BMW Concept 1 Series tii Super Lap

[Dalone]

You'll get more torque using isometric exhaust manifold and tuned intake, with standard exhaust. The gearing on my tune (above) works well with that.

I tried your tune Jbaffoh however I didn't find it faster than the one I'm currently using. In fact Cargo was sometimes in front of me at the 1st roundabout (L/hander) and I was never able to beat him to the second one down the bottom or beyond.
With the tune I'm using Cargo is never in front of me at the 1st roundabout (L/hander) and I often beat him out of it and to the bottom (2nd roundabout ) and then on to the next few turns.
MY tune is based on Silver Dragons but I can't remember now what I have changed. Anyway here it is in case you would like to see how I reach 1:30.09, and I have been 3 tenths quicker.

PP 410
max power 312 bhp
weight 1226
dist 51 - 49
power to weight 3.92 kg/bhp

Suspension
100 - 85
6.50 - 9.00
8 - 3
3 - 8
4 -4
0.0 - 0.0
-0.20 - 0.00
BB 6 - 9

LSD 5 - 15 - 10 - triple plate clutch and carbon prop.

Power
Sports Computer
Sports Exhaust
Limiter 92.1%

Body
3rd stage weight reduction
Window weight reduction
Ballast 5kg @ -19.

Gears
1. 4350
2. 2875
3. 2267
4. 1882
5. 1600
6. 1375
F 2660
Max 200km/h (min)

I just looked at Silver Dragons tune (posted in the tunes section page 1) and my tune bears little resemblance to his now, gears are different, LSD is different as is some of the suspension as well as the weight, power etc etc.

Edit...1:29.984.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I tried your tune Jbaffoh however I didn't find it faster than the one I'm currently using. In fact Cargo was sometimes in front of me at the 1st roundabout (L/hander) and I was never able to beat him to the second one down the bottom or beyond.
With the tune I'm using Cargo is never in front of me at the 1st roundabout (L/hander) and I often beat him out of it and to the bottom (2nd roundabout ) and then on to the next few turns.
MY tune is based on Silver Dragons but I can't remember now what I have changed. Anyway here it is in case you would like to see how I reach 1:30.09, and I have been 3 tenths quicker.

PP 410
max power 312 bhp
weight 1226
dist 51 - 49
power to weight 3.92 kg/bhp

Suspension
100 - 85
6.50 - 9.00
8 - 3
3 - 8
4 -4
0.0 - 0.0
-0.20 - 0.00
BB 6 - 9

LSD 5 - 15 - 10 - triple plate clutch and carbon prop.

Power
Sports Computer
Sports Exhaust
Limiter 92.1%

Body
3rd stage weight reduction
Window weight reduction
Ballast 5kg @ -19.

Gears
1. 4350
2. 2875
3. 2267
4. 1882
5. 1600
6. 1375
F 2660
Max 200km/h (min)

I just looked at Silver Dragons tune (posted in the tunes section page 1) and my tune bears little resemblance to his now, gears are different, LSD is different as is some of the suspension as well as the weight, power etc etc.

You can't really judge the tune in relation to where your at on the track as compared to me and I'll tell you why. I have very little time/experience on this track therefore I am still in the process of getting down the best driving lines and braking points. That is why you may be ahead of me at certain parts of the track. I can tell you that the parts where you describe that you are ahead of me are the exact parts where I am losing time due to not establishing proper lines or braking points. I have made gains in those parts (.200-.350) only to lose it in the final chicane. Bottom line Dalone, you can't judge a tune based on what you are saying...too many other variables. I just think you're looking at this all wrong. Just some friendly advice.

 

[yannagas]

You can't really judge the tune in relation to where your at on the track as compared to me and I'll tell you why. I have very little time/experience on this track therefore I am still in the process of getting down the best driving lines and braking points. That is why you may be ahead of me at certain parts of the track. I can tell you that the parts where you describe that you are ahead of me are the exact parts where I am losing time due to not establishing proper lines or braking points. I have made gains in those parts (.200-.350) only to lose it in the final chicane. Bottom line Dalone, you can't judge a tune based on what you are saying...too many other variables. I just think you're looking at this all wrong. Just some friendly advice.

last chicane is a maker or breaker in this one. One can gain or loose as much as 4-5 tenths here and up to the finish line, easy. Actually its worth to setup the whole car for this section as the rest of the track is easier to adapt to.

