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[Dreadmed]

I can see him being replaced for 2023. Such an underwhelming season so far - he's only ahead of a newbie in an Alfa, both Williams, and Lance Stroll - but still full of his usual brand of chaos.

I could turn that around and say Alpha Tauri have been the ones who've had an underwhelming season, at least in comparison to previous years; Yuki is only 7 points behind Pierre and, unless they find some additional form from somewhere, AT are presumably going to be "competing" with Haas for 8th. Alfa Romeo (i.e Bottas) had a great start to the season, albeit somewhat squandered, so 6th place should be theirs although they ideally could do with another couple of points finishes to secure it. At the moment AM and AT are alternating between themselves for the last points positions, so AM look likely to finish 7th whereas Haas haven't scored since Silverstone... hence the "competing", Haas may well be in a spiral they can't break out of for the rest of the year.

 

[Roo]

If I'm not mistaken, de Vries is now in his fourth F1 team this season and second this race. Is that a first?

He's had FP1 appearances for Williams in Spain, Mercedes in France and Aston Martin yesterday. Who's the fourth team?

Johnny Herbert managed to race - not just test or practice, but actually race - for Lotus, Ligier and Benetton in 1994.

 

[PaMu1337]

Gotta love Albons attitude about it though

 

[NICKname]

Ferrari president backs Binotto, expects titles by 2026

Ferrari are making too many mistakes but have 'great faith' in team boss Mattia Binotto and will be Formula One champions again by 2026, company president John Elkann said on Saturday.

www.reuters.com

Four more years! 🤪

 

[Liquid]

Once or twice they're astonishingly brilliant, then just madness all around.

Tsunoda forgot the first bit.

 

[Famine]

Considering how many drivers flop upon reaching F2, seemingly out of nowhere, it's pretty much impossible to say that anyone who is or has been active in F3 would do well in F2 or F1.

Indeed - as evidenced by their current crop. If their net had been wider by one they might still be in the same position, but also might not have been...

(although your F1 bingo card got dabbed last week)

That's specific to the individual though - and relates to his tendency to yell (and previously swear) down the radio at even the slightest hint of things going awry.

Alpha Tauri have been the ones who've had an underwhelming season

Very much so. However while Tsunoda might be only seven points behind Gasly, Gasly also has 64% more points. Both have three retirements (four if you include Tsunoda's DNS, which was mechanical), but in the remaining 12 races Gasly has only three finishes of 13th or worse and Tsunoda only has four finishes of better than 13th.

Of the four drivers, I think Tsunoda is probably about equal in terms of seat danger with Perez - although he's easier to replace. And handily about equal in terms of racist **** said about them by Marko.

Williams in Spain, Mercedes in France and Aston Martin yesterday

Hmm. For some reason I thought it wasn't Williams the first time.

 

[PeterJB]

Ok, I was harsh. You certainly cannot discredit the racing ability of someone who has won the Indy 500 twice (Sato), the Le Mans 24Hr 3 times (Nakajima), the Daytona 24Hr twice and the WEC twice (Kobayashi), and I don't want to pour scorn on them, but you can't deny that a combination of a Japanese driver and an F1 car tends to get a bit exciting and/or unpredictable (although your F1 bingo card got dabbed last week).

Kobayashi and Sato are by far the best Japanese drivers we've had. Both blindingly fast on a good day but with hyper-aggressive racecraft that often worked against them.

Yamamoto was a slow pay driver.

Kazuki Nakajima was constantly colliding with other drivers and not particularly fast either (0 points in 2009 to teammate Rosberg's 34.5).

Ide was completely unprepared with little to no testing and was driving a four-year-old car.

Nakano, Takagi and Katayama were just not really it.

Inoue was completely out of his depth.

Satoru Nakajima and Aguri Suzuki were good but drove in an era where if you weren't in either a McLaren, a Ferrari, or a Williams, you were guaranteed to have a car that was both very slow and never worked.

Pretty all of these drivers however have had a lot of success in either the domestic Japanese racing scene or in endurance racing.

 

[Samus]

So the final run down of penalties is

TSU - Back
SAI - Back
HAM - Back
MAG - 15
MSC - 15
BOT - 15
PER - 10
VER - 5
OCO - 5

Just the nine drivers.

 

[PaMu1337]

De Vries is already on par with Latifi, and doing respectable laps. Latifi has no right to keep that seat

 

[andrea]

How is Ricciardo behind both Williams?

 

[MagpieRacer]

Yup, RB are running very low on drivers, hence them wanting Herta.

Eh, he wasn't anywhere in F3. I don't think they saw anything in him. Say what you will about RB, but their junior program staff are pretty good at spotting talent.

I don't think they're running low on drivers, more like low on talent.

F2/F3
Iwasa
Lawson
Hauger
Daruvala
Hadjar
Edgar
Crawford

Then throw Buemi (RBR Reserve) and Alex Albon (still a Red Bull driver). And there is no lack of quantity. But aside from Albon and probably Lawson, there's definitely no one that stands out, so they may as well not have the numbers they do.

Ditching Tsunoda, relegate Perez to AT and rehire Ricciardo to RB? 😬

 

[Samus]

How is Ricciardo behind both Williams?

He seems to have been completely broken since learning he was gone. I mean, he was already struggling before that, but since he's just been nowhere.

I don't think they're running low on drivers, more like low on talent.

Well yes, that's what I meant. Running low on F1 material.

 

[Famine]

Latifi should be absolutely crushed by that.

 

[TumeK5]

Latifi about to be humiliated by a reserve...

Called it

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Ricciardo closes up behind Norris. Latifi gets knocked out.

 

[Samus]

Latifi should be absolutely sacked after that.

Fixed. No way they can justify keeping him now, not when they said they don't need his $.

 

[MagpieRacer]

Called it

Along with everyone.

Latifi has never been deserving of the seat outside of having money.

 

[andrea]

De Vries outqualified Latifi eveb with a lap time deletion💀💀💀

 

[Samus]

De Vries outqualified Latifi eveb with a lap time deletion💀💀💀

It looked very much like DEV gave LAT a slipstream at the end of the 2nd run, and DEV was still fractionally faster.

 

[SlowGrayAudi]

Because he sucks

How is Ricciardo behind both Williams?

 

[andrea]

Batigol with no hair confuses me ngl

 

[PaMu1337]

I wouldn't mind seeing that 2:35 family car lap!

 

[andrea]

I wouldn't mind seeing that 2:35 family car lap!

Yeah? But what about a rental car?

We all know it's the fastest car in the world.

 

[Samus]

I wouldn't mind seeing that 2:35 family car lap!

A 2 litre diesel Alfa Guilleta can do that time according to this, so a more realistic family car would be even slower.

Monza lap times - FastestLaps.com

List of fastest lap times for Monza. Updated May 2022.

fastestlaps.com

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Look at Ricciardo go.

 

[IcySlivers]

So De Vries will be racing on Sunday?
Sooner Ricciardo is gone the better.
Let’s get new blood in those seats.

 

[Roo]

Q3, with a 6-driver shootout for pole because the other 4 have grid penalties.

 

[andrea]

That Mclaren livery is so disappointing every time I see it.

 

[Samus]

So Ferrari strategy is to tow the wrong car?

Worked out in the end for them, now to tomorrow where we see how they can screw it up.

 

[NICKname]

Easy win for Leclerc tomorrow.

Unless... 🐎🤡