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In my opinion, standard cars shouldn't really matter unless their damage looks so unrealistic. Need for Speed games have no interior view at all, but has realistic car damage.
Kaz interview on Eurogamer - Standards are here to stay! Poll added
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They've made what looks like to me, a clear move away from the ordinary every day cars and more towards, concepts, specialties and fantasy cars. I counted around 20 of what I'd call ordinary cars added to GT6 at launch. Depending on where you slot Mario's Hudson and the BMW M4, arguably there have been zero added to the game since launch.
To me this was a big part of the "soul" of Gran Turismo. Enough race cars and supercars to make it interesting, a sprinkling of concept cars for the "wow" factor, but the majority of the game, ordinary everyday cars that most working adults in first world countries can afford at some point with a decent income. Clearly they are moving away from this, at least to me.
I believe the standards are modeled as a single shell and realistic damage isn't possible.
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You tell me, one of my favorite cars is the Flaken GT-R even though it looks so horribleI will by GT7 no doubt but standard cars must be updated on semi-premium level like RUF's, Seat Ibiza, old Nissan Skyline or R390 GT1... A majority of standard's look like 🤬 . This Alfa is one of my favorite car, but it look soooo baaad
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Everyone keeps repeating they are certain or have no doubt that they will update standards to semi-premiums, but I don't see the logic. They have modeled about 40 unique premium cars per year for about 10 years. How exactly are they going to allocate modeling resources to touch up 100's of standard shells and still pump out enough new product for GT7 to make it marketable? Throw in 30 VGT cars in the next few months and I just don't see where they have the resources outside of a massive hiring push or outsourcing.I will by GT7 no doubt but standard cars must be updated on semi-premium level like RUF's, Seat Ibiza, old Nissan Skyline or R390 GT1... A majority of standard's look like 🤬 . This Alfa is one of my favorite car, but it look soooo baaad
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Yet they model interiors...
Either way, IMO and like someone said, standard cars in next-gen is unacceptable no matter what. It's very, very silly.
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I don't get why so many people would be okay with it, I mean I don't really nitpick graphics in a game but standards would stand out like a sore thumb on next gen.
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If they like those cars then just play GT6, GT5 or GT4, or even GT3. It's simple.
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Agree, it was one of the reasons that makes GT great.
I´m still on the fence about whether I like that standards are carried over to GT7, but I will probably buy the game anyway. For me it´s not a game-breaker thing.
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In regards to the title, Standards weren't "confirmed" to be in GT7. Kaz said he "thinks" they will be included, meaning that there is still a possibility that they won't.
As for the argument, I used to be for Standards, but now I just don't care. I just want to have fun again in a GT game like I did in GT3 and GT4.
As for the argument, I used to be for Standards, but now I just don't care. I just want to have fun again in a GT game like I did in GT3 and GT4.
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If they are only adding 40 unique premium cars per year then that is terrible.
Carrying over Standards to me is like fixing a pot hole by filling it with dirt, and expecting it to just stay fixed, or the equivalent of trying to fix the roof only for it to go back to leaking within a week.
Is it a true game-breaker maybe not, but that's because it was on PS3 at first, but once people see how superior graphics are compared to PS3 on PS4 that may not be the case any longer.
At first when I played Battlefield 4 that was Nov. Last Year it was just passable for me it was next-gen, but not true NG(next-gen), but then just played it again last week, and there was a difference big time at least online couldn't take my eyes off it. Friend told me they had hella updates though didn't even know about it.
Bringing that all around I'd hate to have a game look like BF4 online currently and then see a standard car next to a premium car it would just ruin a lot of things. People say you don't pay attention to this stuff, but I'm sorry think it's been determine we do pay attention to these details more and more.
Carrying over Standards to me is like fixing a pot hole by filling it with dirt, and expecting it to just stay fixed, or the equivalent of trying to fix the roof only for it to go back to leaking within a week.
Is it a true game-breaker maybe not, but that's because it was on PS3 at first, but once people see how superior graphics are compared to PS3 on PS4 that may not be the case any longer.