 

[Dalone]

You can't really judge the tune in relation to where your at on the track as compared to me and I'll tell you why. I have very little time/experience on this track therefore I am still in the process of getting down the best driving lines and braking points. That is why you may be ahead of me at certain parts of the track. I can tell you that the parts where you describe that you are ahead of me are the exact parts where I am losing time due to not establishing proper lines or braking points. I have made gains in those parts (.200-.350) only to lose it in the final chicane. Bottom line Dalone, you can't judge a tune based on what you are saying...too many other variables. I just think you're looking at this all wrong. Just some friendly advice.

Don't know why you would presume I have had more experience at this track than yourself Cargo, furthermore, I certainly have not reached my limit as yet and are also still looking for the best braking points and driving lines.
And clearly you can take some corners far better with your wheel than I can with the buttons on the controller, especially the sweeping ones where pushing a button is not conducive to making a smooth turn.
But I do my best with what I am using and am not claiming a handicap because of it.
Finally, yes, you remain a faster driver than myself.

Yannagas said; last chicane is a maker or breaker in this one. One can gain or loose as much as 4-5 tenths here and up to the finish line, easy. Actually its worth to setup the whole car for this section as the rest of the track is easier to adapt to.[/quote]

I find that if I come to the corner in 3rd and change to 2nd entering it, then coast through the L/hander a bit (and straighten up) before applying the throttle heading to the line makes a quicker exit, whereas if I try and push too hard into and out of it I will usually end up over steering on exit and losing time.

 

[Jbaffoh]

Cargo's suspension is better than mine using his assists. But you said you wanted more power. I showed how to gain more torque (you won't get more hp without increasing weight), and I offered you a close ratio gearbox that fits the torque. Use his suspension, come up with your own LSD and brake balance, and blow the humble cargo dude away! I don't yet have the talent.

Cargo's tune turns in much better than mine--which is key. Mine accelerates out better than his. Those traits can be wed.

 

[yannagas]

yes what this chicane needs is a suspension that will absorb the curbs yet remain positive and firm to steering changes, brakes that will just position and rotate the car a bit for entry, a proper 2nd gear so : you don't drop out of torque or slow down during that split second of coasting, quite some rpm headroom in the torque band to pull you out, and a matching 3rd and 4th gear to quickly accelerate you to the finish line. LSD is also key here,all its parameters, so basically the whole car setup needs to be involved to flatten out this chicane.

 

[Dalone]

Cargo's suspension is better than mine using his assists. But you said you wanted more power. I showed how to gain more torque (you won't get more hp without increasing weight), and I offered you a close ratio gearbox that fits the torque. Use his suspension, come up with your own LSD and brake balance, and blow the humble cargo dude away! I don't yet have the talent.

Cargo's tune turns in much better than mine--which is key. Mine accelerates out better than his. Those traits can be wed.

'Blow the humble dude away'. Sounds like a plan, one I'll certainly be working towards, ha ha.
Regarding the hp and weight business, I prefer lower weight and hp than the alternative here. Have tried going up but always came back down again and found it better. I appreciate your advice though Jbaffoh and will look at what you say.

 

[yannagas]

Hey Dalone, I wish you chase that Rat off ,out of the track, and make him run back in his Rathole, that way I wont be seeing that annoying cargo blue line in front of me

 

[Lorenzo1201]

@Lorenzo1201 Can you tell us what parts of the two tunes you mixed?

EDIT: 29.6xx starting to mod the suspension and lsd, I think Madrid is getting addictive

hi friend: gears made from myself. Spring rate, extention, compression and roll bar from lisanorm. The rest, including ride height and lsd, from cargoratt. Of course, I've made more little adjustments to adapt car to my driving style

 

[Dalone]

Hey Dalone, I wish you chase that Rat off ,out of the track, and make him run back in his Rathole, that way I wont be seeing that annoying cargo blue line in front of me

Ha ha, I doubt that will happen any time soon Yannagas. But I like seeing Cargo in front of me, in fact he is now the only one in front as I removed some drivers on my friend list who were about my level or better and often blocked the road ahead with their lines.
Cargo is my target and keeps me keen, pretty sure you see it that way too, aye!

 

[yannagas]

Ha ha, I doubt that will happen any time soon Yannagas. But I like seeing Cargo in front of me, in fact he is now the only one in front as I removed some drivers on my friend list who were about my level or better and often blocked the road ahead with their lines.
Cargo is my target and keeps me keen, pretty sure you see it that way too, aye!

