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And more 962s were built and survive, so they are less rare?

They're cheap in real life as well. I found one the other day for 1 million Euros.

True, but I still feel it would have been at least 2,500,000 cr. if it was the long tail Le Mans winner from 1986 or 1987. Because history adds value as well.
 
True, but I still feel it would have been at least 2,500,000 cr. if it was the long tail Le Mans winner from 1986 or 1987. Because history adds value as well.
It does, but they overlooked that with the D-Type as well.

They put the price at 6M, the same as the dollar value that one sold for last year which only ever competed locally in the UK.


But the one in the game was driven by Stirling Moss at Le Mans and whilst the car retired, you'd think that would add value over a club racer.
 
So as I did when I got the Jag, Nissan and Mazda, I took the 962C for some quick laps at Le Mans.

As previously said here, it’s not quick. The XJR-9 I’ve gotten down to a 3:24.5. The R92CP is at 3.26.0, 787B is a 3.26.1 (they seem very well matched, 787B sounds a lot nicer though). Not perfect laps, but representative I feel.

962C I’ve clocked a 3.29.5. It’s just a bit… ponderous? Well, comparatively speaking. The other three are feisty, in particular the Jag which will try to kill you if you as much as blink at the wrong moment. The Porsche is smooth and you can very quickly settle into a comfortable rhythm with it.

I am interested to see how it BOP’s. With everything balanced a little it might be the pick for longer races or events at the tricker circuits as it’s a lot more user-friendly. Took it to the ‘Ring and it was a very nice car to drive there.

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Why does the new body on the S Barker Merc cost more than the car itself?
 
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I haven’t posted anything the past couple of days because I’ve been enjoying driving the 1929 Mercedes-S so much the past couple of days that I bought another one! I’m just hoping we get some more depression era high end sports cars. Auburns, Duesenbergs, Bentleys, Packards, Bugattis! I can go on and on.

I’ve been also busy creating some bright colored period correct liveries to capture the optimistic opulence of the late 20s and early 30s.
I’ve got some more livery ideas...
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So as I did when I got the Jag, Nissan and Mazda, I took the 962C for some quick laps at Le Mans.

As previously said here, it’s not quick. The XJR-9 I’ve gotten down to a 3:24.5. The R92CP is at 3.26.0, 787B is a 3.26.1 (they seem very well matched, 787B sounds a lot nicer though). Not perfect laps, but representative I feel.

962C I’ve clocked a 3.29.5. It’s just a bit… ponderous? Well, comparatively speaking. The other three are feisty, in particular the Jag which will try to kill you if you as much as blink at the wrong moment. The Porsche is smooth and you can very quickly settle into a comfortable rhythm with it.

I am interested to see how it BOP’s. With everything balanced a little it might be the pick for longer races or events at the tricker circuits as it’s a lot more user-friendly. Took it to the ‘Ring and it was a very nice car to drive there.

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It's crazy how different driving styles affect car handling for different people. Aside from the 962 I think the Jag is the best handling, and slightly easier than the Sauber. The 787B is the car that tries to kill me, though it did become MUCH better with the last patch that fixed RWD bug. Don't remember what my lap times were but when I can wrangle it the 787B is almost 2sec faster than the others for me at Sarthe. Sauber/Jag/R92 all seem to fall within 0.5sec of each other for me (meaning I need more practice; too much time spent grinding and not enough hot-lapping cars I enjoy) and the 962 falling a couple seconds behind that.

TLDR: I'd say they've done a pretty good job at making most of the Group C's quite competitive with each other. 962 probably has some more in it that can be wrung out by the Praiano's, et al of the tuning world.

@Volksauto Is the Barker really that good? I'm sitting on almost 80mil and still haven't bought it assuming it would be completely worthless unless they add a bespoke race for the 20's/30's vehicles. Can it compete with other road cars in the 400-550PP class?
 
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I haven’t posted anything the past couple of days because I’ve been enjoying driving the 1929 Mercedes-S so much the past couple of days that I bought another one! I’m just hoping we get some more depression era high end sports cars. Auburns, Duesenbergs, Bentleys, Packards, Bugattis! I can go on and on.

