BMW Concept 1 Series tii Super Lap

[Pizzle13]

i used gtp_cargoratt´s tune on this one (thanks)
the fastest i got was 01:29,5xx
even tho i couldnt set up the gear ratios the way he posted, i dont know why.
made everything step by step like power upgrades first etc, but still i cant get the exact ratios.

i tried to improve the time to get atleast under 29 but it doesnt wanna come together for me
01:29,5xx is probably the fastest i can go in this seasonal

 

[Special 1]

Now down to a 128.231, just looked at my sector times and they are poor compared to my best sectors. If I can put my best sectors along with a decent last corner I think I could get a around a 127.9 maybe even a high .8. It's so tough to put it all together though

I can see the handbrake is probably very effective, but there's no way I feel like trying to learn that tactic.

Good luck to all the other guys still running this one, I myself am not giving up yet

 

[lisanorm]

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Anyway I reckon you have done a pretty good job with your tune and thanks for that Lisanorm. Or is it just Norm?

Either mate it don't matter and thanx 👍

 

[nowayback]

Finally broke 29 at 1:28.815 just coasted practically through the last chicane , just to make sure I didn't mess it up. Very difficult track, but fun......till last sector. Too many turns to get right.....Probably done here

 

[Dalone]

Another couple of tenths, 1:29.543 pos# 233. Tried other brake balances and for this one used cargo's 5 - 6, although he may have changed his since.

Nowayback, I use either 2nd or 3rd to negotiate that last chicane. Usually come out of it in 2nd but sometimes I have found staying in 3rd is just as good if not better. And surprisingly, if I don't push it too hard I seem to do better.
Cargo gets away from me at that last roundabout, never sure whether to drop down to 1st to kick the back around or stay in 2nd.
I have found however that at the roundabout at the bottom if the hill, if I can power down and slide around it I can stay in front of Cargo, albeit just a tad.
And congratulations, a great time there, one I would certainly be happy to settle on.

Edit, credit where credit's due, I was just looking at Cargo's tune again to see if he had changed his brake balance ( he hasn't) however realised it is his gears I have been using all this time.

 

[Roweer1]

Hats off Dalone; You're getting fast with the buttons on this one 👍

About that last roundabout: Just in case your considering of going into 1st there, has anything to do with the advice I gave Nowayback: I won't recommend going into 1st in order to kick it around; i only recommend to use it as "brake assist" if you're not spot on with the tricky braking here -and only in a straight line! I think you need to be in second before you start turning -and then, even quickly in third for a smooth acceleration and a good pace towards the chicane. I "made friends" with Cargo the other day, and yes, he is quick in that roundabout; I think it's the delicate throttlecontrol from the pedals...(+Wheel)

As for the other roundabout, I think you're right: A fraction of sliding helps you round and -it's tricky, but- it seems you can make some use of the inner curb for that.

Minimal improvement last night. 1.28.867 -but enough to say: Your move Cargo!

 

[ionstriker]

Hey guys I just improved my time from 1:28:8xx to 1:28:4xx just by improving my transmission settings so if anyone wants to give it a go here it is
First reset to default
Move final to 3.833
Move Max speed fully left
1--3.843
2--2.902
3,4,5,6 are all completely towards right
Then move final to 2.171
Now this is only good for a rolling start cause it won't give you a good launch cause of less power. But it definitely gives you good acceleration 👍

 

[ionstriker]

And about that roundabout what worked for me is that I did some late braking and went almost till that green area and from there just full throttle towards the exit,well atleast that's how im doing it

 

[ionstriker]

@Dalone I'm using the ds3 too so if you're using the arrow buttons then try using the analogs. You can clear that roundabout with good lines.

 

[Roweer1]

@ionstriker Great lap -will try your gears 👍

Also using DS3, i can almost maintain full throttle through the roundabout -by way of early shift to 3rd and maintaining full grip. Do you do it otherwise?

A friendly advice: use your EDIT-button. Mods are not happy with double-/tripleposts!

 

[Special 1]

Now down to a 128.168, can see a couple more tenths still but so difficult to put together, poor sector 1 and 2 again but managed to nail the last turn.

 

[Dalone]

Thanks for that gee-up Roweer, it all helps. Doubt I'll see the day I'm troubling yourself though. Regarding the gears on the last roundabout, I expect I change down quickly to 2nd at entry and then get into 3rd as soon as possible, but I'll try shifting up earlier and see how that goes.
I have found that I am sometimes still in 3rd near the exit of the 1st roundabout however always change down to 2nd to leave, mostly go around that in 2nd however use 1st too when I think it will help.

And Ironstriker, will try your gear set up too, good to see new options here all the time. About using the analogs, doubt I could change to them now (even for just one corner), been using the buttons since Gran Turismo came out.
Great to see a few DS3 players doing well.

