, it's just one of those things lol.

Getting back on topic, todays target, break the top ten (without AS).

Great way of looking at it and i have always had that whole 'well half the top ten use it so why not?' Basis, ill just push on this event and see if can get up there without it after iv reached my peak. 1.32.289 so far best without it

 

[GTFireball]

I think you could say that about anything though mate. Abs? That's an aid. Even having a wheel is an advantage over ds3 users. Hell a t500 is a big advantage over a 5 year old rattly DFGT.

I think each to his own. But shooter, rajman and stotty would have something to say about their laps meaning nothing

At age 62 with a DFGT lashed to a wobbly folding card table the best I can do is a 1:35.85 so far, so yeah a little AS and a bit of TC (untrainable right foot) are "aids" for sure . At some point I need a proper "cockpit" but probably not for GT6.

01Michael, thanks for the tune, and top drivers thanks for the racing lines!

 

[Roweer1]

Having accidentially driven quite a lot both with and without AS, here's how i experience the difference: I feel like i have to leave a bit of extra space/time for AS to react on my steering inputs, thus making my turn-ins less sharp -i think i'm loosing time in the two lefthanders at the beginning because of that. On the other hand, i can be more aggressive on the throttle, leaving the turns: When driving DS3 with on/off throttle ("X"-button), you don't have to delicately "pump" the throttle so much when leaving turns; you can just mash it and you can easily save what little slide there may be. Gaining time especially in the sharp turn 2 there. I'm not prepared to say AS is faster with a gradual throttle, but for me, having spent 3 hours yesterday, AS off -with no luck, The result after a couple of hours with AS Strong, speaks for itself: I got a 1:32.091. That's a .226 improvement. I was going to say i'm amazed at the size of my improvements (always improving 0.2 or more), but then i look at @Ronin_GTDave's improvements -now THAT'S amazing 👍

@light driver : Seeing as you regarded my advice as an order: Shouldn't you then follow it and use the right car? Best of luck further on with the Base Model 👍

 

[Growling]

I need to try it with on Strong by the looks of it..

 

[Ronin_GTDave]

Great way of looking at it and i have always had that whole 'well half the top ten use it so why not?' Basis, ill just push on this event and see if can get up there without it after iv reached my peak. 1.32.289 so far best without it

I got GT6 in December having had a year off the PS3 completely due to moving home complications and in-laws, if you had offered me a 1:32.289 then for this TT i'd have taken it, it's a top 1% time (probably), that being 1% of drivers can get it, can't really complain about that lol.

Now however, I'm on a 1:31.692 for 12th, and I'm not happy.

@Roweer1 thanks mate, but I'm having to work for it and may end up losing my missus over it lol.

 

[RyanRacer]

This is impossible. Perhaps I'm being too conservative or cautious in the wet, but this is isn't working. My times are actually better with the low stage turbo, even though @RacingLine is using the high stage one. I did get oil change, I did repair the car when needed, but I can only get 1:32.8. Do you need to improve body rigidity too? I'm also only running ABS 1 like most.

 

[Ronin_GTDave]

This is impossible. Perhaps I'm being too conservative or cautious in the wet, but this is isn't working. My times are actually better with the low stage turbo, even though @RacingLine is using the high stage one. I did get oil change, I did repair the car when needed, but I can only get 1:32.8. Do you need to improve body rigidity too? I'm also only running ABS 1 like most.

I'm using the low rpm turbo but didn't change the oil, I'm not using body rigidity improvements either, it does get frustrating though, I'm at the stage now where it's the corner exits (traction) which are costing me the chance to challenge @RacingLine, almost certain it's something in the diff or gear ratios, just can't for the life of me figure it out.

Keep at it buddy, it'll come.

