Gran Turismo 7 takes center stage in an all-new State of Play, arriving Wednesday at 2pm Pacific:

[lancia delta hf]

Well, I honestly thought that was pretty embarrassing,.

25 minutes : Candy candy candy.

5 minutes: meat and potatoes > well undercooked.

What exactly got people hyped. The candy or the meat and potatoes?


take out the off track stuff shown and what are you left with? A 20 year old game, but somehow still not as enticing as GT4 and without the great fantasy tracks from GT4. It's great having all that menu stuff but if the game is as dull as GT6 and GTS its completely pointless to me. I want to spend time in those menus because I'm buzzed out from playing and enjoying the actual game, not because I find it pitiful on track like the last 2 games ( GT5 was poor too but I still had a lot of fun ).


This "GT is a car collecting game " is a lame excuse for a developer that is stuck in the 90s. There is zero reason they cant actually make a good game around that too.

This is the biggest racing game developer in the world with the biggest budget ( on playstation at least ) and this is the best they can come up with? Candy to mask the lacklustre 20+ year old gameplay? All the cool features like drying line im suspect about it having any actual affect on gameplay when in the car based on previous claims.

Drag racing is something I'd enjoy but if I had to put my house on it I'd say its going to be a lame implementation and possibly only offline in missions etc. I remember lining up on Le Sarthe in GT5 lobbies with a full lobby doing drag races, great fun, PD should have implemented drag races in GT7 so you can set it up for full lobby drag races. Maybe they have and I just dont know because they couldn't be bothered to show people what game they're actually buying and you just have to assume it's the same ol boring gameplay or amazing and they've spent hours thinking about how to make it engaging. They just showed us music features for ***** and giggles. Crikey.

Someone explain to me what's so important about a damage model?

So that you can pull into the pits and marvel at the damaged car that will end last?

Consequences! A decent damage model forces you to consider how when and where you're gonna overtake or defend.

GT has always been Kaz's artistic vision. He tends to focus more on the details and nuances of cars than in pumping out tons of tracks, cars, and game modes. He doesn't just do what all the other racing games are doing. Not sure why that still surprises people.

Whilst you are right, this method would totally bomb imo if it didnt have the mega mass marketing behind it. Eye candy and fluff is selling this game. Just look at some of the response after last night, hardly any gameplay shown and how engaging it will actually be for the player and many comments saying they're hyped, best GT ever, Bar raised, all it took was eye candy and fluff, no real substance.

I don’t think it’s GTS. I see it as a modern GT4. May Not be popular opinion, but I’m happy to have this version.
I totally get the concerns about nothing has changed. The customisation, weather and of course the cars are what I’m interested in. Now I can really choose to play Sport Mode or just tune my favourite cars in more depth.

GT4 but without the good tracks. GT4 was of it's time, maybe gameplay was even dated back then tbh, as much as i loved that game i remember playing it every day after work for an hour and after getting to first position after a couple corners just drifting off thinking about what I'm gonna eat after training or whatever. I said long ago this was just GTS with more content and I still believe that. I'm hit saying they should have done this but they could have easily just made this a GTS update.

If you haven’t noticed, there are long time fans that haven’t bought a couple of the past games. They are debating whether anything have been Changed for GT7. AI being probably the core feature.
You think it’s neagative, but there are some who want to know they are going to invest their time in this latest game… joyously. So far, some players have not seen over the past year, anything new to grasp them to return to the franchise. It’s validated opinion. There’s more to it than just “if you don’t like the game, go play something else”.

Exactly. It's quite funny to see people treat GT games like its their baby, you absolutely must love it and ignore that you haven't seen anything new or groundbreaking otherwise you're a hater or forza fanboy. It cant possibly be because you want a good game and that GT magic back that you felt 20 years ago.

 

[Samus]

As is typical, the fan base and dedicated forum are rife with negativity and people being overly dramatic. I don't know why people keep expecting a *console racing simulator to turn into or have features from a full fledged hardcore sim like Assetto or R Factor. Expectations need to be tailored and Gran Turismo was never meant to be like those other games and never will be. It's one of the best console racing sims out and is pretty much in it's own lane as far as detail and presentation goes. The game definitely looks good for what it is and as a car enthusiast, I'm just glad there's another mainline GT game coming soon.