Yep! I only wish he had those assists off (AS and ABS 10) he would be easier to catch. We are very close time wise in most of the TT's, right now i'm just on him most of the lap but he keeps getting away by braking late (abs) and accelerating early (as) in this turn or the other... anyway its a nice challenge trying to do it manually

 

[Roweer1]

easy gold with this
sports hard
weight stg 3 + window
trip clutch + carbon shaft can swap to twin clutch as well if want
sports exhaust......power 98.3% EDIT: you can also try intake tuning, power @ 90.3%
480 pp...314 bhp...weight 1221...balance 51:49 power with change 308 bhp, torque a bit higher
suspension EDIT: also other bits i change should also make it easier for some
90/90 85/85
5.09/8.10 same
9/4 8/9
8/5 7/6
6/4 6/4
0/0 same
-0.14/-0.09 -0.16/-0.18
brakes 10/8
lsd.....8/34/6 changed to 8/16/24
trans...final 5000...top speed 200 kmh
1:2586 2586
2:2039 2039
3:1644 1676
4:1339 1361
5:1105 1105
6:0937 0937 final now at 3864
final...3770 EDIT: you can change this i only did it rough at the time
ballast 0@0
now i can not remember if i changed oil
tip: give handbrake a tap around the sharpies
i'm no tuner but i got gold easy so if it helps some peeps... go for it

Thanks for the tune! Did a 1.28.936 with it (1st edition) on my DS3 -and still a couple of tenths to gain. Can't get to your BHP though, i think i'm at 310. So i'd say you didn't do an oil change -cos' i did, and i can't see any other differences...

 

[Special 1]

Managed to get down to a 128.323, there is more time I can see maybe a tenth or two. It's going to be hard to get though as I am struggling to get the car to rotate for the sharper turns, turn 1 causing my latest problem.

When I first tried cargo's tune I was struggling to brake without losing control, I decided to take the toe back to stock which fixed the problem but now have the problem of trying to slow the car down and getting it to turn in.

Anyone have any ideas? I am currently running 4 and 6 brake balance, could I do anything to the B/B to help with my issues?

 

[MrGrado]

Go with even B/B and put toe out back in. Go from braking to coasting to braking through 1st corner to maintain control.

 

[nowayback]

Another very good tune @GTP_CargoRatt ! Few minor changes. Learning 1 turn at a time it seems. 1:29.559. 2nd to last turn to learn still . tyyyyy

1:29'014 @Roweer1 advice, ty

 

[Roweer1]

Another very good tune @GTP_CargoRatt ! Few minor changes. Learning 1 turn at a time it seems. 1:29.559. 2nd to last turn to learn still . tyyyyy

It's the roundabout, right? This is what i do: Brake late (like 5 meters before the curb that's "sticking out" on the right) to go wide in the roundabout. You may even have to downshift to 1st to decellerate sufficiently! Then -by shifting early up into 3rd- you can accelerate smoothly through the roundabout and carry a high speed Down towards the last chicane. Good luck!

 

[Special 1]

I would of thought with active steering I could probably get into the 127's..... but I prefer to torture myself, feels more of an achievement that way I was actually a couple of car lengths up on my ghost yesterday but bottled it on the final turn It's amazing how much time you can lose in that 1 turn

 

[Narrie82]

Am now at 245th place with a time of 1:30.182, DS3, TC1, ABS 1

Yes! Finally improvement again; 1:29.855 which places me as 254th.

And I took the lest big lefthander really crappy so there's still a lot of improvement

 

[ionstriker]

Actually till this seasonal event I never realized everyone was using srf lol

With out any aids I used to be around 4 to 5 seconds behind the leader.

Now stuck at 1:28:8xx just behind cargo losing time in the last chicane

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Actually till this seasonal event I never realized everyone was using srf lol

With out any aids I used to be around 4 to 5 seconds behind the leader.

Now stuck at 1:28:8xx just behind cargo losing time in the last chicane

Great lap mate 👍, guess I better get my ass moving.

 

[ionstriker]

I think Im just behind you on the Subaru lap too The last time i checked.

 

[Special 1]

Well I am really struggling to beat the 128.3 I currently have, had the odd couple of chances to but buckled under the pressure

Need to find a way to get the car to turn in better, using toe doesn't seem to be the answer. Seems like it affects the cars grip levels far to much.

 

[Roweer1]

Actually till this seasonal event I never realized everyone was using srf lol

With out any aids I used to be around 4 to 5 seconds behind the leader.