I’ve been also busy creating some bright colored period correct liveries to capture the optimistic opulence of the late 20s and early 30s.
I’ve got some more livery ideas...
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I was very hesitant to spend 13mill on it when I still had so many cars remaining that I wanted. But the music rally convinced me. And oh am I happy with that purchase. This might be the most fun I've had in GT ever driving this thing. Maybe the lunar rover was better. But the rover got old fast, this one the other hand is amazing no matter where you go. It's crazy how competitive this car is even against modern cars. I'm having so much fun with it. I really can't recommend it enough. If you have the money for it, get it, you won't regret it, it's amazing.
 
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@Pizzicato1985 I bought one to max out and bought a second one to stay stock only with bolt-on modifications.
Just with bolt-ons and a racing crank shaft the car makes 293HP @ 3500RPM with 459 ft-lb of torque. With full weight reduction (2183lbs) and RS tires it is rated 616PP.
Fully maxed the car makes 345HP @ 3800RPM with 498 ft-lb of torque. With full weight reduction and RS tires it is rated at 642PP and 593PP with SS tires.
The immense torque makes this accelerate relatively quickly. Fully tuned, it does 0-60 in 4.4 seconds and 0-100 in 8.5 seconds. But once you get to higher speeds, the game’s aerodynamic model really begins to show. I was able to get the car up to 145mph on flat ground. This is the car’s biggest weakness is just plain top speed. Down a hill I could get 150ish. Just with bolt-ons it cruises at around 135mph. So tracks with long straights like La Sarthe, Tokyo East and Nurburgring are not the best for this car.
Despite the low top speed, it handles incredibly well for a 1920s car especially on good tires. It handles infinitely better than the Alfa 8C 2900B. I was so disappointed with that car’s handling. That car is literally undrivable. Any more than 5% throttle on any curve will cause snap oversteer. The Barker Mercedes on the otherhand oversteers with it’s bicycle-width tires but is way more controllable, forgiving, and fun! It’s a perfect drift car btw.

I drove it in lobbies and with just bolt-on modifications it can keep up with tuned EK Civics and classic muscle cars just fine until you get to a long straight.

It has great performance for a vintage car. But it still is nearly 100 years old with will struggle sometimes to keep up with modern sports cars.

Note: I don’t have the racing exhaust fitted. It’ll add a couple more HP but it sounds terrible and ruins the experience and authenticity of the car. The stock exhaust has the sweet low rumble and the whine of that supercharger!
 
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So as I did when I got the Jag, Nissan and Mazda, I took the 962C for some quick laps at Le Mans.

As previously said here, it’s not quick. The XJR-9 I’ve gotten down to a 3:24.5. The R92CP is at 3.26.0, 787B is a 3.26.1 (they seem very well matched, 787B sounds a lot nicer though). Not perfect laps, but representative I feel.

962C I’ve clocked a 3.29.5. It’s just a bit… ponderous? Well, comparatively speaking. The other three are feisty, in particular the Jag which will try to kill you if you as much as blink at the wrong moment. The Porsche is smooth and you can very quickly settle into a comfortable rhythm with it.

I am interested to see how it BOP’s. With everything balanced a little it might be the pick for longer races or events at the tricker circuits as it’s a lot more user-friendly. Took it to the ‘Ring and it was a very nice car to drive there.

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where did you get that livery????
 
@Pizzicato1985 I bought one to max out and bought a second one to stay stock only with bolt-on modifications.
Just with bolt-ons and a racing crank shaft the car makes 293HP @ 3500RPM with 459 ft-lb of torque. With full weight reduction (2183lbs) and RS tires it is rated 616PP.
Fully maxed the car makes 345HP @ 3800RPM with 498 ft-lb of torque. With full weight reduction and RS tires it is rated at 642PP and 593PP with SS tires.
The immense torque makes this accelerate relatively quickly. Fully tuned, it does 0-60 in 4.4 seconds and 0-100 in 8.5 seconds. But once you get to higher speeds, the game’s aerodynamic model really begins to show. I was able to get the car up to 145mph on flat ground. This is the car’s biggest weakness is just plain top speed. Down a hill I could get 150ish. Just with bolt-ons it cruises at around 135mph. So tracks with long straights like La Sarthe, Tokyo East and Nurburgring are not the best for this car.
Despite the low top speed, it handles incredibly well for a 1920s car especially on good tires. It handles infinitely better than the Alfa 8C 2900B. I was so disappointed with that car’s handling. That car is literally undrivable. Any more than 5% throttle on any curve will cause snap oversteer. The Barker Mercedes on the otherhand oversteers with it’s bicycle-width tires but is way more controllable, forgiving, and fun! It’s a perfect drift car btw.

