FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

[omgitsbees]

Here is where he said he will post a video; https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5979904#post5979904

 

[TT3AZ]

Huh, the only thing that is similar to forza 3 according to me regarding the physics is the traction when you launch, i dont like the tires getting loose that easily. In gt5 you can launch your car as you want, it doesnt matter if you wheelspin, your car stays in a straight line. I feel throttle controll is much more easy in gt5 some how.

@ saidur
"It is doable, one of my main complaints with Forza 3 and Forza 4 that traction is really high and cars are usually easy to keep in control." - Well, yes, but not on straight line man, thats where they screwed up i think.

 

[JDMKING13]

You are crazy... LOL..

FM4 is a nice improvement on FM3, but it still feels similar in many ways...

The same way that GT5 doesn't feel a million miles different to GT5p, just better in a few ways..

You sound like you wanted FM to feel GT or some other game, that was never going to happen.

Phil I wanted FM4 to feel like a simulator, your not going to get me on some fan boy stuff, as a game I never has a problem with FM series and they have improved many things in the series, its the driving that is killing me. 👍

 

[Spagetti69]

It is doable, one of my main complaints with Forza 3 and Forza 4 that traction is really high and cars are usually easy to keep in control.

Not knocking your opinion.

For every grippy comment there's a too slippy comment.

The reverse is true also.

 

[omgitsbees]

Huh, the only thing that is similar to forza 3 according to me regarding the physics is the traction when you launch, i dont like the tires getting loose that easily. In gt5 you can launch your car as you want, it doesnt matter if you wheelspin, your car stays in a straight line. I feel throttle controll is much more easy in gt5 some how.

The way GT5 does it though is not realistic. FM3's is a lot more real, and that's the only thing that matters.

 

[zr1chris]

The same way that GT5 doesn't feel a million miles different to GT5p, just better in a few ways..

I actually found GT5P to feel better for some reason.

 

[shintastic48]

I actually found GT5P to feel better for some reason.

They feel the same to me, in a good way because gt5p was nice

 

[TT3AZ]

The way GT5 does it though is not realistic. FM3's is a lot more real, and that's the only thing that matters.

Well, i dont know about that, regarding forza 3. In forza 3 it was impossible to keep the car straight when tires slipped, specially on rwd cars. That combined with drag mode, uhhhh hope we dont see problem in fm4.

 

[Vaxxtx]

It is doable, one of my main complaints with Forza 3 and Forza 4 that traction is really high and cars are usually easy to keep in control.

So a car that isnt easy to control = good physics?

Look, I was asking for a video from JDM (who said he will) when he said the 458 is able to be full throttle out of corners with tons of grip. Cool. I cant seem to do it and would like to see it done. I am not arguing over physics, so why do people keep quoting me, and bringing it up?

 

[omgitsbees]

Well, i dont know about that, regarding forza 3. In forza 3 it was impossible to keep the car straight when tires slipped, specially on rwd cars. That combined with drag mode, uhhhh hope we dont see problem in fm4.

It's not a problem because that's how it works in real life. If you floor it, you will lose grip. Its always bothered me in GT5 how much grip your car has, especially muscle cars.

 

[BryCivicSi]

Traction is high in Forza 4? Did you play the game or demo?

Sorry, i didn't check the STI but I assume it is AWD. And the Ferrari I bet has some really soft tires from the factory. Personally, those two factors alone, I wouldn't assume every car in the game handles the same.

 

[JDMKING13]

Here is where he said he will post a video; https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5979904#post5979904

I don't get it

It is doable, one of my main complaints with Forza 3 and Forza 4 that traction is really high and cars are usually easy to keep in control.

That's what I'm talking about. I love the 458 but driving it in Forza4 demo was a huge let down for me to give a comparison it was like driving on Sport Soft in GT5 so much grip in the stock form.

 

[zr1chris]

They feel the same to me

Don't get me wrong I totally believe you. I do think they are extremely alike. I just felt more connected to the road in GT5P. Maybe it's all in my head. idk. The biggest thing I noticed was I loved driving the Ferrari F1 car in GT5P. In GT5 I didn't like it half as much. The FFB to me wasn't the same. In GT5P it was intense and in GT5 it felt pretty ordinary and disconnected.