 

[Mr P]

I drove this event for the first few days without AS and it was fine... after a while I tried it with AS on and it seemed slightly easier to me and more consistent, I'm not blessed with mountains of free time since I run a club full time with the missus, anyway the time I have free for gaming I don't want to plug away for hours at a time and the assisted steering on this particular combo makes life a tad easier 👍
Even though it's switched on it doesn't mean my PS3 drove my best lap

Use it or don't use it the choice is open and not something to non directly belittle people' efforts that have used it... that's just a bit of an elitist attitude 👎 Just like condiments for your fish and chips use them or don't the choice is yours.
Anyway some Great lap times being posted in here guys.. that's with and without the naughty switch

Cheers

 

[WhoosierGirl]

I drove this event for the first few days without AS and it was fine... after a while I tried it with AS on and it seemed slightly easier to me and more consistent, I'm not blessed with mountains of free time since I run a club full time with the missus, anyway the time I have free for gaming I don't want to plug away for hours at a time and the assisted steering on this particular combo makes life a tad easier 👍
Even though it's switched on it doesn't mean my PS3 drove my best lap

Use it or don't use it the choice is open and not something to non directly belittle people' efforts that have used it... that's just a bit of an elitist attitude 👎 Just like condiments for your fish and chips use them or don't the choice is yours.
Anyway some Great lap times being posted in here guys.. that's with and without the naughty switch

Cheers

I LOVE this post! I get PSN messages sent to me commenting on what aid/transmission/car I may or may not be using and I am totally stealing you "fish and chip's" analogy. Many 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 to you Sir.

 

[Evo19uk]

Erm so... Is that BrunoGT lap legit? And racinggold?

 

[Evo19uk]

I drove this event for the first few days without AS and it was fine... after a while I tried it with AS on and it seemed slightly easier to me and more consistent, I'm not blessed with mountains of free time since I run a club full time with the missus, anyway the time I have free for gaming I don't want to plug away for hours at a time and the assisted steering on this particular combo makes life a tad easier 👍
Even though it's switched on it doesn't mean my PS3 drove my best lap

Use it or don't use it the choice is open and not something to non directly belittle people' efforts that have used it... that's just a bit of an elitist attitude 👎 Just like condiments for your fish and chips use them or don't the choice is yours.
Anyway some Great lap times being posted in here guys.. that's with and without the naughty switch

Cheers

Belittling is not what i intended or would ever think about doing? If that was my aim i would have been calling myself... I wrote it as if i was speaking aloud to myself...

I wish id never bothered trying to put my opinion/thoughts across. Wont be saying anything like that again.
All iv ever done since iv been on here is praise how helpful and nice the people are and how enjoyable it is to be here... And MOAN purely about how bad my own driving skills are

 

[Mr P]

Belittling is not what i intended or would ever think about doing? If that was my aim i would have been calling myself... I wrote it as if i was speaking aloud to myself...

I wish id never bothered trying to put my opinion/thoughts across. Wont be saying anything like that again.
All iv ever done since iv been on here is praise how helpful and nice the people are and how enjoyable it is to be here... And MOAN purely about how bad my own driving skills are

Don't take it personally mate it was just a comment towards the overall AS subject, If I had an intention of directing it at one individual I would have quoted or pointed a finger Everyone has an opinion and not everyone will agree... that's life eh? 👍

 

[Ronin_GTDave]

Erm so... Is that BrunoGT lap legit? And racinggold?

Have you watched his replay?

Doesn't look right in the slightest.

 

[Growling]

I, and I'm sure everyone else knows you're a 'good guy' on here @Evo19uk Don't sweat it mate. Maybe the 'lap means nothing with AS' rattled a few cages, but this is a discussion forum.. We're discussing

Just to poke the fire even more, I had a run with AS on strong instead of mild, and it's so different.. Managed a 1:31.928, and that wasn't with the best sectors.. I would even say mild is more similar to off than it is similar to strong

Oh, and both the top 2 are clearly cheats.. What on earth are they getting out of it?

 

[GTsail]

Erm so... Is that BrunoGT lap legit? And racinggold?

If BrunoGT is Brunoblak then the lap is probably hacked:tdown:

The following is from an earlier Seasonal:

so mean I make cheating a time that is only a few hundredths ahead of 2nd? And the second is not cheated? very strange that, is a pity that they have a closed mind as to what is in the shipping of your eyes!