I drove it in lobbies and with just bolt-on modifications it can keep up with tuned EK Civics and classic muscle cars just fine until you get to a long straight.

It has great performance for a vintage car. But it still is nearly 100 years old with will struggle sometimes to keep up with modern sports cars.

Note: I don’t have the racing exhaust fitted. It’ll add a couple more HP but it sounds terrible and ruins the experience and authenticity of the car. The stock exhaust has the sweet low rumble and the whine of that supercharger!
I really wish I had the money to do this. Unfortunately I think right now I only have the ability to get one and use only the parts that bolt on. I will definitely get another one and crank it to the max next time. Such an amazing car!
 
@Pizzicato1985 I bought one to max out and bought a second one to stay stock only with bolt-on modifications.
Just with bolt-ons and a racing crank shaft the car makes 293HP @ 3500RPM with 459 ft-lb of torque. With full weight reduction (2183lbs) and RS tires it is rated 616PP.
Fully maxed the car makes 345HP @ 3800RPM with 498 ft-lb of torque. With full weight reduction and RS tires it is rated at 642PP and 593PP with SS tires.
The immense torque makes this accelerate relatively quickly. Fully tuned, it does 0-60 in 4.4 seconds and 0-100 in 8.5 seconds. But once you get to higher speeds, the game’s aerodynamic model really begins to show. I was able to get the car up to 145mph on flat ground. This is the car’s biggest weakness is just plain top speed. Down a hill I could get 150ish. Just with bolt-ons it cruises at around 135mph. So tracks with long straights like La Sarthe, Tokyo East and Nurburgring are not the best for this car.
Despite the low top speed, it handles incredibly well for a 1920s car especially on good tires. It handles infinitely better than the Alfa 8C 2900B. I was so disappointed with that car’s handling. That car is literally undrivable. Any more than 5% throttle on any curve will cause snap oversteer. The Barker Mercedes on the otherhand oversteers with it’s bicycle-width tires but is way more controllable, forgiving, and fun! It’s a perfect drift car btw.

I drove it in lobbies and with just bolt-on modifications it can keep up with tuned EK Civics and classic muscle cars just fine until you get to a long straight.

It has great performance for a vintage car. But it still is nearly 100 years old with will struggle sometimes to keep up with modern sports cars.

Note: I don’t have the racing exhaust fitted. It’ll add a couple more HP but it sounds terrible and ruins the experience and authenticity of the car. The stock exhaust has the sweet low rumble and the whine of that supercharger!
Thanks for the review! The car looks amazing and I assumed top speed would be a weakness but never thought it would handle worth a damn. Think I might reconsider this one before it leaves, especially since it's 9mil cheaper than what everyone was predicting
 
So as I did when I got the Jag, Nissan and Mazda, I took the 962C for some quick laps at Le Mans.

As previously said here, it’s not quick. The XJR-9 I’ve gotten down to a 3:24.5. The R92CP is at 3.26.0, 787B is a 3.26.1 (they seem very well matched, 787B sounds a lot nicer though). Not perfect laps, but representative I feel.

962C I’ve clocked a 3.29.5. It’s just a bit… ponderous? Well, comparatively speaking. The other three are feisty, in particular the Jag which will try to kill you if you as much as blink at the wrong moment. The Porsche is smooth and you can very quickly settle into a comfortable rhythm with it.

I am interested to see how it BOP’s. With everything balanced a little it might be the pick for longer races or events at the tricker circuits as it’s a lot more user-friendly. Took it to the ‘Ring and it was a very nice car to drive there.

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Awesome! Did you test the other three cars before or after update 1.13?
 
The 1999 Nissan GT-R GT500 and 1970 Plymouth Superbird just entered limited stock, so we should have 2 fresh cars on Tuesday Wednesday night (Tuesday is when they'll sell out). Odds that one of them won't be the 1945 Jeep Willys MB or 1995 McLaren F1 GTR (the two cars not seen yet by either reviewers or live gameplayers) are pretty good.
 
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Looks like they messed up a bit with the 962. In 1988 the 962 was red/yellow. A 962 Rothmans won Le Mans in 1987 with a long tail setup .

