Turn the environmental effects down under 'force feedback options' , it should solve the problem.
F1 201X - Updates & News DiscussionF1 2010-2016
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Turn the environmental effects down under 'force feedback options' , it should solve the problem.
I'm quite pleased with the "understeer" model. It's quite easy to see how one can take advantage of the poor tire model in both F1 2011 and GT5.
There's a lot more going than that which meets the eye - without slip angle being modeled graphically (though it may be in some degree from a physics perspective) steering input being used in-game compared to steering angle allowed and present in reality is hard to judge. However, watching a good amount of hot lap videos shows how easy it is to take advantage of a tire model that rewards the idea that more steering input yields more turn-in. Compare some of the fastest hot lap videos to real onboards and sure, the lap times, car-track positioning and gear changes line up. But more often than not, turn-in seems massively overaggressive. It doesn't end at turn in either, mid corner, speed scrubbing steering angle is easy to find. Who can blame them? If the model rewards this driving style with low lap times, why stop?
A huge difference for a formula 1 car comes in the area of aerodynamics. Codemasters are trying to capture that difference, i.e. GIGANTIC drop-off in tire grip levels as the speed is reduced, especially at hairpin, +100kmh turns. Unfortunately, a move towards this idea hasn't been received well on the interwebz.
Now I'm not saying all of the fastest hot laps on GT5 and F1 2011 are poor, overly aggressive, unrealistic attempts that fall short of reality. I'm simply saying: maybe a Formula 1 car is an understeering pig when several thousand pounds of downforce are suddenly gone.
There's a lot more going than that which meets the eye - without slip angle being modeled graphically (though it may be in some degree from a physics perspective) steering input being used in-game compared to steering angle allowed and present in reality is hard to judge. However, watching a good amount of hot lap videos shows how easy it is to take advantage of a tire model that rewards the idea that more steering input yields more turn-in. Compare some of the fastest hot lap videos to real onboards and sure, the lap times, car-track positioning and gear changes line up. But more often than not, turn-in seems massively overaggressive. It doesn't end at turn in either, mid corner, speed scrubbing steering angle is easy to find. Who can blame them? If the model rewards this driving style with low lap times, why stop?
A huge difference for a formula 1 car comes in the area of aerodynamics. Codemasters are trying to capture that difference, i.e. GIGANTIC drop-off in tire grip levels as the speed is reduced, especially at hairpin, +100kmh turns. Unfortunately, a move towards this idea hasn't been received well on the interwebz.
Now I'm not saying all of the fastest hot laps on GT5 and F1 2011 are poor, overly aggressive, unrealistic attempts that fall short of reality. I'm simply saying: maybe a Formula 1 car is an understeering pig when several thousand pounds of downforce are suddenly gone.
- 753
well i find this game really weird
on pad it drives normally, but on wheel ... that's completely different story
i mean how hard can it be to simplify the steering settings? polyphony digital made it very easy for gt5 users, all get the same steering settings. why can't codies make steering as close as possible to reality?
so i am still looking for the solution to understeer and wobbly feeling
on pad it drives normally, but on wheel ... that's completely different story
i mean how hard can it be to simplify the steering settings? polyphony digital made it very easy for gt5 users, all get the same steering settings. why can't codies make steering as close as possible to reality?
so i am still looking for the solution to understeer and wobbly feeling
- 28,352
- Brooklyn, NY
- KR_Viper
- I Renown I
My settings.
My settings.
Hey T-12, are you using a wheel? If you are do you find that hitting a rumble strip makes it sound as if your wheel is been shaken to death?
- 28,352
- Brooklyn, NY
- KR_Viper
- I Renown I
At times, yes.
- 3,385
- Kings Lynn.
- Dixon_F1
I have mine on 100% 100% 100% lol.
It must be how I set it up otherwise then, or something else I'm not aware of.
- 3,509
- Cumberland, BC
- GTP_BlacqueJack
My G25 wheel settings are 90, 90 and 60 so far.
Feels like the car is 'skating' at all speeds; even using 'balanced' setting; but you do get used to it.
I do like the new menus and graphics appear improved (ps3)
Feels like the car is 'skating' at all speeds; even using 'balanced' setting; but you do get used to it.
I do like the new menus and graphics appear improved (ps3)
- 165
- Varde/Denmark
- tex-1965-2007
hmm i think about the "A" superlicense and "B" superlicense... what does that do. is there big team contract offer hidden in a or b?
- 35
Suprised no ones mentioned the dreaded slippery apexes, ive been caught out a fair few times at turn 5 after taking the kerbs a bit too aggressively. I think i can feel steering lag and it might explain why the cars oversteering. Not overly happy with physics and the way the games coded for wheel users. Hype job akin to F1 2011 👎
MagpieRacer
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- 17,453
- Wymondham, Norfolk
- Seagull_Racer
Its good that it punishes you for abusing rumble strips, you have to think carefully about attacking them. Like real life.
- 35
Im not so sure. The car should feel unsettled if you ride the kerbs aggressively but it shouldnt automatically put you into a spin. Its F1 2010 all over again and to be honest i prefer the feel of that game over F1 11 & the 2012 Demo.