At first when I played Battlefield 4 that was Nov. Last Year it was just passable for me it was next-gen, but not true NG(next-gen), but then just played it again last week, and there was a difference big time at least online couldn't take my eyes off it. Friend told me they had hella updates though didn't even know about it.
Bringing that all around I'd hate to have a game look like BF4 online currently and then see a standard car next to a premium car it would just ruin a lot of things. People say you don't pay attention to this stuff, but I'm sorry think it's been determine we do pay attention to these details more and more.
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I'll likely buy this game anyways. I just want to experience GT7 like I did when I played GT3 for the first time.
Like it was Christmas; Like I will be blown the ***!!!@# away!! LOL
Some of the Vision GT trailers or Teasers, at certain points hint what this new game is going to look like & it looks
cinematic. It just seems that way.. Hey, this is the PS4!!! Killzone looked amazing, GT7 should look even better...
I'm just saying that, for me, as in my memories; GT3 was the best experience.. Loved it, it's playlists for Career or
Simulation Mode were flawless from start to finish.. The Garage, (even as primitive as it was, was just strait to the
point) The biggest thing about GT3, was that it was a complete game, & offered the basic features and traits to please
a gamer.
In my perspective, those traits were qualities, qualities we haven't fully realized yet, as they don't have names n all,
but I guess that is what really made Gran Turismo an amazing game. We get to that point & we are going somewhere.
As for the game; when I get down to getting a PS4, GT7 is on the list. I will buy it, no strings attached..
MUCH LOVE!!!!! to SONY! ^_^
TO ZUKO
I loved you statement, it made sense. I'm GT7 regardless of it's standard or regular details, but seriously, this is
the PS4 we are talking. I agree with you on this because, like what I said about GT3 on the PS2, (which is a 9.8
rated game in the world & actually has a sell count that tops the highest sells poles of Cod right now, on actual
sell charts) Gran Turismo 3 was a complete game & had a premise of qualities that have a subject in our discussions.
I loved GT because of a visual treat & a gaming flow. The heatwaves, the music, everything in GT3 was perfect. If
you wanted a perfect example of a racing game; (nothing comes closer) atleast for me. Split screen, seperate
account garage data. Offline dedications, all of that! That made GT what it was. A complete gaming experience..
I would ask Kaz to wait, slow it down, put work into all of GT7's elements, (The rain on the windows, just like GT5's.
Like!! What happen to that. I want it back. LOL!!! GT7 Needs to be a complete game. At least, have 1000 cars or 900
of e'm that look as good as the image seen as my profile pic & we are talking. I am buying this game, when I get the
chance, but it doesn't need any standards. Let KAZ know, that GT7 needs to represent the PS4, not a half done game.
(Better put, 80% done.)
Even if he doesn't make it all premium, I'm just saying; buying this game will be all the same, but KAZ needs
to put all of his funding (where applicatible) strait into GT7. Get it done right so that it stands up to GT3's rating.
It's about those funds They gotta put in into the game. Standards will be disappointing, but GT7's final product
will overshadow this. I just want this to be Christmas when I was a kid all over again. The first time, when I
played Gran Turismo for the first time.
Like it was Christmas; Like I will be blown the ***!!!@# away!! LOL
Some of the Vision GT trailers or Teasers, at certain points hint what this new game is going to look like & it looks
cinematic. It just seems that way.. Hey, this is the PS4!!! Killzone looked amazing, GT7 should look even better...
I'm just saying that, for me, as in my memories; GT3 was the best experience.. Loved it, it's playlists for Career or
Simulation Mode were flawless from start to finish.. The Garage, (even as primitive as it was, was just strait to the
point) The biggest thing about GT3, was that it was a complete game, & offered the basic features and traits to please
a gamer.
In my perspective, those traits were qualities, qualities we haven't fully realized yet, as they don't have names n all,
but I guess that is what really made Gran Turismo an amazing game. We get to that point & we are going somewhere.
