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I surprised to see people saying the BMW has understeer. I actually find it quite pointy. Not having much issue with oversteer either. Clearly it's there if you force the issue in a low gear with steering lock, but it's not like it happens unexpectedly.

Just look over 4/10ths off what I though was a pretty decent time around Brands, and can see another 2-3 tenths more from mistakes on that lap alone. Might be difficult to get that run though as some of the corners are all-or-nothing and I had a mighty run through one of them which will be hard to match.

I'll be surprised if I can maintain my place in Div 1 although that is my aim. My driving feels good, my consistency isn't bad, but sometimes it's just hard to know where you stand. I always take the attitude that there is more time to be had, not just tenths but probably the best part of a second when you think you have absolutely nailed every corner, someone will find more time.

Because I had to drive the Megane with such a different style to that which I would normally use (it was certainly a learning experience), I don't know if my time is roughly on par with what I would be doing in a more standard car or not. The BMW worries me less. If I wring all the time I can from it I will be there or thereabouts.
 
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Yes, the game platform clearly offered simple options for hosting online events prior to the release of GT5. Loads of people were doing it. :rolleyes:

Like...........Us. We waited until 2011/2012, except that we hosted major events starting in 2009. But I guess you are an expert on our history, and a lot of people were running online events on Prologue. Please point out to me who hosted major online racing events on a Pre-GT5 Platform.
Fair point, my memory isn't what it once was.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gtp_race-event-02-week-1-specifics.114097/

TBH, we are not interested in whether or not "the fast drivers" show up. We are interested in overall attendance and participation. I would like to have you point out to me the non PD organized online event or series that attracts more participation with the same consistency as we do. If it exists, great. We probably have something to learn. I'm not aware of which series that is, so please let me know.
Well, most people don't do ever ongoing events without some kind of endings. I couldn't tell you why, but it seems like there's a lot of interest in it. Perhaps there are new or different ways to go about it that could keep people's attention better?

Being direct, I've never had a problem with you, so I'm not sure what your problem is with me. Knowing that I've been the main TT admin since you've participated, you must have one. You've pointed out several perceived issues here, but I'm not sure how grounded they are.
I don't have a problem with you Kevin, I've always thought you felt like I do, so if I am portraying that to you it's unintentional. I like pretty much everyone in the WRS that I can think of. Please don't mistake a complaint here or there for dislike, I just speak my mind a lot. (and am sometimes unreasonably grumpy)

It's certainly difficult to simply bow to every single request put forth by a member. If it's simply that we would not listen to your individual requests, that's understandable. But I have to believe there's more to this.
Actually that's kind of what it is, really. I only have a few quirks with it.
It really doesn't seem like you guys ever take ideas. Maybe that's changed since I last was a regular, but from what I recall, I have never seen a requested combo in the suggestions box come to life. I believe I remember where a combo was "inspired" by a suggestion, (can't recall which one), but it was a different car and/or track than whomever requested.
I'm not saying it's never happened, but I figure if it's that rare that I can't remember seeing it, it can't be too often. I'm not saying you need to take suggestions, but people sure as hell love it.

Another thing is griping about griping. I can understand not wanting to listen to people complain as much as anyone, but calling people pedantic and infantile over it, is pedantic and infantile itself. If somebody won't shut up, that's a different story. Taking it personally is entirely up to you, there's absolutely no need for you to do it though, and it's self-inflicted. Also, there are probably a handful of people that would love to have your spot, Kevin. Imagine what it sounds like to them when you talk about it as though it is work.

And it kind of sounded like Chris was complaining about people skipping weeks. I'm hoping I misinterpreted, because after telling people who complain of combos to skip the week, that would be...ridiculous.

The WRS has been a small group that enjoys itself, but I think it could become a large group that enjoys itself even more. Imagine how much fun guys in D5 would have winning races instead of finishing a lap behind guys in D1/2.
So please don't mistake this as a "speed" thing, it's everyone that benefits from a bigger group with online racing.

It's just my 2 cents, I don't mean anything by it, and I don't harbor any ill feelings towards anyone in the WRS.(at least that I know of) :cheers:
 
@CSLACR The only way D5 guys will ever win races, is if enough D5 drivers signed up to race. If there was the demand for it, then it would happen but there simply isn't as many guys from say D4/5 as there is from D1-3. Those guys, generally speaking, are the ones that take the game a bit more seriously, and play more (therefore ranking up the divisions more).

