Hypothetical question: Would you be mad at PD if the grind was the same, but...

[Keef]

Even if you removed the fact that the economy is designed to push frustrated people toward MTX, we still would've done the math and found out that the game economy was too slow and the grind was too hard. In fact, all the research people did to find the fastest methods was completely independent of the MTX. The only point was to find the fastest method and what they discovered is that the fastest method is slower than ever. That would still be true even without MTX.

The only thing the MTX and related revelations is responsible for it tanking the user scores on Metacritic. That probably would not have happened if the MTX didn't exist or if it didn't exist in its current overpriced state.

 

[NSR500]

I don't think MTX is good, even very small prize money is not particularly motivating, but the most outrageous thing is that no matter how the status / collection progress was worked out (with "sweat" or real money), if the servers are switched off after a few years, the entire vehicle collection is gone ! (compulsory online)
And that robs me of the motivation to try for GT7 - even though it's a very nice, promising racing game.

It's not the low wages or MTX that should be protested - it's the condition of ALWAYS being online!!!

 

[ebadevil]

I would still be mildly confused and disappointed by the low payouts, but I certainly wouldn't be mad about it. I can forgive a certain level of incompetence or this being more of an "early access" game. Unlike other people, I don't particularly mind that the game is not as big as we would've hoped. I understand that it's not easy to make a game of this scale, and especially in the work environment of the past two years. What I can't forgive is being treated like a fool and/or a cash cow. Don't insult my intelligence by making up some BS. Tell me what's actually going on and I'll adjust accordingly. But whatever is going on at this time is unacceptable.

 

[HERE4BEER3]

Yes, but I do not think MTX are a bad thing the way it is in GT7.....before you chew my head off let me explain.

The MTX in GT7 only make a player progress faster and gives them no advantage over other players. It's not like you can only buy the best cars with real money or only buy soft tires with real money ect. It only allows the players willing to buy their way it of a grind(more on this later).

The infuriating bits:

The exchange rate of $ for credits is beyond stupid....20$ for 2 million? The 18 mil cars cost the equivalent of $180 dollars? I could understand if these were simulation level vehicles with super realistic damage models and drive 100% like their real world counterpart. But who are we kidding, this is GT7, 180$ for a RWD road car with a ton of power and no downforce, it's going to spin out as soon as you touch the throttle and will be borderline undriveable LOL.

The Boring Grind.... I don't mind a grind, as long as it's fun. GT7 grind is so unbelievably boring. The only races that payout half decent are the menu races and only a few of them at that. This means doing the same race against the AI over and over and over. They have features like custom races, Daily races, online lobbies, you know, the actual fun parts of the game that people would willingly invest time into. But no, these pay next to nothing. The 18 mil cars would be a 200hr investment if players grinded this way.

PD can easily have it both ways if the $ to credit exchange rate was reasonable, say $19.99 for a full 20 million.
Make in game credit earnings better for the actual fun, customizable, non repetitive game modes. Say 100K credit for doing a daily race with a multiplier for distance and finishing position, incentivize playing online for heaven sake.

PD have been in the industry for 25 years and I just fixed their game in 8 minutes on the crapper.....

 

[Pizzicato1985]

I'd still not be happy as there's no way I'll pay for those macro-transactions, so for me they might as well not exist.

But let's be real: the entire reason the economy is so poor is to push the the MTX's. If they didn't exist we'd be seeing a) the return of the performance bonus from GT Sport where you earned more credits the lower your BoP was b) fair payouts in the first place. c) a seasonal event with large payouts on launch d) the entire career mode on launch e) the ability to sell cars. If not all of these, at least three-four of them...

We know companies hire consumer psychologists whom consult with companies in how to structure a game in order to incentivize purchases. There are multi-hour vids on YT from dev conventions of Power Point/Keynote presentations teaching the devs how to implement these things, so it's far from a conspiracy theory. These leaked presentations are how "whale" and "minnow" became part of the vernacular of normal gamers; we know how they view us and the lengths to which they will go in order to milk every last cent from those vulnerable to such manipulation.

 

[ploopsy]

I dont have as much time to play the game as I used to 10-20 years ago and have sort of come to rely on MTX to save time.

I preordered GT7 with the expectation that they would continue trends which were established in GTS in terms of MTX and how much real world $$$ it takes to outright buy a car. Its handy for me because if I feel like racing online for a few hours on a friday evening I just want to hop in the required or META cars and get on with it. I am also not a fan of how you have to grind in the game just to buy cars which are required for certain events only for the payouts to be a fraction of what I paid just to compete in them.

