Kaz interview on Eurogamer - Standards are here to stay! Poll added

[DonZonda]

Stop it. Right there

Every car has detailed wheels, even more detailed than some of the cars, actually

Exactly....

Just to Show a few

 

[ironman44321]

ORLY? Well I'm sorry but it has everything to do with competition bud. You can't say that PD are too blind to not see there is competition. GT is going to suffer if PD continues to go that way.

I never said PD didn't pay attention to other racing games or to what the fans want. I'm saying that as it stands there isn't a viable threat to GT sales wise.

To suggest that if PD don't make drastic changes to GT now or they'll lose out to some other game just isn't in line with reality. People always forget that we aren't the majority of people who buy GT. Obviously the main complaints here aren't the main purchase point for most people who buy in this genre or Forza would be the best selling racing games (minus games like MK).

 

[Kino321-X]

Of the issues that this game has, this one is the bottom of my list, I'm more curious about reference to a July update, are we going to see the promised content, Course Creator, B-Spec etc., or is this being dumped to GT7.

Kaz from Reddit:

I think you're talking about the track maker, the Beta version is already working and in my hands now. When we can deliver it to users is still up in the air.

 

[GTPorsche]

The standard complaints are quite hilarious when everyone is going on raving about GRID Autosport released today that has cars with blacked out interior views...

At least there's some detail in their interiors.... even with a blur put over everything.

 

[iRevelationz]

Please no. Having them in GT5/6 was debatable, but I could let it go.

But putting PS2 models in a PS4 game? Completely and utterly asinine, not to mention lazy. I'm not putting out $400 for a console and $60 for a game that has the majority of it's content existing on the PS2 and PS3, in the forum of Gran Turismo 3, 4, 5, and 6. If I want to use Standard cars, I'll stick to one of those games. Plenty enough options there.

Get with the times PD, before your competition leaves you in the dust.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

PD should just put a prompt before starting the game the 1st time ( new game ) on GT7, "Do you want to use only premium cars offered in GT7 ?" Click YES if you only want to see premium, no standard cars will be viewable or accessible, EVER, unless you start another new game/save and click NO.

PD should label standard cars as Legacy models, only accessible when choosing NO on new game save creation. Option is always good.

 

[MOV Games]

Haven't even bought GT6, and will leave GT forever if GT7 has standards. It's actually heart-breaking to see the quality slip so much in the past four years.

 

[ironman44321]

I was just reading through the course maker thread and someone pointed out something from the interview that everyone seems to have skipped.

"The Course Maker and B-Spec modes, which are still absent from the game, are coming in an imminent update."

Now, I know what the word imminent means...but I don't know what it means in this context...

For me this line is WWWAAAAYYYY more important than anything about the standards.

 

[jimipitbull]

If GT7 released on PS2, I'd still buy it.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

I think it's a terrible case of quantity over quality. I was hoping GT7 would go the way of GT3, everything fresh, new and to an equal level of polish.

In this instance, they may as well chuck in some of the GT1-2 cars and tracks if it's a case of "don't drive them if you don't want to" (even though it's been impossible to complete the career mode without them).

Developers NEED to get rid of the release it as soon as possible mentality and delay their games to bring them up to par. I would rather see an extra year of delay to wipe out the standard cars and bring back a premium model of each variation - There's really not that many when you eradicate the many duplicates.

 

[MasamuneDate]

Please no. Having them in GT5/6 was debatable, but I could let it go.

But putting PS2 models in a PS4 game? Completely and utterly asinine, not to mention lazy. I'm not putting out $400 for a console and $60 for a game that has the majority of it's content existing on the PS2 and PS3, in the forum of Gran Turismo 3, 4, 5, and 6. If I want to use Standard cars, I'll stick to one of those games. Plenty enough options there.

Get with the times PD, before your competition leaves you in the dust.

I'm already seeing Sony ditching GT and handing the project of their new main racing exclusive to another of their worldwide studios.

 

[ironman44321]

I'm already seeing Sony ditching GT and handing the project of their new main racing exclusive to another of their worldwide studios.

hahahahaha please tell me you're not serious? please please please...or better yet, explain the timeline that leads to your conclusion.

 

[jimipitbull]

I'm already seeing Sony ditching GT and handing the project of their new main racing exclusive to another of their worldwide studios.

No way. You just wait and see how many new cars start getting Sony car stereos fitted as standard features, thanks to the VGT collaborations.