- 15,532
- Cairo, Egypt
- GTP_SEMS
ENTERSANDMAN13
These and T12s settings are a big big improvement
- 110
- Copenhagen
- Medno84
- Medno84
SKIDMARX
Don't worry, I have the same problem on my G27. Had the same problem on 2011 and that's why I just turned the environment completely off!!! Annoying that I can't feel the curbs that much but I would rather keep my wheel healthy for a longer time. Seriously, it really gets crazy when the environment is turned on.
TomMcD
Well I'm getting used to the new handling model and the game seems to be getting more and more attracting the more I play it. I just hope they increase the AI difficulty for the full game because it is way too easy at the moment and the AI brake at some really weird places.
Did you try Sandman or T-12's wheel setups?
- 5,717
- England
I did, and much of my own tweaking on top of that when things still didn't feel right. I wasn't very keen on buying it anyway (have a 2 year rule in general when it comes to sports games) since I bought 2011 so it's not a massive deal that I dislike it this time around.
- 2,047
- New Zealand
- TIZZLAA
I would love to see a video of you doing this.
I mean it can be done, but it's not remotely realistic. It's not a flick spin but more of a slow understeer progressing into a slow drift like your stuck in mud.
Same physics problem with doing a donut, does not work properly.
Not a huge deal, but just shows how unrealistic the physics are. Unless there is some hidden driver aid...
- 753
I am using Sandman's and T-12's settings, I only set steering linearity to 13 and it feels better ... but still I think there is a little bit too much understeer sometimes. Also at some points wheel kicks left and right for no reason at all (Yas Marina straights for example).
I just hope they get it right in the full game.
I first tried the demo with pad and it felt quite good, but when I pluged in steering wheel ... just not right feeling.
I just hope they get it right in the full game.
I first tried the demo with pad and it felt quite good, but when I pluged in steering wheel ... just not right feeling.
Carlos
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- 6,453
- Netherlands
Little bumps?
- 611
- Aliso Viejo, CA
- Renown787B
Its very interesting to hear all these varied opinions regarding the F1 2012 DEMO. IMO I have found this installment (again based on the demo so far) to be the best in terms of FPS, graphics and handling. Keep in mind Im solely speaking about the PS3 version and its only my opinion =)
I dont have a XBOX. Dont care for the available wheel options. I only play racing games with a wheel. Its more fun and immersive to me that way =)
I dont have the PC version. I dont care to build or upgrade a PC just for the latest eye candy. Thats just a money pit. LOL
Some have complained about the graphics. Since were on a GT5 forum, nothing will compare graphically (console wise) to that game, so I keep my graphics expectations to what Codies have done with their other titles.
Handling wise, I think its the best theyve done, but YOU MUST play with the setting to get what you want out of it. Weve had to do it for the last two versions. Why should 2012 be different? Thank goodness they give us the sliders to play to our hearts content on the feel. I think FANATEC owners have it even better as they can tweak beyond the sliders with the hardware settings on their wheels. Personally, I think thats awesome, but I realize not everyone has or wants that solution.
I will concede the F1 cars under steer like mad when using the hand controller, but again why would you play a racing game with a pad when wheels are so much fun.
My two cents to keep the opinions flowing. =)
I dont have a XBOX. Dont care for the available wheel options. I only play racing games with a wheel. Its more fun and immersive to me that way =)
I dont have the PC version. I dont care to build or upgrade a PC just for the latest eye candy. Thats just a money pit. LOL
Some have complained about the graphics. Since were on a GT5 forum, nothing will compare graphically (console wise) to that game, so I keep my graphics expectations to what Codies have done with their other titles.
Handling wise, I think its the best theyve done, but YOU MUST play with the setting to get what you want out of it. Weve had to do it for the last two versions. Why should 2012 be different? Thank goodness they give us the sliders to play to our hearts content on the feel. I think FANATEC owners have it even better as they can tweak beyond the sliders with the hardware settings on their wheels. Personally, I think thats awesome, but I realize not everyone has or wants that solution.
I will concede the F1 cars under steer like mad when using the hand controller, but again why would you play a racing game with a pad when wheels are so much fun.
My two cents to keep the opinions flowing. =)
- 3,385
- Kings Lynn.
- Dixon_F1
Its the marbles offline.. especially on the 3rd back straight, the marbles are rediculous! lol
I believe the full game will feel better, Hood said they would be working on demo feedback asap before release.
The understeer is fine. You don't have to turn the wheel that hard when entering a corner. Just take it easy and turn harder as you go in to the corner. That worked well for me. Braking seems less forgiving than in 2011. The curbs are also less forgiving.
The framerate is excellent compared to 2011. Only slight FPS drops on some parts, but nothing too drastic. I have the PS3 version.
The only problem I have is the wheel weight. I feel no resistance at all when making slight adjustments at fast speeds. It's hard to keep the car going straight. Everything is set to 100% in the FFB settings.
Overall, I'm really liking it right now. The young driver thing is a nice way to get started. It kinda reminds me of the licenses in GT
The framerate is excellent compared to 2011. Only slight FPS drops on some parts, but nothing too drastic. I have the PS3 version.
The only problem I have is the wheel weight. I feel no resistance at all when making slight adjustments at fast speeds. It's hard to keep the car going straight. Everything is set to 100% in the FFB settings.
Overall, I'm really liking it right now. The young driver thing is a nice way to get started. It kinda reminds me of the licenses in GT
