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[Beeblebrox237]

Have either of you ever drivn a GTR? I haven't, but they are supposed to be fairly fun, or at least the newer ones are. There are cars I'd rather have, but it is certainly an incredible machine.

 

[playnthru]

I'm sure on a track, at 10/10 it's fun..But it's not my idea of a drivers car. It's a car I would never wish to own. I laugh every time I see one (most driven by old people).

And as stated, people seem have this concept that it's the fastest thing on the planet. (V-Tech syndrome Yo )[yes I know it's doesn't have Honda's v-tech].

Why do we need to love GT-R's? Some people still like to shift gears manually.

 

[niky]

How can a car be over-rated when it does exactly what it says it will do on the package? If there's any reason to hate the GT-R, it's because it isn't as pure a driving experience as, say, a Miata, but if you're looking for a rollercoaster, there are few that are as rollercoaster-y at the same price.

 

[magpie1997]

I really don't like this car, the HSV E3. I'm not saying it's bad but I'm Australian and I hate being labelled a yobo, a bogan or anything like that through what we drive and especially from majority of the bull that comes out of Jeremy Clarkson's mouth!

Not my favorite hsv but won't go to the extreme of hate. See where you are coming from though. Can't stand those day lights makes it stand out too much. But what do you think of the E1 personally I love it.

Will be interesting to see what HSV do with the VF

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

Have either of you ever drivn a GTR? I haven't, but they are supposed to be fairly fun, or at least the newer ones are. There are cars I'd rather have, but it is certainly an incredible machine.

Three times, one stock on the street, one stock on private land and another slightly modified (decat, remap, filter, soft compounds) on a track day. Great on the country roads, amazing performance, so effortless, but also so very boring in comparison to most other sports cars that i've driven.

It's a thrill to go fast, but for me a big part of driving fast is the satisfaction of having complete control over the car without electronic interference. I'm certainly a purist in that respect.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

Three times, one stock on the street, one stock on private land and another slightly modified (decat, remap, filter, soft compounds) on a track day. Great on the country roads, amazing performance, so effortless, but also so very boring in comparison to most other sports cars that i've driven.

It's a thrill to go fast, but for me a big part of driving fast is the satisfaction of having complete control over the car without electronic interference. I'm certainly a purist in that respect.

Cool 👍 I agree with you, I do prefer having more control, hence the avatar.

 

[E28]

However, that's not the worst part. The worst part is how it has joined the ranks of the Veyron in car discussion 'top trumps'. People who know nothing about cars drop it into any conversation they can, as if it is the be-all, do-all of the automotive world.

Ah yes, those people. The ones who pretend to know everything, but when you ask them about something that isn't a Ferrari, Lamborghini, GT-R or Veyron they get pretty confused.

My pet hate is bottom spec BMW's. With M-Badges plastered all over. Idiots seem to buy 318i's with the flashiest rims they can afford and the M-Sport kit, then tint the windows as dark as possible, before plastering it in '//M' and '//M-Power' badges. Then people go 'Ooh, look at that M3!', generally the same people who talk about Veyron's and GT-R's all the time.

 

[cgg]

You say driven by old people, but they are the only ones who can afford insurance. An 18 year old on an R32 GTR Skyline is £50,000. There's no need to be so surprised about old people driving them.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

You say driven by old people, but they are the only ones who can afford insurance. An 18 year old on an R32 GTR Skyline is £50,000. There's no need to be so surprised about old people driving them.

Which is a load of balls, to put it nicely. £50,000 to insure an R32 at 18? Did you cherry-pick the highest insurance quote you could find? Do you live on an MoD firing range or something?

Your typical 18 year old driving a GTR is asking for trouble. Once you reach mid-20's the insurance becomes much more reasonable if you are a careful driver. My friend had a GT-R (R35) by his 23rd birthday and insurance was £2.5k iirc. Not bad in my opinion.

95% of people I see driving Skyline GTRs are under 50 years old. I'd hardly call them old people, mainly just people who have worked hard to be in that position.

 

[MisterWhiskers]

Which is a load of balls, to put it nicely. £50,000 to insure an R32 at 18? Did you cherry-pick the highest insurance quote you could find? Do you live on an MoD firing range or something?