This one we can buy is probably a 1982 Porsche 956 as the engine shown (2.6 Liters) corresponds to 1982, so does the weight more or less.

Here is from Wikipedia's page of the 956:

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Looks like they messed up a bit with the 962. In 1988 the 962 was red/yellow. A 962 Rothmans won Le Mans in 1987 with a long tail setup .

This one we can buy is probably a 1982 Porsche 956 as the engine shown (2.6 Liters) corresponds to 1982, so does the weight more or less.

Here is from Wikipedia's page of the 956:

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It's the 1985 car.
 
Looks like they messed up a bit with the 962. In 1988 the 962 was red/yellow. A 962 Rothmans won Le Mans in 1987 with a long tail setup .

This one we can buy is probably a 1982 Porsche 956 as the engine shown (2.6 Liters) corresponds to 1982, so does the weight more or less.

Here is from Wikipedia's page of the 956:

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It's the 1985 car.
Not sure at all. I think the 962 first version was already at 2.8 liters, here in Gt7 it's a 2.6 liters engine, which tells me it's a 956.

I need to check the visual differences between 956 and 962 .
The 962 ran the 956's 2.6 all the way through to the end of the 1985 WSC (including Le Mans), when it was replaced with 2.8/3.0/3.2 versions. It ran a 2.8 (later a 3.2) in IMSA because IMSA didn't allow twin-turbo for GTP cars

The car in GTS/7 is the Bell/Stuck car from the 1985 WSC, which finished third at Le Mans that year.
 
The 962 ran the 956's 2.6 all the way through to the end of the 1985 WSC (including Le Mans), when it was replaced with 2.8/3.0/3.2 versions. It ran a 2.8 (later a 3.2) in IMSA because IMSA didn't allow twin-turbo for GTP cars

The car in GTS/7 is the Bell/Stuck car from the 1985 WSC, which finished third at Le Mans that year.
I think I went to the bottom of Internet to find the truth . The Livery is the one of the 956 in the 1983 season. Since it's number 1, it's the car that Ickx and Mass used during the whole championship. It's not a car from Le Mans since they all had Long Tails.

The SCHMITTHELM sticker on the side can only be seen on the 1983 WSC 956. In 1982 it was not there, and in 1985 it said TELETRON and another sponsor I cannot identify . Also BOSS was not a sponsor neither in 1984 nor 1985.

It looks like it really is a 956 , not a 962. It's the wikipedia's 956, but number 1.

I see your intel is from the GT fandom/wiki site, but it seems wrong
 
I think I went to the bottom of Internet to find the truth . The Livery is the one of the 956 in the 1983 season. Since it's number 1, it's the car that Ickx and Mass used during the whole championship. It's not a car from Le Mans since they all had Long Tails.

The SCHMITTHELM sticker on the side can only be seen on the 1983 WSC 956. In 1982 it was not there, and in 1985 it said TELETRON and another sponsor I cannot identify . Also BOSS was not a sponsor neither in 1984 nor 1985.

It looks like it really is a 956 , not a 962. It's the wikipedia's 956, but number 1.

I see your intel is from the GT fandom/wiki site, but it seems wrong
You can't use the paint scheme as a reference as it's a fictionalized tobacco-free scheme that never ran in real life.

It's chassis 962-003.
 
I see your intel is from the GT fandom/wiki site
Lol no.

You seem to be basing your conclusion on an engine configuration that you got wrong in the first place (the 962C absolutely ran with the 2.6 through to the end of 1985) and a handful of stickers which routinely move about on old race cars, not only on a race-by-race basis (and sometimes session-by-session) but particularly after-the-fact on preserved vehicles - sometimes they are restored to a specific condition reflecting a particular race. And that'd be exactly what PD scanned for this car.

The only really odd thing is that it's listed as a 1988 car. Other than that, I'm pretty sure it's #003, the Bell/Stuck car.


I mean, I can check with Porsche GB if you'd like?
 
I'm not making any conclusion on the engine, you re right the 962 ran also on 2.6l, but the weight also needs checking.

You just say it's a 962 from 85 but I'm telling you it does not look like one. When in comparison it looks exactly like a 956 from 83.

For the Racing / Rothmans dilemma, this car was in Gt Sport already with Rothmans on it.

It s a game about liveries, I don't understand these reactions to be honest.
 
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