FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)
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The primary reason for the difference (I think) is that I didn't take the pictures myself. In GT5, one out of ten pictures that were carefully shot in the game were good enough to work with... Given the same amterial from FM4, I guess it woouldn't look any worse.
If (and that's the biggest issue here) T10/MS provide me with a way to get ahold if the pictures without too much compression. High res uploads to FM.net, please!
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As long as I can get photo's like that without compression I will be a happy man. F3 pics turned out really nice if you spend the time, only to be ruined by artifacts and heavy compression. If they can deliver on the shots given, F4 will be at least where the GT5 Travel photomode is.
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Ok, now this is a very quick attempt in gimp (and I'm very much a beginner), but if you were to look quickly at this image would you think it was a real car?
Changes I made to the image:
Added stationary wheels
Added scenery through windows
Changed Shadow detail
This is the Forza 4 M5 transplanted onto a real scene, replacing the car that was there. I haven't touched up the car image itself at all other than the above.
I'd say Forza 4 is definitely on par with GT5 here at least at the same distance from the car anyway.
Oh and yeah the reflections look way off due to being from the track...
Changes I made to the image:
Added stationary wheels
Added scenery through windows
Changed Shadow detail
This is the Forza 4 M5 transplanted onto a real scene, replacing the car that was there. I haven't touched up the car image itself at all other than the above.
I'd say Forza 4 is definitely on par with GT5 here at least at the same distance from the car anyway.
Oh and yeah the reflections look way off due to being from the track...
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Ok, now this is a very quick attempt in gimp (and I'm very much a beginner), but if you were to look quickly at this image would you think it was a real car?
Changes I made to the image:
Added stationary wheels
Added scenery through windows
Changed Shadow detail
This is the Forza 4 M5 transplanted onto a real scene, replacing the car that was there. I haven't touched up the car image itself at all other than the above.
I'd say Forza 4 is definitely on par with GT5 here at least at the same distance from the car anyway.
Oh and yeah the reflections look way off due to being from the track...
I'll tell you this, if I show that pic to anyone who hasn't been in these threads I'd very much doubt if 1 out of 100 could tell that was a fake.
I swear my first reaction was, "Wow someone found a pic of the real car in the same position as the FM4 pic. It looks dead on" lol
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Gt's lighting is near perfectly photorealistic. Thats one of the few things together with physics wich makes it so great. But i think and hope that Forza 4 will equel it in those departments too. đź‘Ť
Guess this is unreleased.
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I also notice that the GT version has the hood separated from the grill, which is the way it goes up in real life (it's not connected to the grill). The FM3 version has the hood and grill connected.
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If you look closely, the gap between the hood and grill is there in the FM3 picture, it's just smaller and thus, less easy to spot. And, well, the GT5 image is zoomed in a bit further...
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I see the tiniest possible sliver of a gap. But zoomed in or not, look at the body panel gaps...they are inconsistent with the gap above the grill. The GT5 gaps are much more consistent.
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There's another comparison that I was doing based on lap times with the same exact car. I've only done 2 cars on Laguna Seca and did so with controller. Need to put the same lap times in GT5 w/wheel but I no longer have a 360 wheel so it's not a direct comparison. Lap times so far were very close, off by 1-2 seconds and if I put in more time with laps the gap would probably be closer. To me 1-2 seconds isn't bad at all being 2 different games w/2 different engines, same track and same stock car. Very close, very comparable, very similar in driving but also some things that were a little different. Love Laguna Seca so I didn't have any problem doing many laps on it. The biggest differences in the tracks for me are one of the turns leading up to the Rahal straight and the turns after the cork screw. Cork screw also feels a little different.
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If it looks that good "off screen" its going to look even better in the game. Its really a no brainer since those are side by side comparisons.