Now stuck at 1:28:8xx just behind cargo losing time in the last chicane

Great lap mate 👍, guess I better get my ass moving.

Hope you two don't mind that i squeezed myself in between you with a 1.28.892 I can now see a possible 1.28.5, still using lisanorm's tune.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Hope you two don't mind that i squeezed myself in between you with a 1.28.892 I can now see a possible 1.28.5, still using lisanorm's tune.

Not at all mate, the more in the competition, the better. 👍

 

[Otaliema]

I totally overhauled my tune for the FITT challenge it's designed for NO SRF but doing some arcade mode testing with SRF enabled my feeble skills got me a 1:30.xxx with it.
Concept Series 1 tii FITT and Seasonal 480PP Just a note there is one setting that must be adjusted for SRF use and that's the LSD acceleration setting, it is marked in the tune.

 

[Rubencho]

easy gold with this
sports hard
weight stg 3 + window
trip clutch + carbon shaft can swap to twin clutch as well if want
sports exhaust......power 98.3% EDIT: you can also try intake tuning, power @ 90.3%
480 pp...314 bhp...weight 1221...balance 51:49 power with change 308 bhp, torque a bit higher
suspension EDIT: also other bits i change should also make it easier for some
90/90 85/85
5.09/8.10 same
9/4 8/9
8/5 7/6
6/4 6/4
0/0 same
-0.14/-0.09 -0.16/-0.18
brakes 10/8
lsd.....8/34/6 changed to 8/16/24
trans...final 5000...top speed 200 kmh
1:2586 2586
2:2039 2039
3:1644 1676
4:1339 1361
5:1105 1105
6:0937 0937 final now at 3864
final...3770 EDIT: you can change this i only did it rough at the time
ballast 0@0
now i can not remember if i changed oil
tip: give handbrake a tap around the sharpies
i'm no tuner but i got gold easy so if it helps some peeps... go for it

Thanks man! it really was an easy gold with your tune (the Edited one worked better for me)

 

[Otaliema]

Tune updated, 1.33.xxx with out srf.according to a friend that tested the tune out for me.
Confirmed ran a 1.34.xxx consistently with it. Popped SRF on and cleared a 1.32 with lots of room to improve.

 

[Dalone]

Tried Lisanorm's tune (edited one) however found Cargo was often with me up the top at the 1st roundabout with her power settings. I had already changed the tranny to the one I was using (well nearly, didn't get 5th and 6th correct) and used Sports Computer and Sports Exhaust to give 311hp and no weight added, 91.8% power.
In any case shaved a couple of hundredths off after 3 or 4 runs, now at 1:29.964, so credit to Lisa there.

 

[lisanorm]

Tried Lisanorm's tune (edited one) however found Cargo was often with me up the top at the 1st roundabout with her power settings. I had already changed the tranny to the one I was using (well nearly, didn't get 5th and 6th correct) and used Sports Computer and Sports Exhaust to give 311hp and no weight added, 91.8% power.
In any case shaved a couple of hundredths off after 3 or 4 runs, now at 1:29.964, so credit to Lisa there.

LOL, sorry my id does that peeps think i'm a girl,its just how i set up my psn account the misses and me,but thats ok,anyway my tune isnt the fastest it was more for peeps like me who struggle to get gold,i try and set them up that way just to help,for i too struggle dont get much time to practice,and dont know the in's and out's of what does what just play around till i can drive it well glad some of it helped........fast lines mate

 

[Dalone]

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LOL, sorry my id does that peeps think i'm a girl,its just how i set up my psn account the misses and me,but thats ok,anyway my tune isnt the fastest it was more for peeps like me who struggle to get gold,i try and set them up that way just to help,for i too struggle dont get much time to practice,and dont know the in's and out's of what does what just play around till i can drive it well glad some of it helped........fast lines mate

Be that as it may be Lisanorm however from reading posts here quite a few people here who have decent times have based their tune on yours.
Kids are in bed and I have done another 6 laps and improved to 1:29.715, (# 264) over 2 tenths better.
Apart from using my gears (don't know where I got them from) I use LSD 8 -16 -12, sports computer and exhaust, power 314hp, 92.5%, ballast 15kg @ 50 with your suspension.
Using that tune I am ahead of Cargo or right with him until about last big roundabout where he just takes it so much better than I can using the DS3.
Anyway I reckon you have done a pretty good job with your tune and thanks for that Lisanorm. Or is it just Norm?