Your typical 18 year old driving a GTR is asking for trouble. Once you reach mid-20's the insurance becomes much more reasonable if you are a careful driver. My friend had a GT-R (R35) by his 23rd birthday and insurance was £2.5k iirc. Not bad in my opinion.

95% of people I see driving Skyline GTRs are under 50 years old. I'd hardly call them old people, mainly just people who have worked hard to be in that position.

Imagine an old lady driving a 1000 hp Skyline. I would pay double to see that! But seriously, you have a point.

 

[playnthru]

The first GT-R I ever saw was driven by old lady in her 60's? Most that I see are in fact.👍

Still never waste my money on it, it's not my idea of a drivers car.👍

 

[homeforsummer]

My pet hate is bottom spec BMW's. With M-Badges plastered all over.

I can agree on that one, though I have a fondness generally for bottom-spec stuff. I've been looking at E36s recently and it's amazing how nice a standard, unadorned car can look if it's in good condition.

For me, Kei cars are only any good in a tight urban environment where their tiny engines and small size work very well. Take them out of the city and frankly, they are useless. The performance is pathetic when you want to get a move on and you need to rev the nuts off the engine to get any decent poke out of it, which will result in suffering fuel economy.

Also, some 'sporty' Kei cars like the Cappuccino and Copen are simply too small for some people over 6 feet tall to drive around in. Then theres the styling; these cars do not look cute to me, they are just bug-eyed little runts that try to tempt us away from regular city cars.

I must say sir, that's a well-rounded argument, based, I presume, on having driven several Kei-cars both in their intended urban environment and out of town. On that evidence, I can only conclude you're correct.

I'm not convinced by Kei cars and it will be unlikely that I will drive one in real life.

...ah no wait, you've never driven one. Unfortunately I must now conclude you've formed all your opinions on Kei-cars based on Gran Turismo, invalidating their real-life relevance.

 

[AudiMan2011]

Truth is, kei cars in Britain are rare to come by but I have seen a couple around before and I still hate them.

 

[phil bell]

Three times, one stock on the street, one stock on private land and another slightly modified (decat, remap, filter, soft compounds) on a track day. Great on the country roads, amazing performance, so effortless, but also so very boring in comparison to most other sports cars that i've driven.

It's a thrill to go fast, but for me a big part of driving fast is the satisfaction of having complete control over the car without electronic interference. I'm certainly a purist in that respect.

Well just because it's not a Ferrari F40 in it's driving experience, is that a reason to "hate" it?

And since someone mentioned something about faked out BMW's with fake M badges,etc...
Nothing irks me more than those Lancer GLX or Corollas over here with MASSIVE wings and ghetto body kits.

 

[Zenith]

Truth is, kei cars in Britain are rare to come by but I have seen a couple around before and I still hate them.

Truth is you have no freaking clue what you're talking about.

65hp in a <1 ton car is easily enough for highway use.

Personally, I don't hate any cars. I hate it when people who have never even sat in a car, let alone owned one, feel qualified to dismiss them based on engineering principles that they're too ignorant to understand.

 

[Kaelsberg]

...65hp in a <1 ton car is easily enough for highway use...

Yeah, ever tryed a overtake in such a car, at highway speeds? 👎

Overtaking in low hp cars, can be a nasty nightmare - you really must think twice and read the traffic in a special way due too lack of response off car.

Besides if you are driving on the highway for a long time at 120-130 km/t in a car that maxes out at 150 - It will "resoult" in one thing (Broken engine).

If you really choose too take it on the highway, you got one safe option: INSIDE LANE, stay there. With the trailer-qeens, Lorrys and busses 👍

 

[Zenith]

Yeah, ever tryed a overtake in such a car, at highway speeds? 👎

If you really choose too take it on the highway, you got 1 option: INSIDE LANE.

Overtaking in low hp cars, can be a nasty nightmare - you really must think twice and read the traffic in a special way due too lack of response off car.

What is your experience driving these sorts of cars? I have driven a half dozen sub-80hp ~1 ton cars on the highway. Every single one had plenty of overtaking power. Highway driving is ridiculously easy and requires little power.