As for the game; when I get down to getting a PS4, GT7 is on the list. I will buy it, no strings attached..
MUCH LOVE!!!!! to SONY! ^_^
TO ZUKO
I loved you statement, it made sense. I'm GT7 regardless of it's standard or regular details, but seriously, this is
the PS4 we are talking. I agree with you on this because, like what I said about GT3 on the PS2, (which is a 9.8
rated game in the world & actually has a sell count that tops the highest sells poles of Cod right now, on actual
sell charts) Gran Turismo 3 was a complete game & had a premise of qualities that have a subject in our discussions.
I loved GT because of a visual treat & a gaming flow. The heatwaves, the music, everything in GT3 was perfect. If
you wanted a perfect example of a racing game; (nothing comes closer) atleast for me. Split screen, seperate
account garage data. Offline dedications, all of that! That made GT what it was. A complete gaming experience..
I would ask Kaz to wait, slow it down, put work into all of GT7's elements, (The rain on the windows, just like GT5's.
Like!! What happen to that. I want it back. LOL!!! GT7 Needs to be a complete game. At least, have 1000 cars or 900
of e'm that look as good as the image seen as my profile pic & we are talking. I am buying this game, when I get the
chance, but it doesn't need any standards. Let KAZ know, that GT7 needs to represent the PS4, not a half done game.
(Better put, 80% done.)
Even if he doesn't make it all premium, I'm just saying; buying this game will be all the same, but KAZ needs
to put all of his funding (where applicatible) strait into GT7. Get it done right so that it stands up to GT3's rating.
It's about those funds They gotta put in into the game. Standards will be disappointing, but GT7's final product
will overshadow this. I just want this to be Christmas when I was a kid all over again. The first time, when I
played Gran Turismo for the first time.
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@Superdirector Another couple of forum tips for you. Mods don't really like us to double post, that is, post back to back. You can use the "edit" button to continue a post with more info, or if you want to reply to multiple posts, just reply to one, type your response, then scroll up and hit "reply" again on another post...and so on.
Also, like I did at the beginning, you can "tag" someone by simply putting the "@" symbol and the starting to type their screen name. A list will pop up of matches and the more you type the shorter the list gets. This sends them a message in their alerts that you tagged them, meaning you mentioned their name in one of your posts.
Also, like I did at the beginning, you can "tag" someone by simply putting the "@" symbol and the starting to type their screen name. A list will pop up of matches and the more you type the shorter the list gets. This sends them a message in their alerts that you tagged them, meaning you mentioned their name in one of your posts.
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In all honesty I don't even see a reason for those cars to return in the first place - not the standards, but the cars themselves. Many are duplicates, and many I have zero interest in ever driving. The ones I was interested in, I've had the past ten years to become very well acquainted with. I would want to see a few rebuilt as premiums, but the wide majority I wouldn't miss.
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"?" PLEASE Read Carefully @Johnnypenso
Let me point something out to you; I know what a double post is. My last post, of which I didn't get a chance to save, was for another user, not the previous. For what ever reasons, the situation you've addressed me of has been over complicated as it concerns how you regard posts of which I find as a technical issue. O_o
The posts that I gave, (that supposedly ended up being two in a row or quote on quote,
"Back to Back" as you called it) weren't meant in such a manner. This can be seen as the two are related to two different conversations focuses if you take a closer look. *One to the thread & then later on, one to Zuku.*
A quote on quote "double post" is a single posting that's sent twice on the same thread in a row. Also it can be a post that's clearly (like the paragraph that I've written) done in segments instead of one. The catch is it's posted to the same person, not two. Another catch is; you want me to combine two posts into one which are clearly different.
Also, there is no reason to edit these two posts or combine them, as they aren't portions of a single comment.
Secondly, if I post to this thread, then after a time, I return & I should post again later, if no one should reply priorly, this is likely going to un-intentionally become a back to back post. Also these two posts, of which I see are now an issue, don't need to be combined as they are not even related. (It just seems a bit weird to make one comment of 2-3 different things, when alot of people aren't doing that.