 

[omgitsbees]

I don't get it

So you deny saying the following; "I will post a video though when I get a chance to show you I'm not trolling i'm keeping it real." ?

It's in the quote, in the post I just linked. Did someone else post for you?

 

[shintastic48]

Don't get me wrong I totally believe you. I do think they are extremely alike. I just felt more connected to the road in GT5P. Maybe it's all in my head. idk. The biggest thing I noticed was I loved driving the Ferrari F1 car in GT5P. In GT5 I didn't like it half as much. The FFB to me wasn't the same. In GT5P it was intense and in GT5 it felt pretty ordinary and disconnected.

I could see where you get that. I have a Fanatec GT3. So i turned the FFB all the way up and it feels pretty good.

 

[JDMKING13]

So a car that isnt easy to control = good physics?

Look, I was asking for a video from JDM (who said he will) when he said the 458 is able to be full throttle out of corners with tons of grip. Cool. I cant seem to do it and would like to see it done. I am not arguing over physics, so why do people keep quoting me, and bringing it up?

Vaxxtx I got you man, you guys are putting me through hoops next time you claim something I'm going to make you post videos of it I have to drive to my bros house because he has my Xbox right now. I played all night at my house, but he has no system so I let him borrow it this morning. I will def show you what i mean though. 👍

@ Omg What are you talking about a member asked me to post a video which I don't want to do because My bro lives 30 min away from me, however I know If I don't post the people are going to come at me just as they did before.

 

[zr1chris]

I could see where you get that. I have a Fanatec GT3. So i turned the FFB all the way up and it feels pretty good.

It was with my DFGT. I will have to give it another go with the TurboS the morning of spec2 after I download the update since I hardly played any GT5 since getting my new wheel a few weeks ago.

 

[Spagetti69]

Well, i dont know about that, regarding forza 3. In forza 3 it was impossible to keep the car straight when tires slipped, specially on rwd cars. That combined with drag mode, uhhhh hope we dont see problem in fm4.

On launch with high power cars you get torque steer.

Try the Fanatec settings from Raudi.
Take off from launch without holding the wheel. Bang initially it turns right then the Torque alignment straightens out the wheel. I was surprised. Very good.

One other thing is that Forzas clutch is analogue. GT is digital. When doing the license tests I found that max throttle gave the best launch. A bit disappointed in that.

F1 2011 and other games use max throttle for best launch. Wish developers would look into this side of the game.
Add a bit of skill to the starts.

 

[omgitsbees]

Anyways, JDMKING13's lying and making up bullcrap aside, the physics in FM4 are very realistic. The GT5 Spec 2.0 update lists having an updated physics model, and it'll be interesting to compare GT5 with that update, compared to FM4.

 

[phil-t]

Phil I wanted FM4 to feel like a simulator, your not going to get me on some fan boy stuff, as a game I never has a problem with FM series and they have improved many things in the series, its the driving that is killing me. 👍

You wanted it to feel like your idea of a simulator... these are games we are talking about, all have many flaws as simulators..

Again, you've stated in black and white you prefer GT5 and go to that as its a better simulator (for you), yet as much as it does some things better then FM4, it also does many things wrong. (Or missing)....

All I'm saying is its just personal reference, you insist that its all absolute..

Anyhoo.. I'm OK that your opinion is you don't like it.. We all like different things, but arguing its anything other then preference will just run and run..

 

[shintastic48]

It was with my DFGT. I will have to give it another go with the TurboS the morning of spec2 after I download the update since I hardly played any GT5 since getting my new wheel a few weeks ago.

I don't know much about the Turbo S. That's the cheaper alternative to the GT3 and 2 right? Does it have the ability to adjust settings on the wheel?

 

[zr1chris]

I don't know much about the Turbo S. That's the cheaper alternative to the GT3 and 2 right? Does it have the ability to adjust settings on the wheel?