We ran the Academy for a while and it had some good successes and more guys from the lower divisions were able to race amongst themselves. It was designed solely for that purpose to help the lower division racers become more confident on track and improve their driving. Why did it stop? Partly because participation dropped off to a point where it was a lot of work on behalf of the people running it for the amount of participation. I honestly don't think it's as simple as just having a larger sample size.
 
I don't have a problem with you Kevin, I've always thought you felt like I do, so if I am portraying that to you it's unintentional. I like pretty much everyone in the WRS that I can think of. Please don't mistake a complaint here or there for dislike, I just speak my mind a lot. (and am sometimes unreasonably grumpy)
OK, that's fair. Honestly, your post felt a bit like it was coming out of left field. You once participated quite regularly, but it lookd to me like your focus just drifted to other areas. Those things happen.

I always appreciated you as a participant. You were among the quickest, while willing to give tips, share your tunes, and you've normally maintained a positive posting style that benefits the community.

Actually that's kind of what it is, really. I only have a few quirks with it.
It really doesn't seem like you guys ever take ideas. Maybe that's changed since I last was a regular, but from what I recall, I have never seen a requested combo in the suggestions box come to life. I believe I remember where a combo was "inspired" by a suggestion, (can't recall which one), but it was a different car and/or track than whomever requested.
I'm not saying it's never happened, but I figure if it's that rare that I can't remember seeing it, it can't be too often. I'm not saying you need to take suggestions, but people sure as hell love it.
It's complicated, as you have to remember that we're trying to achieve some overall objectives while taking suggestions into account, where they make sense.

People sometimes come in with well thought out suggestions. They have tested the combo they are suggesting, and are putting themselves in the shoes of the broader participant base. And they understand we're trying to vary things like track selection, car selection, drivetrains, tire type, types of tracks, tuning vs. not tuning. How expensive is the car and how accessible is it? What will the overall appeal of the combo be, based on what we know from historical data? We keep all of that in mind when planning.

The suggested combos, or shadows of suggested combos, that are implemented are those where people have thought all of that through. I've often tested people's suggestions, and have moved onto something I thought would fit better - Different car on the same track, or vice versa. You are right, it's rare that we take something straight out of the box, as suggested, but those tend to be the reasons for it. People tend to think and suggest through their personal lens, what they enjoy, but they are not necessarily thinking of how it will translate to the D4 driver with a controller. Maybe the car was not a fit for the track, maybe a car we have not used fit better on the same track, maybe we already had an idea in the pipeline that's been thoroughly tested. Or maybe we just used the track last month, and would like to keep things fresh.


Another thing is griping about griping. I can understand not wanting to listen to people complain as much as anyone, but calling people pedantic and infantile over it, is pedantic and infantile itself. If somebody won't shut up, that's a different story. Taking it personally is entirely up to you, there's absolutely no need for you to do it though, and it's self-inflicted. Also, there are probably a handful of people that would love to have your spot, Kevin. Imagine what it sounds like to them when you talk about it as though it is work.
Well, it IS work, let's not kid ourselves. I probably spend more time against organizing than I do driving of my own, trying to enjoy myself and improve my own skills. I'm sure many people would love to be doing this, and some of them are probably capable. We've continued to recruit staff. Chris is the most recent example, and he'll help a lot with some of the things I'm talking about. If he can take on a specific workload of the Time Trial creation, that will free me up to enjoy things more as a participant. I've been doing this for a fair bit of time, but I've not lost sight of why I'm here, it's to support the community.

Complaining about complaining - My issue is that many people will glance over a race thread and make a judgement or decision on whether or not to participate based on what they read. And my responding to complainers might just fuel that fire, but I have a hard time when people step into the thread 3 posts in, and proceed to launch their counterattack against the combo selection. If you don't like a combo, the best thing you can do to ensure something like it is not run again in the future is to not participate. And I don't only mean that as, "If you don't like it, **** off".