Now I want to say, almost nobody here uses that "@" sign to be honest.. I never knew youtube replying methods were application here. Normally people quote. Secondly, what makes you think
I need a tutorial on how to use this forum properly? The very reason I used the phrase "To Zuku" was to emphasize speaking with Zuku without quoting his entire post with it "after pressing the quote button. (As I just did here with your post), It takes up space. >_< (& I like to save space when ever possible.)
At that time I didn't know youtube reply methods worked here; but, when you attempt a reply,
there are no options to (just reply to that guy without the who quote) in button form. So I just manually remove these quotes if necessary. I like this particular forum alot more than others, only that I question why is it I am getting a tutorial from you as it pissed me off a bit. Reason 1, mainly, because this situation that I have explained is being taken as some sort of problem. Yeah, well I can double check, (as I never have had to do this before), but it just seems a bit petty. Answers to why such a policy of this sort is in place would be a nice start. That's my whole out look on this little incident.
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Whatever you want to call it, we don't make back to back posts here, if you continue the mods will be making a visit. And we do use the "@" sign here, it's standard practice. You don't have to of course, but it comes in handy when you want someone to know you're mentioning them without quoting an entire post to do so.
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Ditto. The Alfa is among my top favoruite cars in the series but it saddens me seeing it in such horrible state, like a great number of standard cars. Just ditch them already, PD. They're not worthy inclusion in a supposedly ''next-gen'' title.A majority of standard's look like 🤬. This Alfa is one of my favorite car, but it look soooo baaad
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Yeah, that isn't how we roll here. Like it or lump it
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Please read this carefully @Superdirector
A double post is one post after another by the same user. That is what you did. I have merged them.
Perhaps you need to reacquaint yourself with our rules and best practices.
https://www.gtplanet.net/faq/#double_posting
Oh, and putting random words in bold just looks silly.
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I'm willing to bet if on GT7 the car count went down to 600 no one would care if and only if there are more than 60 skylines, 200 miatas, etc etc.
Seriously though we got by with GT3 having what 150 cars vs. GT2 560??(Need clarification as didn't play it). People saying keep the 1500 cars including standards just give me well made premium cars from every car dealership that's what I really want.
It's unfair when 4 car companies are over represented vs. another one with only one car for instance while they have Pagani Hyuara in the game I don't think they had the Cinque. That needs to be fixed in GT7 if you're going to have the dealership give us more than one car to mess with. They make certain car companies seem like it was a one-off car making company again I always use Cadillac, but I know as most people here know the Cien wasn't the only one. Love the XTS, ATS, and CTS.
Seriously though we got by with GT3 having what 150 cars vs. GT2 560??(Need clarification as didn't play it). People saying keep the 1500 cars including standards just give me well made premium cars from every car dealership that's what I really want.
It's unfair when 4 car companies are over represented vs. another one with only one car for instance while they have Pagani Hyuara in the game I don't think they had the Cinque. That needs to be fixed in GT7 if you're going to have the dealership give us more than one car to mess with. They make certain car companies seem like it was a one-off car making company again I always use Cadillac, but I know as most people here know the Cien wasn't the only one. Love the XTS, ATS, and CTS.
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Moderator @daan, I have read these rules of which you speak of & carefully at that. It soo appears that the nature in which they were written, ( Double Posting (#) ) convey what I call an exception. Although I'm not exploiting this, as I don't bend rule systems, I will explain this & be about my business.
Unfortunately, I have ended up creating a double post. Still, with my first paragraph in mind, since I have read these
rules just now, I have to inform you that I haven't broken or exploited any of the rules you asked me to read. Observe
When it comes down to my posts; the first post was clearly to the thread. The other, at some further point on, was to Zuku. My first post was clearly about my pole vote, self evident. However, the 2nd was indepth with Zuku's post. This was an extensive post like first & going into another topic in depth. (What do the rules say of this?)