Besides if you are driving on the highway for a long time at 120-130 km/t in a car that maxes out at 150 - It will "resoult" in one thing (Broken engine).

You must have no clue how transmissions or engines work.

 

[Kaelsberg]

Ive broken 3 low hp cars on highway driving. All off them was underpower, never broken one that had a "normal" powered engined. But thats my driving style, when i want to overtake i wanna pass quick and get back in my lane, dont like rolling by the car im overtaking with 2.5km/t. Thats what Lorrys do, and i belive that ls called blocking =)

Also been on Autobahn in Germany with a 55hp VW Polo - That was a NO GOOD Experience. their speed is a bit bigger, so you really need a lot of room to build up your speed meanwhile gotta Watch your mirrors and check you can do the pass(Those germans can quickly come from behind). Not saying, its difficult, but it ruins my highway flow when i cant just check in the mirrors, push pedal and pass. It stresses me i guess.

You must have no clue how transmissions or engines Work - Says the man that thinks every car in the World is build too take max rpm´s for 8 hours straight!

But let´s drop it there, wont explain my self too some one who can have a highway blast in a **** box that think its build for LeMans. (Sorry)

 

[Zenith]

Ive broken 3 low hp cars on highway driving. All off them was underpower, never broken one that had a "normal" powered engined. But thats my driving style, when i want to overtake i wanna pass quick and get back in my lane, dont like rolling by the car im overtaking with 2.5km/t. Thats what Lorrys do, and i belive that ls called blocking =)

You broke the powertrains or drivetrains of three cars by driving them on the highway? Time to reevaluate your driving style.

Also been on Autobahn in Germany with a 55hp VW Polo - That was a NO GOOD Experience. their speed is a bit bigger, so you really need a lot of room to build up your speed meanwhile gotta Watch your mirrors and check you can do the pass(Those germans can quickly come from behind). Not saying, its difficult, but it ruins my highway flow when i cant just check in the mirrors, push pedal and pass. It stresses me i guess.

You wanting to be able to overtake without checking your mirrors doesn't mean that Kei Cars are "city use only".

You must have no clue how transmissions or engines Work - Says the man that thinks every car in the World is build too take max rpm´s for 8 hours straight!

But let´s drop it there, wont explain my self too some one who can have a highway blast in a **** box that think its build for LeMans. (Sorry)

Funny. I never said anything about driving a car at maximum revs. Just one post ago you were talking about driving a car that tops out at 150kph at 120 kph. That's not topping out at all.

I remember the Austin Mini that I drove on the highway was doing about 3,000 RPM at 75mph. That's hardly pushing the engine. Speed does not equal engine stress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_ratio

 

[niky]

Ive broken 3 low hp cars on highway driving. All off them was underpower, never broken one that had a "normal" powered engined. But thats my driving style, when i want to overtake i wanna pass quick and get back in my lane, dont like rolling by the car im overtaking with 2.5km/t. Thats what Lorrys do, and i belive that ls called blocking =)

If you've broken three cars on the highway, you've got to figure the common denominator is the person behind the wheel.

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I've driven low powered cars.

I've driven lots of low powered cars.

My job is driving cars. In the city, on the highway, on the racetrack. I've driven at 120-140 km/h on the highway with small cars. None of which even get close to redline at those speeds. I've driven them on the racetrack. with no problem. I've driven them sideways with no issues at all.

Hell, I just finished doing that this afternoon. Nothing is quite as satisfying as jumping a 700 kilogram buzzbox from kerb to kerb through a good set of esses at full chat. The most drama we had was when I missed a shift and bogged in third thanks to a horribly stretchy clutch cable...

I've even driven them at redline without blowing them. If you can blow a small car engine at a mere 140 km/h, you're doing something horribly, horribly wrong.

 

[Pagey279]

My job is driving cars. In the city, on the highway, on the racetrack. I've driven at 120-140 km/h on the highway with small cars. None of which even get close to redline at those speeds. I've driven them on the racetrack. with no problem. I've driven them sideways with no issues at all.

I hope you don't mind me asking but what is your job? I'm just curious

 

[Guardian]

An 18 year old on an R32 GTR Skyline is £50,000.

I believed this for 2 seconds, and was all ....