Quote someone who said they were disappointed specifically because GT7 isn't a full fledged hardcore sim like Assetto or rFactor. Just one. I'm pretty confident you can't, you're just making up your own opposing view.

Wanting better offline racing formats and better AI is not the same thing at all.

 

[MatskiMonk]

GT Sport was not a backwards step, it was ahead of the curve in many ways, and it's disappointing that PD have caved to the single player complaints and focused this game entirely around their experience instead of pushing forward with further advancements in online play, which is the future of racing games and of gaming in general.

Think of it more like a side step. eSports and competitive racing has its place and will doubtlessly increase in popularity - but that's not necessarily inline with what Kaz/PD want to create. Newer fans may have different opinions and experiences, but it's the cars that have long been the appeal of GT, the rest of the game is more about providing an environment to enjoy and experience them. That doesn't have to be a super serious attempt at either simulating real world motorsports, or being an actual competitive eSport experience itself - making an entire game that lines up behind those two things isn't necessarily what Kaz/PD want GT to be.

 

[Phaceless_Ph]

People should stop complaining about weird stuff in GT .

You don't know what's going to popular. PD/SONY doesn't even know what's going to be popular.

They'll add some extra thing like Music Rally where the music fits your custom livery, and suddenly people will go nuts.

They think their opinions are a true, accurate and absolute gospel representation of the entire population, and if anyone challenges them on it they will turn the thread into a flame-war . . . as usual.

The main standout to me personally was the dynamic track & weather engines, as well as the custom races, they've essentially created a sandbox here.

 

[DivitLad]

Great too see Music replays back.

 

[Magog]

Great too see Music replays back.

It's a shame the 90's music video filters don't seem to be making a return with it though. Oh well.

 

[Mercia]

Think of it more like a side step. eSports and competitive racing has its place and will doubtlessly increase in popularity - but that's not necessarily inline with what Kaz/PD want to create. Newer fans may have different opinions and experiences, but it's the cars that have long been the appeal of GT, the rest of the game is more about providing an environment to enjoy and experience them. That doesn't have to be a super serious attempt at either simulating real world motorsports, or being an actual competitive eSport experience itself - making an entire game that lines up behind those two things isn't necessarily what Kaz/PD want GT to be.

I appreciate the point of view but I couldn't help feeling like I've done all this in GT4.

If it was alongside some announcements over new features to Sport mode then it would be less disappointing, but at this point it's hard not to assume it's same as ever for that. Would love to see more races per week, more variety in styles and lengths of races, and even multi class racing brought to the mode. I don't think this would have been too much to ask.

We'll see how it plays of course, maybe there will be some surprises for us and I do think there is a lot to like in terms of advancements to graphics, weather, time of day etc. It looks a great game just to 'live in' and experience for a while.

Just ugh, they were so close to something special with Sport.

 

[Gunma36]

I want to trust this project as I always did since '97. I'm a grown up man now, almost a daddy with a baby girl coming, but I'm still excited at a new Gran Turismo episode😅

 

[Nuschel01]

I just feel like people care way too much about the AI, even if they were a bit more competitive I wouldn't really play a lot of it unless there are some special rewards. Find yourself some online leagues to race, it's much better in any way if you find the right people And as a bonus it helps a lot more at improving driving skills in general from my experience

 

[SVT Cobra GT]

A 20 year old game, but somehow still not as enticing as GT4 and without the great fantasy tracks from GT4.

Out of curiosity, what does GT4 have that GT7 doesn't? Apart from the fantasy tracks obviously. Other than that, I can't think of any feature or mode that it does have over GT7.

 

[JDMKING13]

I just feel like people care way too much about the AI, even if they were a bit more competitive I wouldn't really a lot of it unless there are some special rewards. Find yourself some online leagues to race, it's much better in any way if you find the right people And as a bonus it helps a lot more at improving driving skills in general from my experience

I respect people wanting the AI being better, and if the AI was really good it still would never compare racing people online or even better on GTP, I mean I have made friends from all around the world which is just awesome, something AI could never do. I am not the one to tell people how to enjoy their game, and I wish the AI was super competitive so some people would be happy, however there is going to be competitive racing in GT7 it’s just up to the user to try different things that may upset their comfort zone.