Oh, regarding poor sectors as mentioned by Special 1. After the 1st roundabout, when your first time comes up (sector1?), if I'm much over a 1/10th of a second behind Cargo I usually start again as I know I can often be in front of him at that point and can't see the benefit of continuing from a position of disadvantage.
Also I have found, and I think someone else mentioned this earlier, that I prefer to do single laps rather than consecutive ones as I find I'm usually quicker that way. Warming up the tyres doesn't seem to help me at all with this one.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Ahhhh you guys, I'm totally exhausted, put in about 6 hours on this today with nothing to show for it. I've been up on my ghost by a good margin at times, only to lose it all in the last sector. So, so frustrating. This track has always presented problems for me, going all the way back to GT5's beginnings. I've always dreaded this track just for that reason, it always seems to bring out the worst in me.

One thing I did learn today though, I had left my ABS on 10 from earlier testing and after turning it back down to 1, I did seem to get around the track better on an overall basis. ABS 10 seems to be only beneficial on tracks with mainly high speed corners and not so much on more technical tracks like this. Shocking revelation I know and probably something most of you already knew, but my dumbass just now came to that conclusion.

Anyway, just needed a few minutes break and time to vent a little. Thanks for listening, time to get back at it. Sooner or later, something's gotta give. Btw, my odometer says 2,672 miles , kinda embarrassing with what little I have to show for all that effort.

Peace and congrats on everyone's progress so far, way to stick with it you guys.

 

[Teitzy]

First session with Mitch's tune I managed a 129.100 with a few red 128.xx laps. Altered the BB, LSD & softened the rear springs a bit so it's a bit more stable under braking. I'd say 128.4xx is possible for me but still learning the track Thanks for the tune mate 👍

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

First session with Mitch's tune I managed a 129.100 with a few red 128.xx laps. Altered the BB, LSD & softened the rear springs a bit so it's a bit more stable under braking. I'd say 128.4xx is possible for me but still learning the track Thanks for the tune mate 👍

Your welcome and congrats on your progress so far. 👍 Keep at it, I know you can do better mate.

 

[ionstriker]

@ionstriker Great lap -will try your gears 👍

Also using DS3, i can almost maintain full throttle through the roundabout -by way of early shift to 3rd and maintaining full grip. Do you do it otherwise?

A friendly advice: use your EDIT-button. Mods are not happy with double-/tripleposts!

haha thanks for that tip i was on my phone so i get lots of glitches while trying to edit stuff
and i use automatic cause it suits me here.Only use manual for particular cars.

@Dalone yea i used to use the buttons till gt2 but then shifted to analog in gt4 cause it feels much easier and smoother.
i too do single laps instead of consecutive ones but in case i"m a bit slower than my ghost at the first sector i still continue cause you may never know what can happen,like i did that and got 1.28.8 even though my ghost was a bit faster in the first sector.Then a few tries later i was much faster than my ghost in the first sector and this made me be more careful not to mess up any other turn which actually improved my lap to 1.28.4 now currently at 1.28.365 #50 i think ill settle for that

 

[nowayback]

Ahhhh you guys, I'm totally exhausted, put in about 6 hours on this today with nothing to show for it. I've been up on my ghost by a good margin at times, only to lose it all in the last sector. So, so frustrating. This track has always presented problems for me, going all the way back to GT5's beginnings. I've always dreaded this track just for that reason, it always seems to bring out the worst in me.

Yes your best time so far you had a brilliant last sector. It has messed up many of my lap times knowing that. You must have about .3 to .5 in you still

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Gave it a run with @GTP_CargoRatt's tune and got down to a 1:32.5 (no SRF).

But without SRF it didn't have the traction, set the toe to a more conventional setting and got down to a 1:31.7xx with a good 3/4 tenths left in with the current tune.

 

[Roweer1]

Ahhhh you guys, I'm totally exhausted, put in about 6 hours on this today with nothing to show for it. I've been up on my ghost by a good margin at times, only to lose it all in the last sector. So, so frustrating. This track has always presented problems for me, going all the way back to GT5's beginnings. I've always dreaded this track just for that reason, it always seems to bring out the worst in me.

One thing I did learn today though, I had left my ABS on 10 from earlier testing and after turning it back down to 1, I did seem to get around the track better on an overall basis. ABS 10 seems to be only beneficial on tracks with mainly high speed corners and not so much on more technical tracks like this. Shocking revelation I know and probably something most of you already knew, but my dumbass just now came to that conclusion.

Anyway, just needed a few minutes break and time to vent a little. Thanks for listening, time to get back at it. Sooner or later, something's gotta give. Btw, my odometer says 2,672 miles , kinda embarrassing with what little I have to show for all that effort.

Peace and congrats on everyone's progress so far, way to stick with it you guys.

What are you talking about mate? I remember you once wrote that you go for every 1/1000 of a sec -then why not recognize it when you get it? Cos if i'm not mistaking, you DID improve (by about 3/100)!? Not much, but enough to put you back on top of my FL....

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

What are you talking about mate? I remember you once wrote that you go for every 1/1000 of a sec -then why not recognize it when you get it? Cos if i'm not mistaking, you DID improve (by about 3/100)!? Not much, but enough to put you back on top of my FL....