The big disappointment is seeing cars which went for 5$ in sport get jacked to 200$ in GT7. If the cars were 1$-5$ then I would probably spend 5$-10$ every month just to avoid certain grinds but if cars are 20$-200$ then I wont spend a single penny.

 

[zzz_pt]

Yes, because it’s still an affront to my time. I paid 99€ for this game, I expect to have access to ALL the content whenever I want within reasonable amount of time.

The fact they implemented ridiculously high priced MTX, a ridiculous invite system which means you can only buy some cars if you have the invitation, plus an equally ridiculous random rotation of cars both in the legendary dealership and UCD within which cars can be sold out before I get the credits to buy then, is an absolute disaster in terms of game design.


It’s not fun. I play games to have fun.

 

[soc123_au]

Yes. The current economy is ridiculous. I get some people enjoy the grind and it’s expected to some extent. But at least give us options in custom races or at least a few meta races to help solve it. That way those that enjoy putting in thousands of hours can still torture themselves while the rest of us can still play the way we want to.

 

[FoxMulder]

.......there was NO microtransactions whatsoever in the game? In other words, the payouts are still pitifully low, but you cannot buy anything with real money. Everything has to be earned with in-game Cr. Would you still be pissed at PD? Just curious.

It would still be awful as is.

They could have made a long career mode with actual progression as you rise up to better cars. That would have been fun. The cafe is a tutorial with nothing after it especially for higher level cars.

I think having MTX for people that want to pay to save time is fine. Let them spend $20 or $100. It’s how they built the whole game economy to feel like a scummy f2p game with FOMO tactics to push into buying currency that angers people.

 

[zacscy]

.......there was NO microtransactions whatsoever in the game? In other words, the payouts are still pitifully low, but you cannot buy anything with real money. Everything has to be earned with in-game Cr. Would you still be pissed at PD? Just curious.

I’ll begin by saying that I don’t like MTX:s overall. Especially when it affects the in-game economy or creates a ”play to win”-scenario, I don’t mind MTX:s as something that’s used for cosmetics, emotes, and other things that aren’t core to the game.

That being said, with or without MTX:s, it wouldn’t matter. There are still major issues.

Things they could do to alleviate the issue and keep the grind the same:

1) Get rid of the time limits to buy cars. I wouldn’t mind it as much if players knew that when they finally had their 20.000.000, the frickin’ car was still available to them, and that they didn’t have to wait for potentially 3 months, or longer, for it to be available again.
Barring that, at least reintroduce in-game days that progress the date every time the player completes a race, which in turn changes some of the available cars in the UCD and LCD. While I still find this ”solution” annoying, it’s better than what the players have now.

2) Enable players to have a ”wallet” that can hold 99.999.999 Cr or preferably more. This is only if they insist on keeping the availability limited. That way people can at least keep playing past 20.000.000 Cr. (without their credits spilling into the void) if they’re just waiting for new cars to become available.

3) Get rid of always online for single player.

 

[LGBT_Barron]

I'm kinda on the fence with this issue. I'd prefer there was no MTX but to my utter shame i did buy some credits as i needed a certain car to do a race for my league, i then bought the wrong tyres for it....which obvs you can't get a refund on, my mistake but why the option to buy sport tyres for a GR3/4 car is there mystifys me. But to answer your question i'd prefer of they weren't in the game as it makes it a level playing field.

On a side note i don't get the legend cars section. Why would 'waste' your hard earned credits or money on a car that will never be used ?.....Am i missing something ?

 

[Imari]

.......there was NO microtransactions whatsoever in the game? In other words, the payouts are still pitifully low, but you cannot buy anything with real money. Everything has to be earned with in-game Cr. Would you still be pissed at PD? Just curious.

The MTX may have been what drove them to design the economy like this, but just removing the MTX doesn't change what's broken about the economy.

Ignoring the fact that payouts are way too low for the high prices that the game charges for cars, the main problem is the lack of content that pays at or near the optimal rate. Whatever GT7 decides the optimal earning rate is, there's only a few things that you can do to earn it.

A good game would have online, custom races, and a wide variety of championships, challenges, and time trials that all rewarded the player roughly equally for time spent. If you could make money doing whatever you found most fun, it would take a lot of the edge off of needing to spend huge amounts of time to earn one virtual asset.

As it is you're stuck grinding the same races over and over, races that you're probably not that into and that don't provide any sort of challenge. That's not fun gameplay, that's a chore.

The payouts could be low if that's ultimately what they wanted, but the entire economy would have to be rebuilt in order to make that work in a way that is fun for the majority of players. Just removing MTX does nothing.