I mean it genuinely, as in, we watch the level of participation, and understand correlations between particular types of combos and levels of participation. We still want variety, broad appeal to many different members. Somebody is going to want an FF road car on Comfort tires. Somebody else is going to want an LMP car. They are probably not the same member. :dopey: We want them both to be happy and participate at times. But when something turns out to be an absolute dud, you are probably not going to see us come back to something like it.

The overall goal is maximum participation and enjoyment for our members, and when someone creates a post that is counter to facilitating that, I take exception. And it's mostly because I want them to give the member that has not driven the combo the opportunity to form their own opinion, rather than feeding the need to force their own opinion on the community, and believing that's going to change what we do or how we do it.

The WRS has been a small group that enjoys itself, but I think it could become a large group that enjoys itself even more. Imagine how much fun guys in D5 would have winning races instead of finishing a lap behind guys in D1/2.
So please don't mistake this as a "speed" thing, it's everyone that benefits from a bigger group with online racing.
Our participation counts on GT5 were the highest on average that I've seen over more than 6 years of involvement in WRS as a participant or Admin. We set all time participation records in our first events, with Week 1 eclipsing the GT4 launch by nearly 100 participants. And that on a game that had online features that made user based series easy to organize, and the launch of WRS trailed the game release by nearly 3 months.

I agree with you, that we could have more. As in, more weekly participants, on average, over time. Some of that comes back to what Tim was saying, about popularity of and engagement in the game itself. But as an outset goal, we want to break that GT5 record, and get more than 200 participants in week 1. And we want to have a higher sustained average participant base, both in Time Trials and online races.

That's the overriding goal, and we're here to listen to anyone who has ideas on what we can do collectively to support that broadly. Single combo suggestions are fine, but broader ideas on total approach are better. We're all ears to constructive suggestions along those lines.
 
Would two weekly TT's be possible at times, one Tuning and one Stock? Different or same track. I don't this has been asked yet.
I ran for 30 minutes on Hatch and shaved off 2 seconds, pays to keep retrying!
 
Would two weekly TT's be possible at times, one Tuning and one Stock? Different or same track. I don't this has been asked yet.
I ran for 30 minutes on Hatch and shaved off 2 seconds, pays to keep retrying!
Post it in the suggestions box. :)

Not sure I've ever heard that one as an idea, might be cool to try with the same car? See who is fastest without tuning, who is fastest with. Would likely need to be a car that drives OK/not too much of a handful out of the box, but still has some upside with tuning.

If you picked up 2 seconds in one session, you should keep going back. That's a nice big improvement, keep running until tenths are hard to come by. 👍
 
Hey guys, just wondering. Is participating in the WRS as a DS3 user worth the effort? If so, I'll gladly start hot lapping:D
 
Hey guys, just wondering. Is participating in the WRS as a DS3 user worth the effort? If so, I'll gladly start hot lapping:D
We've had many controller drivers over the years. Some of them quite successful.

Comb through our leaderboard, you can see who is using controllers in the 3rd column from the left. If you click on a driver, you'll see their results page, like the ones I've linked below.

@viper84 is in D2, and has many division wins (10) and podiums (25) to his name.

http://wrs.gtplanet.net/driver/GTP_viper84/

We've also had guys start out on controllers, move to wheel, and move up through the ranks.

@mohitraina91 is the most recent example, he was D3 at the start of GT5 and made it to D1.

http://wrs.gtplanet.net/driver/GTP_gooners_17/
 
I took off 5 tenths off my Brands Hatch time. Today was a good day.



Hey, you forgot me and GTP_Spud. :sly: Also Viper got promoted to D1! 👍
That post was really not my wall of text, let's be honest. :lol:

Good point on Viper's promotion.

Did not recall you started with controller. But you use wheel now, right?

We should really charge the wheel companies a commission. ;)
 
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Good point on Viper's promotion.

Did not recall you started with controller. But you use wheel now, right?