 

[DivitLad]

It's a shame the 90's music video filters don't seem to be making a return with it though. Oh well.

Yeah just thinking that, liked that mode in GT3

 

[VoidhawkRD]

Out of curiosity, what does GT4 have that GT7 doesn't? Apart from the fantasy tracks obviously. Other than that, I can't think of any feature or mode that it does have over GT7.

An expansive career mode for starters.

 

[kjeldsen]

Consequences! A decent damage model forces you to consider how when and where you're gonna overtake or defend.

We have a damage model in the current game, it's never enabled, when it is people just leave after they get damage, just like they did with penalties (after getting revenge).

 

[Samus]

I just feel like people care way too much about the AI, even if they were a bit more competitive I wouldn't really a lot of it unless there are some special rewards. Find yourself some online leagues to race, it's much better in any way if you find the right people And as a bonus it helps a lot more at improving driving skills in general from my experience

Don't assume everyone wants to play games the way you do and try to force them to do so, or be forced to be happy for things you are.

GT has evolved over the years to now include a detailed photography mode and places a huge importance on the visuals of replays, with a new mode for replays with music. I know very well that for a lot of people these are amazing features, people that enjoy photography of cars and the visuals they can spend hours upon hours taking photos or watching replays. That's great, I have no issue with that, but I'm not one of those people. I probably spent 20 minutes in Scapes total and unless something funky happens, I rarely watch a replay. That's just me, we're all wired differently. Livery Editor is another amazing tool for creative people that I rarely used although I certainly used the creations people made from it.

Online, social gaming is the best thing since sliced bread for some people. They love the interaction with other humans, they love the competition. I do not. I'm not a social gamer at all, in any genre. I don't play online, I don't want to play online. Gaming for me is an escape from the real world and real people, something I have always enjoyed doing alone and always will. Again, all wired differently. I'm obviously not going to say anyone is wrong for not caring about single player racing and preferring online, that's their preference. Good for them/you. It's not my preference, and no amount of encouragement is going to change that. I know what online gaming entails.

So yes, we all want something different from Gran Turismo and so long as Gran Turismo is going to offer a single player career against AI I'm going to care very much about the quality of that mode, and the quality of the AI. I want nothing more than to enjoy all the other features the game is offering that appeal to me like the car modifications, the time and weather, the cars on offer, and so on. But for me, I can't enjoy any of that very much if the single player racing is not up to scratch.

I know very well that AI in a game will always be limited compared to real humans, but I also know that I play and enjoy many other racing games with AI that far eclipses GT. I've had great, enthralling racing in multiple titles over the years. I want to get that from Gran Turismo as well.

 

[beezball]

It didn't seem all that unfriendly at the time, but it is so strange Lotus hasn't come back "soon" - as it said in 2019! - and is in all sorts of other crap.

Fun aside related to ZGH, I chatted with Polestar before COVID in something I did for ZGH (although I've never seen where the article got published; I got paid, so whatever) and it said it only appeared in NFS Heat because Ghost offered it the hero car status, and it wasn't interested in just being one brand among many as in Forza/GT/etc.

Well according to the State of Play the Lotus logo was nowhere to be found in the UK section. so it doesn't look like that relationship has thawed after all. But your right about Lotus coming back "soon". I remember being hopeful when they said that, nothing has really materialized from that. They need to enter into Le Mans or something and make a big splash. Sponsoring the Goodwood FoS isn't exactly going to turn the world on it's head, especially when their Halo car didn't even do a hot run on the hill climb.

 

[Boxerengine4]

Quote someone who said they were disappointed specifically because GT7 isn't a full fledged hardcore sim like Assetto or rFactor. Just one. I'm pretty confident you can't, you're just making up your own opposing view.

Wanting better offline racing formats and better AI is not the same thing at all.

Look around and it's all up and down this thread. People are basically upset and disappointed because the game lacks most features you'd find in PC racing sims...

 

[JDMKING13]

We have a damage model in the current game, it's never enabled, when it is people just leave after they get damage, just like they did with penalties (after getting revenge).

I was stumped by many people complaining about this… The damage system in GTS is fine with me but it’s way to forgiving… don’t get me wrong you smack the wall once in the leagues I’m racing in and your pretty much done…. I would like to see a more punishing damage system…. I don’t car so much about the visuals I have yet to see a game portray damage accuracy… I love Iracing damage system, and ACC would be next for me… I would like to see GT7 really punish drivers for bad wrecks.