 

[Samus]

Yes. Obviously. Nothing changes for anyone who wasn't going to buy MTs. It just removes the obvious justification for them being like this.

 

[jrbabbitt]

played 25 days and earned 77.000.000 credits and the way it's going with GT7 I will get rich way

I would love to know how you earned that amount in 25 days? So I can do the same.. really I want to earn my cars the old way of working for them. I honestly thought it was good MTX that SPORT had, if you really wanted a certain special car you could buy one and it may cost you about what, 12.95 in the PS Store? I did it, when I first got GTSport that very first day I bought the Ferrari GTB365 , l love that car, paid 5 dollars, j really wanted it. But now to buy an 18,000,000 Porsche 917 it would cost me easily $180.00 that is way too much for a digital racecar.
So to answer the main question, no it would not bother me if there were no MTX.
I am bothered that I have to grind my ### off to get that 917, or the McLaren F1

 

[manion]

I'm not now nor will I ever participate in micro transactions in video games. I have simply stopped playing because there is no more single player content that I am interested in. I have done some missions but they don't really interest me and I'm not interested in grinding a single race especially a rally to get credits.

Not being able to earn cars or roulette tickets over and over again from championships and then sell cars you don't want for credits is the single dumbest move made for the GT series even more than the need to be always online. This game has basically 0 replayability for me at this stage and I am someone who has sunk minimum 1000 hours into GT 1-6 and close to 800 hours of driving time in GT sport.

This feels like half a game. The piss poor ingame economy is a small part of it but it feels like half the single player events are missing as well. It's not just micro transactions that are turning people away from the game

 

[LGBT_Barron]

I am bothered that I have to grind my ### off to get that 917, or the McLaren F1

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post but....do you want the 917 or F1 ? and why do you want them ?

 

[Nuschel01]

[...] why the option to buy sport tyres for a GR3/4 car is there mystifys me.

Group 4 cars on SS tires are far more fun than on RHs

 

[Samus]

I played 25 days and earned 77.000.000 credits and the way it's going with GT7 I will get rich way faster.. And no one cared about the earnings in gtsport..

No, you were driving for nearly 25 days total. 87,000KM. Almost 600 hours just driving, not counting time in all the menus and loading. In terms of real world, actual days playing you played for 1019. Let's not be disingenuous to try and make a point, eh? Not to mention your 77M total lifetime earnings is still not enough to buy just the four most expensive cars.

Oh and yes, people absolutely cared about the earnings in GTS, for that very reason.

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[Nuschel01]

77mil earned in GTS isn't even much

 

[jrbabbitt]

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[MrTintin]

How about reward only cars.
Locked behind gold trophies or some proper difficult races were you can't tune your car to God mode.

 

[jrbabbitt]

I played 25 days and earned 77.000.000 credits and the way it's going with GT7 I will get rich way faster.. And no one cared about the earnings in gtsport..

So these were GT SPORT stats? Bloody misrepresentation of facts, bloody figures...

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post but....do you want the 917 or F1 ? and why do you want them ?

I want them because I like the 917 and the history behind it, as for the F1, I had one in Sport and it was a dream on the tracks in the game.
There are other cars I just want like the 917 just to have and drive with friends and dare I say it, maybe use in a daily race..
I'm 58 and I love the older cars, the history, the basics.
GT is better than the old slot car tracks I used to play with when I was much younger, better because you have more accurate cars, tracks and now conditions to race in. We would short out the slot tracks if we tried to make rain lol...

 

[MrTintin]

I want what I can't have and I want it now!
I can't believe they expect me to drive in this driving game.
Tuned my car to God mode and drove it once now my attention span is waning after 2 weeks.

P.S Not serious.

 

[SnakeOfBacon]

I'm mostly disappointed because after all this wait, instead of a decent, at least GT3-length campaign with more events added for new cars and tracks, the game launches with a menu and, to go with their analogy, there's nothing on it but entrées!

So yes, delicious as the garlic bread was, I've been wanting to go to this restaurant for 9 years and I even pre-paid for my dinner 6 months back! What's gone wrong in the kitchen?!

 

[tonystarks131]

I'm mostly disappointed because after all this wait, instead of a decent, at least GT3-length campaign with more events added for new cars and tracks, the game launches with a menu and, to go with their analogy, there's nothing on it but entrées!

So yes, delicious as the garlic bread was, I've been wanting to go to this restaurant for 9 years and I even pre-paid for my dinner 6 months back! What's gone wrong in the kitchen?!

You think you can eat once you arrive? NO.

Watch over the growth of your dinner from a longer term point of view.