Based on the rules, I haven't technically broken policy here. Mainly, I have posted two posts which provide reasons
for their existence, self evidently. Sense this meets the exception here, it shouldn't be looked down on. It's right
there in the rule list of which I have logged into file.(Taken it should change.)
Still, the catch is One: I didn't want to make the post too extensive, as naturally, it's complicated for some & results usually in the reader skimming through it not engaging with it. I intended to provide a separate conversation to this point, yet, unfortunately it ended up being consecutive post to my first.
Well, if it's a best practice; I'll watch for the next post so that it doesn't end up being a "dp" (in your terms) How ever, I'm just pointing this out about the rules just now. Just saying, the regulation is talking about -"In the instance a double post occurs, it being irrelevant is a reason to begin considering it a problem." That's my issue with being confronted about this as it's not one of those cases. It's not stated that it's forbidden, it only suggests there should either be 1; a good reason for why it exists, 2;suggests edits to be more preferred or custom here, of which is understandable.
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Hey, if we have customs, I wouldn't want to be the black sheep if I can help it. All I ask is for your respect as
a moderator & that translating; you not insult my reputation. Why would you ask me to read the rules if you hadn't thought I had a mis understanding with them or was incorrect in the first place? Essentially I wasn't.
I was only under the impression because I read the rules you asked me to reacquaint myself with, 7/8/2014. 4pm. Policy wise, I'm not confused about this matter, as the occuring instance of my double post never violated rules
relevant to GTplanet net policies you asked me to read daan.
Before you say it, I'll just remind you that you never said I misunderstood the rules, but by asking me to read them
just suggests you were. Once more, there is a difference from what is perceived and what is.
Also just because I'm new here doesn't mean I'm clueless or ignorant. I know the rules clearly. They never said that
a dp is forbidden, just reason based. Even though not stated, exploiting this rule is also fraud, so I guess just having
reasons for consecutive posts is spamming. (yes I know what that is).
I'm just saying the rules you asked me to acquaint with sure seemed to indicate this posting nature, I priorly demonstrated, as not being forbidden. So, @daan, my prior post to Johnny on this matter is pretty justified, as it
is within reasonable circumstances. I don't have anything to contest to your actions, as you have not done anything unjust, you only merged two topics that never broke the policy essentially. I don't have a problem with customs, but
I have a problem with circumstances overlooking actuality.
Perhaps, I'm not the one who got it wrong. (2x happen), but even then, there are some that aren't violations. It's what I read. (screen shots and all) Hope this clears up this situation, trust is everything daan. Have a nice day.
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Hmm, looks like the reliance to plummet the competition and keep gamers hooked with a ridiculously high car count is not changing.
Not a good sign. Some crucial aspects and issues that haven't been addressed might get lost in the mix again.
Oh well, plenty of variety out there.
Not a good sign. Some crucial aspects and issues that haven't been addressed might get lost in the mix again.
Oh well, plenty of variety out there.
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Your posts are why tl;dr was invented. You seem to have the ability to ramble on without saying anything meaningful.
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Standards are not a deal breaker for me to buy the game.
I consider other aspects much more important, as far as influencing a no buy decision.
Quite frankly, the whole standard thing is not that big a deal, IMO.
Sure it would be nice to have all premiums, and eventually, we probably will.
However, the core of the game, such as structure, balance, and content, is again much more important.
I consider other aspects much more important, as far as influencing a no buy decision.
Quite frankly, the whole standard thing is not that big a deal, IMO.
Sure it would be nice to have all premiums, and eventually, we probably will.
However, the core of the game, such as structure, balance, and content, is again much more important.
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That is much more important, I agree which is why PD should not be focusing on such a ridiculously high car count to begin with.
Would you have 1000+ cars at launch with abnormalities/shortcomings, or would you have 500 or less ALL of them modeled to real-life performance specs including engine sounds?
Would you have 1000+ cars at launch with abnormalities/shortcomings, or would you have 500 or less ALL of them modeled to real-life performance specs including engine sounds?
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