 

[Toysuprahot]

Out of curiosity, what does GT4 have that GT7 doesn't? Apart from the fantasy tracks obviously. Other than that, I can't think of any feature or mode that it does have over GT7.

Standing starts, better AI (not amazing but better), long and complete career mode with more variety, better progression (takes a long time in this game to buy your first sports car), harder and more challenging events (old license tests for example), the overall amazing design of the game where the menu isn't built around just looking at cars but more towards racing them.

 

[karelpipa]

So this is it?

You open a circuit and get a list of single events on that track? What about championships? Do we do a race on one track then go to another track when we feel like it? I really can't believe this is how we navigate career mode but it seems it is, the menus are going to be final by now.

Really bizarre.

I am really really worried by this.

 

[ICEYOU3]

The only thing I'm disappointed with is the lack of a Forza-Vista style mode. I would have really appreciated being able to photograph cars in a 3D Environment as opposed to taking only one-dimensional pictures. The Scapes deal never pulled me in like GT5/6's photomode. PD shouldn't be behind in this regard since this game is more eye-candy focused in my opinion.

 

[JoaoSilva]

Standing starts, better AI (not amazing but better), long and complete career mode with more variety, better progression (takes a long time in this game to buy your first sports car), harder and more challenging events (old license tests for example), the overall amazing design of the game where the menu isn't built around just looking at cars but more towards racing them.

Pretty much all those things you said we haven't seen yet, it's all your assumption. And GT4 having better AI? Are you having a laugh or are you actually serious?

 

[Dave A]

Out of curiosity, what does GT4 have that GT7 doesn't? Apart from the fantasy tracks obviously. Other than that, I can't think of any feature or mode that it does have over GT7.

It's hard to say without seeing more of GT7's career mode, as what we saw didn't give me much information about the structure of volume and variety of events. GT4 had a very well fleshed out career mode for it's time, GT7 appears to be a load of single races attached to tracks. If there are only around 100 races it will be very shallow indeed.

However if there are over 100 events each contaning multiple races it could have legs. But do those events include championships? Qualifying? Proper grid starts? I don't know and I doubt they do as they weren't shown or mentioned.

So maybe it has those things, but maybe not. What I saw had plenty of positives, but it also had some glaring question marks against it as well. I want the game to be amazing, but I'm not yet convinced and while I can easilly afford to pre-order, I don't like to do so unless I'm convinced I'll enjoy it more than what I already have.

 

[Kalder]

I am really really worried by this.

I'm pretty sure these aren't the championships/gt league... if it is I would be surprised.

 

[Toysuprahot]

Pretty much all those things you said we haven't seen yet, it's all your assumption. And GT4 having better AI? Are you having a laugh or are you actually serious?

About the AI in GT4 please watch this from 4:30 to 5:15 and find me a single video of recent GT's where the AI displays similar behaviour.

About the rest, yes everything is assumptions based on what we've seen so far, but it's not my fault that PD is hiding it's best career mode to date and that all I can base my opinion on is the footage PD gave us.

 

[Freeman_Cruz]

Polyphony Digital has doubled employeers count since 2019. According to a interview in jeuxvideo now its a 300 people team.

Quel est votre meilleur souvenir durant ces 25 ans de Gran Turismo ?

Kazunori Yamauchi : À sa sortie il y a 25 ans sur PlayStation, Gran Turismo était un titre expérimental, et je ne m’attendais pas à ce qu’il devienne aussi populaire à vrai dire. Depuis, nous avons le soutien de millions de joueurs dans le monde, et Polyphony Digital est ainsi passé d’une petite équipe de 15 personnes à l’époque, à environ 300 aujourd’hui, mais il s’agit encore d’une même et grande famille, qui prend plaisir à mettre au point un titre élaboré avec passion. C’est sans doute de cela dont je suis le plus fier aujourd’hui.

Interview de Kazunori Yamauchi, le papa de Gran Turismo nous parle du 7ème opus

En amont du récent State of Play consacré à Gran Turismo 7, nous avons pu, avec d'autres médias internationaux, poser quelques questions au créateur emblématique de la saga Kazunori « Kaz » Yamauchi.

www.jeuxvideo.fr

Also snow circuits could be added in future dlc.