The TurboS is actually a limited edition wheel that has the same exact internals as the GT2. The only thing different is the wheel rim itself. Leather vs Alcantara being the main one.

 

[shintastic48]

The TurboS is actually a limited addition wheel that has the same exact internals as the GT2. The only thing different is the wheel rim styling. Leather vs Alcantara being the main one.

I must be thinking about the Carrera?

 

[zr1chris]

I must be thinking about the Carrera?

Yeah, i was actually going to put that in my post. The Carrera is the cheaper one that you are thinking of which is only PS3 and PC compatible. The TurboS is also xbox 360 compatible just like the GT2.

 

[JDMKING13]

You wanted it to feel like your idea of a simulator... these are games we are talking about, all have many flaws as simulators..

Again, you've stated in black and white you prefer GT5 and go to that as its a better simulator (for you), yet as much as it does some things better then FM4, it also does many things wrong. (Or missing)....

All I'm saying is its just personal reference, you insist that its all absolute..

Anyhoo.. I'm OK that your opinion is you don't like it.. We all like different things, but arguing its anything other then preference will just run and run..

I don't like the driving that's it FM as a game is great, driving In My opinion has to improve. Do you have all the FM games BTW?

Also Phil to be honest with you it was nice to debate with you If I called you anything or made you feel a certain way I am sorry, you are the few people on here who can actually debate like an adult. 👍

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Huh, the only thing that is similar to forza 3 according to me regarding the physics is the traction when you launch, i dont like the tires getting loose that easily. In gt5 you can launch your car as you want, it doesnt matter if you wheelspin, your car stays in a straight line. I feel throttle controll is much more easy in gt5 some how.

@ saidur
"It is doable, one of my main complaints with Forza 3 and Forza 4 that traction is really high and cars are usually easy to keep in control." - Well, yes, but not on straight line man, thats where they screwed up i think.

Only in first gear when you are launching traction is not high, you get a lot of wheelspin but usually going into 2nd solves this to get good traction off the line.

Not knocking your opinion.

For every grippy comment there's a too slippy comment.

The reverse is true also.

I realise this:

However look at this post and look at the results at the top of the page: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5897232#post5897232

My grippy version took top spot .

Happy birthday by the way.

So a car that isnt easy to control = good physics?

Look, I was asking for a video from JDM (who said he will) when he said the 458 is able to be full throttle out of corners with tons of grip. Cool. I cant seem to do it and would like to see it done. I am not arguing over physics, so why do people keep quoting me, and bringing it up?

Nope, don't agree with that. However physics that make losing control a car with bad driving very hard is not very good IMO, maybe it is the magic steering in Forza or the high traction in the game that makes it easy to recover mistakes that should not be really possible to do.

I understand, just sticking up for him on the too grippy side although it might be wrong to say that, I'll say high traction.

 

[JDMKING13]

Nope, don't agree with that. However physics that make losing control a car with bad driving very hard is not very good IMO, maybe it is the magic steering in Forza or the high traction in the game that makes it easy to recover mistakes that should not be really possible to do.

I understand, just sticking up for him on the too grippy side although it might be wrong to say that, I'll say high traction.

Thats all I'm saying 👍

 

[phil-t]

I don't like the driving that's it FM as a game is great, driving In My opinion has to improve. Do you have all the FM games BTW?

Also Phil to be honest with you it was nice to debate with you If I called you anything or made you feel a certain way I am sorry, you are the few people on here who can actually debate like an adult. 👍

I only briefly played FM1, but FM2 onwards, I played a lot, as I have GT4/HD/5p/5! I hugely enjoy iRacing and even games like midnight club LA....

And 👍 back at ya.....

 

[Spagetti69]

Thats all I'm saying 👍

Is that a promise. Lol.

Thanks Saidur for your birthday wishes.

 

[shintastic48]

Yeah, i was actually going to put that in my post. The Carrera is the cheaper one that you are thinking of which is only PS3 and PC compatible. The TurboS is also xbox 360 compatible just like the GT2.

Do you like it? I considered getting a GT2 but decided to get the GT3. Getting it shipped to Japan is a pain and I didn't want my wallet to take that big of a hit