 

[MasamuneDate]

No way. You just wait and see how many new cars start getting Sony car stereos fitted as standard features, thanks to the VGT collaborations.

Ah, I see, it's just about the business and the cash in their pockets.
That explains why GT is going the way it is.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I think the standard cars in GT7 will be similar to RUF quality in GT6, with 1080p, much higher res texture, aliasing, better tesselation and lighting. It may be close to driveclub on track model minus interior details perhaps

 

[ImaRobot]

I think the standard cars in GT7 will be similar to RUF quality in GT6, with 1080p, much higher res texture, aliasing, better tesselation and lighting. It may be close to driveclub on track model minus interior details perhaps

I doubt that, or they wouldnt even have commented on standards, if they were that quality.

 

[jimipitbull]

Ah, I see, it's just about the business and the cash in their pockets.
That explains why GT is going the way it is.

Can you name some companies that aren't in business for the money?

 

[SavageEvil]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...er&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialoomph

Highlights
- likely a full game and not a Prologue
- sounds not likely to improve much until GT7
- Course Maker and B-spec in an imminent update (not a Kaz quote though)
- STANDARDS ARE HERE TO STAY!!

...

"I doubt that we'll be throwing away the standard cars," said Yamauchi. "Each car has its own fans. So I think we'll hang on to the archive. In the meanwhile, some of those cars we may be able to make into Premium cars as they become available - but basically we're more focussed on increasing the number of premium cars."

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Not to point any fingers but why are you only highlighting certain parts of the article? I deleted the rest as it's long and it's about things everyone can read in the OP. Just that you bold standards are here to stay and then the first two quotes from Kaz then completely bypass the rest which pertains to the first two?

What is crazy is people are upset and haven't paused for a second to think about what was actually said. Let me help, Kaz said some of those cars(standard) we may be able to make into Premium cars as they become available. Now lets see the Speed 8, C9, Alpine 1600s weren't premium in GT5, but they are in GT6. So do with that whatever you will. I'm not going to argue, I'm just pointing out that you're being biased and inflammatory for whatever your reasons may be and intentionally glossing over and outright selectively viewing what you want.

This isn't necessarily aimed at you, just something I came across whilst writing my reply and thought I'd include.

The quantity over quality remark is rubbish, there are 453 Premium cars in GT6 now and that number is only going to grow as the standard car count begins to recede, you guys really can reach though. Honestly do you really think GT 7 will launch with less Premium cars than we have at present? Somehow they will get stuck and not make a single car for 2 years? Wow, just wow! I'm at a loss for words for that sort of decidedly bombastic and dramatic thinking, some of you would do well as writers for the National Inquirer or the Sun. Reading some of the doom and gloom posts from the few, but if you take a gander at the poll it bodes well for GT 7 as it's about how the game plays and where to enjoy their GT fix. You are free to play all the other games and leave GT in the dust, no one will chide you for it, I promise . We here at GT Planet welcome individuality and nurture independent though as well as being respectful of opposing ideals.

I'll leave with this as you are free to dislike KAz decisions as much as it's anyone else decisions to hear them and keep on going on with their lives. Play on and stay healthy folks.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I doubt that, or they wouldnt even have commented on standards, if they were that quality.

Then Kaz should be mad on his car model artists ... he would have ordered them to update the standards to be close to GT6 Ruf level of detail at very least and do some touch up + prep for GT7 graphic engine. That's the logical step if standards to be included.

Personally, I am very curious what sort of standard Kaz is aiming on next gen, surely he's not dumb enough to leave it like PS2 models and at least aim at Ruf GT6 level.

 

[Qvale]

They can keep the low poly models and silhouette interiors, just clean up those damn textures!

 

[AleksandarSRB]

If they are updated to semi premium I will be ok... I will buy GT7 and PS4 for sure. BIG PS AND GT FAN, from GT one to GT7 and beyond that!

 

[MasamuneDate]

Can you name some companies that aren't in business for the money?

All of them are in the business for the money, but I definitely don't think keeping standard cars for GT7 is going to boost sales for PD, on the contrary, it will decrease sales. So it's a bad choice.

 

[Kino321-X]

I think the standard cars in GT7 will be similar to RUF quality in GT6, with 1080p, much higher res texture, aliasing, better tesselation and lighting. It may be close to driveclub on track model minus interior details perhaps

If the standards are as you said, then yes I would be fine with that. GT7 standards must essentially be GT5/6 Premium cars without the interior (or maybe a generic one with a working tach/speedo). Anything below that would just be utterly embarrassing and pathetic.