 

[Samus]

Look around and it's all up and down this thread. People are basically upset and disappointed because the game lacks most features you'd find in PC racing sims...

Quote one, if they're so prevalent.

 

[snowgt]

An expansive career mode for starters.

Oh, but it does! It's called "Sport".

 

[praiano63]

Graphics and sounds seem more of a enhanced GT Sport. On the graphics this isn't a bad thing neccessarily but i expected more from the sounds.

I will keep my judgement for the AI, the physics and the career mode for the actual release.

I really don't understand the "Music rally" ??? !!! Why no track editor like GT5 .. It was a great tool for touge racing ...
Me too i will wait for physics , VR ... to buy a PS5 and GT7 game.
For the rest , it's nice but not enough to continue for me.

 

[lancia delta hf]

As is typical, the fan base and dedicated forum are rife with negativity and people being overly dramatic. I don't know why people keep expecting a *console racing simulator to turn into or have features from a full fledged hardcore sim like Assetto or R Factor. Expectations need to be tailored and Gran Turismo was never meant to be like those other games and never will be. It's one of the best console racing sims out and is pretty much in it's own lane as far as detail and presentation goes. The game definitely looks good for what it is and as a car enthusiast, I'm just glad there's another mainline GT game coming soon.

Wanting good competitive AI and a good career mode is considered the marque of a fully fledged hardcore sim now is it?

You've pulled this out of thin air and it's a poor attempt to defend a game being released In 2022 that would have poor game play if it were released in 2004. Saying that i have seen people hoping it will have the physics of the top sims just not on this forum. Those people obviously dont understand GT. I personally want it to be fun on track, like Wreckfest is fun. If you take out the wrecking in Wreckfest there is still plenty of great racing to be had offline. There is simply no excuse for GT to still be so lame in this area.

Enjoyed the presentation. Looked to be an improvement over GTS. Some intriguing new features but will reserve judgement until I get to play it. However, in many areas the game is still stuck in the past. So many racing games do things better and GT has not moved with the times.

In the past two weeks I've managed to secure a PS5 and GT DD Pro and I know I'll be excited to boot the game up for the first time.

And as many GT players like myself have said even 10 years ago, GT will never move on if people keep falling for the candy presentations and keep buying the game. They think people want rubbish AI and a career mode because they keep buying it.

Yeah some people here are shocked that GT7 didn't turn into the new ACC or iRacing all of a sudden. The point of GT is that it's different from other games, it has it's own identity, making it like any other game would make the series lose its appeal.

That's why i love playing ACC as well because it offers me an authentic racing experience that GT can't necessarily provide offline.

There's no need to play just one franchise, there's more choice when it comes to racing games now more than ever.

How have you formed this opinion from anything anyone has said? No one has said it must be ACC or Iracing, they are simply asking for a game, a game where you go on track and theres actually a race and a good career mode to race in. Even the best career mode would be useless with GT's AI.

Out of curiosity, what does GT4 have that GT7 doesn't? Apart from the fantasy tracks obviously. Other than that, I can't think of any feature or mode that it does have over GT7.

A fair question. What did GT4 have that GT7 doest? The answer is time! GT4 was of it's time, that time has passed. Its 18 years since GT4 came out, it didnt come out after a trail of disappointing GT's with lots of failed promises and lies and misleading marketing making you think you were getting stuff that you were not. GT4 was off the back of a cutting edge series, but even back them the sounds were poor and the AI were terrible. All GT7 has is current tech but wity GT4 offline gameplay by the looks of it, also GTS physics were boring, maybe they're better than GT4s but alas that was of it's time. The tracks in GT4 at least made hotlap fun for me or racing with mates ( we actually use to bring 2 TVs to a mates house and do 2 teams of 2 endurance races ). 2004 GT4 gameplay just for me cut it for me today.

All GT needs is decent AI, not even the best, just decent , and a well thought out career with no mind numbingly boring grinding. Something simple would be a good start like race this tournament to win a Ferrari 250 GTO so you can enter the tournament to win a Ford Gt40 which you need to enter tournament X to win an Auto Bianchi. Rather the standard GT method of "race this slow car gat cant win multiple times to win credits to tune it up so you can blitz everyone on the first lap.