We should really charge the wheel companies a commission. ;)

Yeah, I used a DS3 when I joined last May and was put into D1 Bronze. Steadily moved my way into Silver after a close battle with Ramon and Mike in week 123. Then I moved to the wheel and won three time trials. :)
 
Gotta give you credit Andrew, you're not shy about self promotion. :lol:

Anyways, really having trouble improving at Willow. Don't know if I just ran a monster of a lap the one time or I just suck at trying to improve there. :confused: My bet would be the latter. :lol: About 40 hours invested there so I'm about ready to call it good and let the chips fall where they may on that one. That is one pig of a car though, I'll tell you that. :banghead:
 
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Hey guys, just wondering. Is participating in the WRS as a DS3 user worth the effort? If so, I'll gladly start hot lapping:D

Plenty of very fast people on pads, me and tidgney managed to make GT academy national finals a few years ago on pads, samurai from Japan is super quick and has won some seasonal events and he's not the only one,
But if you enjoy being competitive and play regularly enough, I'd surgest buying a G27 or similar, you won't regret it and it will pay off in the end :)
 
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Plenty of very fast people on pads, me and tidgney managed to make GT academy national finals a few years ago on pads, samurai from Japan is super quick and has won some seasonal events and he's not the only one,
But if you enjoy being competitive and play regularly enough, I'd surgest buying a G27 or similar, you won't regret it and it will pay off in the end :)

Qualifying for GT Academy on Pads was crazy haha :D! But as Marky has said you can always compete on the pad especially with the sensitivity now to!
 
Tried both parts of the qualifier now.

Excellent choices for both. I've found myself running lap after lap until I get to a point where it's becoming destructive for my progress in that session.

It's always best to give it go see how you get on, leave it for a while and then come back to it... if not you will just end up over driving and get frustrated, I myself fall into that trap!
 
I'm considering giving up on Brands Hatch. I've probably got half a second or so of potential improvement, but it is utterly impossible to drive the BMW fast consistently. Several times now I've been up a tenth or more, only to either skid off at the next corner, or take the corner cautiously and lose several tenths.

To be brutally honest, driving the BMW (at least with the stock tune) is just not fun, which completely kills my motivation to improve. :(

Fortunately, I find driving the Megane at Willow Springs is a lot more enjoyable.
 
Welp. One thing's for sure, I definitely need a Kevin-to-Redneck translator. Can't even make it through half a sentence before I wanna grab a dictionary.

Kevin while racing: if i hit the next corner at an 83º angle while applying 33% brake pressure until the apex, I can accelerate .004825 quicker at 70% throttle to gain.1275 at the split.

Me: don't overshoot, don't overshoot, don't overshoot.... don't slide!!!! Heeeey I gained a tenth! Damn it's a dirty lap..
 
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I actually have the opposite point of view...

The fact that no one has any idea of their ranking or even what to expect... THAT is EXciting !

Yes there are Aliens out there, but with the GT6 qualifier, pretty much everyone now starts from scratch and we all have "equal" rights... (yes some use the wheels, others use the DS3) but essentially, we all have hopes to be the best ... the best of ourselves without already feeling like we might belong to the Gold Silver or Bronze...

In short, for this first round of qualifier on GT6, you are only competing with your own self, and that is a great learning tool.

Enjoy the game humbly ;) Have fun and dont forget to take care of other duties around the house!
I think you should try until you can no longer improve by 0.001 of a second! :lol: Everyone has their limit, just for us aliens we know when we've hit it as it's probably not possible to go very much faster. For everyone else, if you think you've hit your limit, keep coming back for an hour or two every so often, and you might find you'll knock a slightly bigger chunk off your time 👍 :)
 
Hey! It's not that bad in Div 2! :lol: You're easily fast enough for Div 1, but some guys would be proud to be a Div 2 driver so let's go easy eh ;)

I second that thought. When I made it to D2, I was most proud and really felt like I accomplished something....especially coming from D4 where I started.

@doodlemonoply Whatever it takes I guess.
 
I am going to give it my best shot. If I go back in rankings then so be it. I then have to enter the time trials and improve. I think I am now within .2 on both. If this were a normal week long TT, I would be pretty happy with both laps. However, I am going to run laps every day I that I have time until the end, who knows maybe something new will click.

edit Shortly after posting this I decided to run a few laps at Willow. I found the .2 I was looking for. After watching the replay, it appears I can find even a little more. Seeing as I thought I was maxed out, I really started pushing the limits. I left the track more times than not, but the lap I improved on was clean. I tried the handbrake a few times, it normally ends like Lucas' photo in the photo thread, with me sideways. The Brands Hatch combo seems harder to find time, Willow has lots of little places to make decisions on how best to attack the course which can improve the lap.
 
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