Its a HUGE difference from Forza 3 to Forza 4 and yes it does indeed look better than GT5. Dang T10 truly nailed the lighiting and graphics in F4. I honestly dont think anything is going to touch Forza 4 anytime graphically in the next couple years. I think Shift 3 would probably be the only game that could come close. Shift 2 interiors look pretty dang good thats for sure.
I have been asking for a 2002 Ram Air Trans am and a 70 Cuda since F1 and they put both in Forza 3. T10 truly listens to the community. đź‘Ť
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Well I would hope so seeing as how GT4 was on the PS2. Forza 2 looked better than GT4. Did you mean to put GT5?
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Oops yeah meant GT5. Its just impressive the difference from Forza 3 to Forza 4 considering it only took 2 years to make. It just impresses me what T10 can do in 2 years. Especially compared to what GT5 did in what 5-6 years?
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Yeah, that is the truly impreessive thing right there. I still think it's a bit early to say so, but, looking at what we've seen from FM4, it really does put PD to shame, in my opinion.
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Yeah, I'm trying to keep the hype factor low with myself. I'm expecting some jaggies in the graphics. Don't think the 360 hardware can do but so much. We'll have to wait till the next console come out before we can get that ultra-smooth graphic ability. Nonetheless I'm definitely looking forward to the new lighting and tire physics. Three and a half more months to go before we get our grubby little hands on it though. lol
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Graphically, don't set yourselves up for disappointment people. Turn 10 pulled the wool over our eyes the last time.
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I don't think they did. They were saying that all press photos and images they released were taken directly from the game, unedited and even said they weren't bullshots (meaning post processed outside the game). What they didn't do is tell you what the in game race quality was like. Everyone just assumed that photomode shots were in game during game play.
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Actually, they did get caught lying....which is why the T10 community manager Che Chou had left the neogaf and FM.net forums....after stating that some of those images were not enhanced and that the quality of the photomode cars are what you would see in game.
I loved it when Che couldn't respond to this...this is what the car looks like right when you are about to take off...and then once the HUD loads up, the car takes a dramatic drop:
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I still think Forza 3 looks pretty dang good especially when you consider everything it can do and still hold 4,100 vinyls per car. Thats way beyond impressive and way beyond what any racing game has accomplished. Plus damage and everything else going on at the same time. So graphically I am still very happy with Forza 3 and I play it almost every single day. Its not as beautiful as GT5 Photo Travel mode but on track it looks better most of the time. Which is impressve for a game that only took 2 years. Its graphically impressive to me. (I am only comparing Premium cars so if we compared standard cars, F3 destroys GT5). So I am being fair and only comparing to the 20% of the cars that are premium.
Now it looks like they are taking that to a whole new level especially with lighting. And one thing to keep in mind, the truly amazing pics we have been seeing are ONLY going to look like that in Auto Vista mode. The rest of the game will look great, but the AUtovista is where the graphics destroy everything else.
So at this point there is no way I will be disappointed graphically. F3 looked great and everything I am seeing about F4 already looks better especially the lighting.
With that said, I really hope they do some sort of graphicaly upgrade with Maple Valley and a couple of the other tracks. Some of them really are looking dated.
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In this day and age, with youtube and a ton of other video sites easily accessible, I don't see why (and how) people are still judging a game based off of photos. And now, things are beginning to shift from videos to actual playable demos.
Screw photos. The only photo I want to see is the box cover. 2011! The year we go photo-less!
Screw photos. The only photo I want to see is the box cover. 2011! The year we go photo-less!
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Actually, they did get caught lying....which is why the T10 community manager Che Chou had left the neogaf and FM.net forums....after stating that some of those images were not enhanced and that the quality of the photomode cars are what you would see in game.
I loved it when Che couldn't respond to this...this is what the car looks like right when you are about to take off...and then once the HUD loads up, the car takes a dramatic drop:
This is a terrible example and it's not really noticable ingame. Also the glass is not black in either circumstances other than the window tint upgrade. (One off the things they claimed)
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