Yes, I did improve by like .054 yesterday, but to me that's really nothing to write home about, especially after all the effort I've put in so far. I'll take it yes, but not happy with it. Coming out of the first corner/hairpin alone, I have came out of there up by as much as .273, only to gradually lose it all by the time I get back around. Really frustrating but yes, I'll keep going, getting every last .001 that I can. Its people like you who continually push me to my limits that I really owe my improvements to so for that I say thanks.....thanks for the friendly/fun competition. 👍 Hopefully we can both benefit from it and each of us become better in the end.

 

[Otaliema]

The two places I lose it to @GTP_CargoRatt are the first hair pin and the last round about, he just nails them. It's a great run you have there cargo. I know that frustration your feeling with being ahead after the first hair pin only to come up short, I've been ahead of my self by .8 at that turn only to slowly lose it through the rest of the track. Can't relax if your ahead gotta push like your chasing your dinner.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

The two places I lose it to @GTP_CargoRatt are the first hair pin and the last round about, he just nails them. It's a great run you have there cargo. I know that frustration your feeling with being ahead after the first hair pin only to come up short, I've been ahead of my self by .8 at that turn only to slowly lose it through the rest of the track. Can't relax if your ahead gotta push like your chasing your dinner.

Thanks for the kind words, appreciate it. If only I could finally nail everything together, I might have something, but until then.........

 

[teth75]

So, What is the best tune for this seasonal? Anybody out there with a helpful link would be much appreciated.

 

[yannagas]

So, What is the best tune for this seasonal? Anybody out there with a helpful link would be much appreciated.

best tune is one somebody else is driving! Have a look at the OP, and decide for yourself! Then you can tell us which suits you best!

 

[teth75]

Found a good link for anybody else who needs it

https://sites.google.com/site/gt6tunes/seasonals

 

[Special 1]

I have tried a few of the tunes posted but seem to be quicker using Cargo's tune, the car feels great I can see a bit more time in it to possibly make it into the 127's but suffer in the same ways as others have posted. I would love to know where the guys above me are finding all this time. I have noticed compared to the top guys that it's impossible to hold the same speed as they are in certain corners, they must have a very good tune to be able to maintain those speeds.

Will keep trying and have another go tonight but I can't see much more than a high 127.9. One corner I am really struggling with is the last of T2, I keep getting sucked in towards the barrier on exit

Thanks again to Cargo for the tune, would love to try out the car some of the top guys are driving just to see if I could improve.

Do the top guys ever post their setups?

I have made small changes to cargo's car, nothing major though

 

[Otaliema]

Something I've found with this car while tuning it is it suffers from poor outside front grip, so high negative front toe medium stiff dampers and soft spring is a good way to help it out, just have to toy with the settings to you find one that will keeps the nose stuck to the track, the top guys are also experts at using SRF to help hold a line at a higher speed than us mortals.

 

[chrishagan]

So, What is the best tune for this seasonal? Anybody out there with a helpful link would be much appreciated.

I'm in the same boat as you m8, I can only get 0.7 seconds off gold, it's the same with the Subaru and the fxx tt.
I just can't beat silver, I'm totally gutted because I've played gran turismo since the first one and class myself as an ok player.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Something I've found with this car while tuning it is it suffers from poor outside front grip, so high negative front toe medium stiff dampers and soft spring is a good way to help it out, just have to toy with the settings to you find one that will keeps the nose stuck to the track, the top guys are also experts at using SRF to help hold a line at a higher speed than us mortals.

I have been experimenting with the front end settings myself. I have found that front damper settings of around 4/7, 5/8, and even 5/9 prove to be helpful along with softer springs. High to-in also helps in my case, we're talking between 40-60. Its a little unstable under braking, but if you can control it, it will definitely pay off. 👍

@Special 1 Glad you like the tune and good to see its helping you out. 👍 Great job on your lap. 👍

 

[Special 1]

I have been experimenting with the front end settings myself. I have found that front damper settings of around 4/7, 5/8, and even 5/9 prove to be helpful along with softer springs. High to-in also helps in my case, we're talking between 40-60. Its a little unstable under braking, but if you can control it, it will definitely pay off. 👍

@Special 1 Glad you like the tune and good to see its helping you out. 👍 Great job on your lap. 👍

Thanks Cargo

Once you've finished playing with your new settings is there any chance of trying them? I may need to tweak it a tiny bit for myself as I am still running without active steering, I found with your settings i'm using now that they suited the active steering as I was more able to control it, without though and the cars a completely different beast which becomes twitchy under braking, the braking distances seem to be a fair bit longer as well in my opinion.

I may not get a chance to run it for a day or 2 now as I have noticed some creaking coming from my wheel base when turning to the left. Not a big problem though as a bit of research told me that the allen key bolts needed tightening as the power of the wheel ffb makes the come loose. At the moment I can't find an allen key the size I need to tighten them up and don't want to make matters worse, will hope to find myself the correct equipment tomorrow.

A real shame as I was looking forward to trying to get into the 127's tonight