Then I thought about it, and PMSL.
Did you, as mentioned before, pick the highest priced insurer?

 

[Tornado]

I hope you don't mind me asking but what is your job? I'm just curious

My years and years of interacting with niky has led me to believe that all of his experience with driving all sorts of cars is because he leads a car theft ring.

 

[Kaelsberg]

You broke the powertrains or drivetrains of three cars by driving them on the highway? Time to reevaluate your driving style.

Yes broke 3 cars out of 11. Sure, dont treat em like some thing they are not. And no old <60hp car is meant for long or high speed driving on the highway.

You wanting to be able to overtake without checking your mirrors doesn't mean that Kei Cars are "city use only".

Damn NO, I ALWAYS CHECK mirrors,- I want be able to over take with speed, with out a insane run up"! - Thats what i meant.

Funny. I never said anything about driving a car at maximum revs. Just one post ago you were talking about driving a car that tops out at 150kph at 120 kph. That's not topping out at all.

I remember the Austin Mini that I drove on the highway was doing about 3,000 RPM at 75mph. That's hardly pushing the engine. Speed does not equal engine stress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_ratio

Did 130km/t in my Polo for several hours deffently killed my Polo. Too high rpms over to long time will kill anything independant off speed, yes.

 

[Kaelsberg]

120-140 km/h on the highway with small cars. None of which even get close to redline at those speeds

Polo Steilheck 2 1,3 55Hp, 4 gears - Redlines at 150km/t

Ford Escort MK 4 1,3 60Hp 4 gears - Redlines at 150km/t

 

[niky]

And why, pray tell, would any sane person drive a car at over 5,000 rpm for several hours?

You know what engine is built to go near redline for several hours at a go? A race engine.

You know how long race engines last? About thirty hours, tops.

There is no street engine in the world built to be driven close to redline for that long a period of time.

Again... the problem isn't the car...

I hope you don't mind me asking but what is your job? I'm just curious

My years and years of interacting with niky has led me to believe that all of his experience with driving all sorts of cars is because he leads a car theft ring.

Shhhh!

I'm a former road-test editor for two different Asian websites, a former contributor to Thetruthaboutcars.com, and currently a road-tester and contributor for Top Gear, as well as a technical tester (test driver, data recorder, statistician, troubleshooting, etcetera) for the Philippine Car of the Year, for three years running.

Of course, my day job is pushing pencils. All the motoring writing just pays for gasoline.

 

[Lock2Lock]

1998 Ford Taurus = worst made short cut taking care out there

 

[D778i]

Utterly awful

I just cannot see anything beatiful in this:tdown:👎 Nearly as ugly as Miura.

 

[Zenith]

Yes broke 3 cars out of 11. Sure, dont treat em like some thing they are not. And no old <60hp car is meant for long or high speed driving on the highway.

Yes they are. You just can't do it without breaking it. I could break an Audi A8 on the highway if I was dumb enough to redline it the whole time.

Did 130km/t in my Polo for several hours deffently killed my Polo. Too high rpms over to long time will kill anything independant off speed, yes.

Then stop driving it at the redline! Shift into a higher gear or slow down. 75mph is plenty for highway cruising. Kei cars are easily able to handle 75mph+.

 

[Pagey279]

And why, pray tell, would any sane person drive a car at over 5,000 rpm for several hours?

You know what engine is built to go near redline for several hours at a go? A race engine.

You know how long race engines last? About thirty hours, tops.

There is no street engine in the world built to be driven close to redline for that long a period of time.

Again... the problem isn't the car...

One of the very annoying things about owning a Civic. I've got a 2004 Civic Sport, redline is at 8000rpm, and with the short ratios usual motorway cruising speed is around 6000 rpm in top gear. I normally have to slug it out with the lorries, old people and caravans in the slow lane.

Shhhh!

I'm a former road-test editor for two different Asian websites, a former contributor to Thetruthaboutcars.com, and currently a road-tester and contributor for Top Gear, as well as a technical tester (test driver, data recorder, statistician, troubleshooting, etcetera) for the Philippine Car of the Year, for three years running.

Of course, my day job is pushing pencils. All the motoring writing just pays for gasoline.

Wow, cool job, I'm jealous 👍