For example:

(credit to NeoGAF)

I and many others wouldn't even touch this game if they ported them like that. This kind of 🤬 needs to be left behind. Unacceptable.

Now an even cleaner version of this:

Would be fine.

 

[88FoxBodyFan]

I'll treat standards just like I treated them in GTs 5 & 6, as if they aren't there.

 

[MasamuneDate]

Not to point any fingers but why are you only highlighting certain parts of the article? I deleted the rest as it's long and it's about things everyone can read in the OP. Just that you bold standards are here to stay and then the first two quotes from Kaz then completely bypass the rest which pertains to the first two?

What is crazy is people are upset and haven't paused for a second to think about what was actually said. Let me help, Kaz said some of those cars(standard) we may be able to make into Premium cars as they become available. Now lets see the Speed 8, C9, Alpine 1600s weren't premium in GT5, but they are in GT6. So do with that whatever you will. I'm not going to argue, I'm just pointing out that you're being biased and inflammatory for whatever your reasons may be and intentionally glossing over and outright selectively viewing what you want.

This isn't necessarily aimed at you, just something I came across whilst writing my reply and thought I'd include.

The quantity over quality remark is rubbish, there are 453 Premium cars in GT6 now and that number is only going to grow as the standard car count begins to recede, you guys really can reach though. Honestly do you really think GT 7 will launch with less Premium cars than we have at present? Somehow they will get stuck and not make a single car for 2 years? Wow, just wow! I'm at a loss for words for that sort of decidedly bombastic and dramatic thinking, some of you would do well as writers for the National Inquirer or the Sun. Reading some of the doom and gloom posts from the few, but if you take a gander at the poll it bodes well for GT 7 as it's about how the game plays and where to enjoy their GT fix. You are free to play all the other games and leave GT in the dust, no one will chide you for it, I promise . We here at GT Planet welcome individuality and nurture independent though as well as being respectful of opposing ideals.

I'll leave with this as you are free to dislike KAz decisions as much as it's anyone else decisions to hear them and keep on going on with their lives. Play on and stay healthy folks.

It's still launching with 700+ standards. It doesn't matter if this number recedes with time, the damned standards will still be there.

 

[jimipitbull]

All of them are in the business for the money, but I definitely don't think keeping standard cars for GT7 is going to boost sales for PD, on the contrary, it will decrease sales. So it's a bad choice.

12 people from GTP wont make much difference. Majority of sales go to casuals who just want to drive cars.

Mariokart outsells every other racing game, it's cars are nowhere near the quality of current standards in GT.

 

[ColouredBadger]

I personally don't care about the cockpit views too much, yes they're nice to have but I don't use them. I tend to use the bonnet camera so the blacked out cockpit of the standards doesn't affect me.

However. How can they seriously put this car;

Into an environment that would potentially look like this?

It's like baking a perfect cake, getting it spot on with flavours and texture and then allowing someone to relieve their bowels onto said cake after eating an Indian Takeaway...

It's just not on. Not in today's gaming industry.


All being said, I would still buy GT7 but I would do what I do with GT6 currently and ignore the existence of Standard cars completely.

 

[CeeJay]

The more I think about it, as much as I loath standard cars being in a PS4 game (it's just flat out embarrassing at this point) my decision on GT7 won't hinge on that. It's going to hinge on the single player aspect and the options available to the player to set up races, championships, options for qualifying, practicing. If GT sticks to the same basic gameplay of the past 15 years I may hold off. I'm sure I'd pick it up at some point but I really don't know if I want to keep playing the same boring career mode & the same limited time attack/arcade mode.

PD needs to focus on making a great videogame (regarding options and customization of the gameplay) at some point.

 

[MasamuneDate]

12 people from GTP wont make much difference. Majority of sales go to casuals who just want to drive cars.

Mariokart outsells every other racing game, it's cars are nowhere near the quality of current standards in GT.

12 people? Really? Every asset in Mario Kart have the same quality, it's homogeneous; that's not the case with Gran Turismo.

 

[IneedSchool]

I'm amazed at how people were so happy for PD with the Senna and Red Bull Ring stuff and now they can't stop throwing up on what they just read. That's good, everything is back to normal.