New TT34 & DT34

[sems4arsenal]

Gearbox set 10 laps later 1'54.456 ,alot of room for.improvement don't know if i have the time though

 

[RHODRIEWILLIAMS]

many thanks to KB18FAN the car now has a front end. You guys set the car up so different. I set a top 250 in my 1st tt with the lotus @ kart space but have been in the mid 500'sI was stuck with sooo much front end push that i set my fastest time in the audi r8 was set without a rear wing so thanks a lot

do you generally ad weight to get in the pp not reduce power or is it just for the pug 905??????

 

[numbnuts70]

many thanks to KB18FAN the car now has a front end. You guys set the car up so different. I set a top 250 in my 1st tt with the lotus @ kart space but have been in the mid 500'sI was stuck with sooo much front end push that i set my fastest time in the audi r8 was set without a rear wing so thanks a lot

do you generally ad weight to get in the pp not reduce power or is it just for the pug 905??????

Hi fellow Welshie
Adding ballast can enable you to have more power for the given pp and get the car to handle more to your liking.
Just by following these threads and seeing how the 'experts' set their cars up has helped me massively to get more of an understanding of tuning cars on GT5 and has brought my times down too.
Some tunes will suit more than others but as you experiment you'll get a feel for each individual car/track combo.

good luck 👍

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

For those still having trouble setting up the trans, I have posted it like 3 or 4 times already in this thread. I'll post it one more time so pay attention class, lol. It goes like this:
Reset
FG all the way right
TS all the way left
Set gear ratios
FG back to where I have it.(or at whatever speed you want. Watch the top speed at the top right while adjusting FG the last to determine what top speed you want) Car redlines at 221mph so don't go any further down than 221. I have been experimenting with between 224mph - 240mph. So far 233mph seems to be good for me. Trans settings is not my strong point at this moment. I'm still learning.
Thanks again for the good feedback on the tune. Good to see you guys having success with it.
And yes, I usually add ballast if it benificial to the tune. Great times guys, now only if I could make an improvement, lol. Still having problems with a certain corner, but I'm getting close. Peace. \/

 

[Stuke Sowle]

Has anyone tried the HKS ct230 for this TT? I know it's not going to get onto the leaderboards but the 4WD might be helpful for us mere mortals.

 

[DrKronin]

Has anyone tried the HKS ct230 for this TT? I know it's not going to get onto the leaderboards but the 4WD might be helpful for us mere mortals.

You're talking about the Spa TT, right? What's the problem that you're having with other cars, getting gold? The reason I ask is that I feel like the HKS would be enough slower than the 905 or other LMS cars that 4WD wouldn't be enough to make up for it unless you're having trouble just keeping the other cars on track. That said, if I were having trouble just golding a TT, I would probably check to see if any of my various GT-Rs could do it, since they seem to easily punch well above their weight class, if you know what I mean.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I got another try at Nurb TT with Honda Raybrig NSX'00 stock, no power changes, just some transmission, LSD and suspension tune, also max downforce front and back - top speed is only 290km/h. Got a lap time of 6:45.xxx, no TC, ASM, AS, no braking assists, much like the real JGTC cars. Got some slow sections, a better run would see around 6:3x.xxx.Can't say I'm fast as I am using only DS3, and elitists name calling, meh ... it's my own choice of play, not to be helped by the game to drive a car. ABS and TC in GT5 are not like in real life, I have driven enough cars to know they don't work the same way as in real life, in GT5 they are just assists by the game to help players control the car, nothing more, nothing less.

You all can call me elitists, don't care much, if my own choice to not use any assists in GT5 turns me into an elitists, what does that make players who uses assists in GT5 just to be able to get better lap times in TT ....I'm just pointing it out, this is kind of immature. If someone offended or feel bad for using assists, then don't, what's the meaning of few seconds in lap time of a game ? if you don't mind with the assists, then keep using them, you should use them if you feel the need to do so and enjoy the game more that way.

The main point is this, as long as lap times are made with assists, we will never see the true lap time of the driver. ABS should be called braking assists, as it's adjustable in the game and it does not work like an actual ABS at all. In real life, ABS in cars have different effectiveness, older cars that do not have stability management, have less effective ABS, newer cars have multiple sensors, more channels, have an electronic brake force distribution and works in unison with traction control and stability management. All these are not simulated in GT5, all cars get the same treatment, and the ABS settings number are just a measure of how strong the brake assists work and to what extent the car can brake hard while turning, which is hard to do on old cars - even ones with ABS. So the reasoning of using ABS braking assists in GT5 because some cars have it in real life is not entirely correct. ABS is used because the player needs help to brake the car better without locking the wheels, pure and simple.

Some friend of mine also said that ABS in GT5 also somewhat affected the stability of the car, made it easier to control and have greater balance during braking hard, especially noticeable when turning to enter a corner. Want to prove it, try to brake hard while entering a corner without ABS in GT5, the car balance will be unsettled in some way when the tires reach it's traction limit. In real life, my car, R32 GTR also have an ABS, the way the car behave on corner entry under heavy brake is so much different than in GT5. Even with ABS, my car will still be able to lose balance, and sometimes the ABS do not work as well, due to road conditions and tire wear. Sometimes I drove my car without ABS, as I put it in RWD, great times, and it's more involving that way

 

[tezster]

Who has the fastest time using KB18FAN's tune? I'd like to use that as a ghost so I can better determine where I'm losing time.

 

[Obsidian-2]

I got another try at Nurb TT with Honda Raybrig NSX'00 stock, no power changes, just some transmission, LSD and suspension tune, also max downforce front and back - top speed is only 290km/h. Got a lap time of 6:45.xxx, no TC, ASM, AS, no braking assists, much like the real JGTC cars. Got some slow sections, a better run would see around 6:3x.xxx.Can't say I'm fast as I am using only DS3, and elitists name calling, meh ... it's my own choice of play, not to be helped by the game to drive a car. ABS and TC in GT5 are not like in real life, I have driven enough cars to know they don't work the same way as in real life, in GT5 they are just assists by the game to help players control the car, nothing more, nothing less.

You all can call me elitists, don't care much, if my own choice to not use any assists in GT5 turns me into an elitists, what does that make players who uses assists in GT5 just to be able to get better lap times in TT ....I'm just pointing it out, this is kind of immature. If someone offended or feel bad for using assists, then don't, what's the meaning of few seconds in lap time of a game ? if you don't mind with the assists, then keep using them, you should use them if you feel the need to do so and enjoy the game more that way.

The main point is this, as long as lap times are made with assists, we will never see the true lap time of the driver. ABS should be called braking assists, as it's adjustable in the game and it does not work like an actual ABS at all. In real life, ABS in cars have different effectiveness, older cars that do not have stability management, have less effective ABS, newer cars have multiple sensors, more channels, have an electronic brake force distribution and works in unison with traction control and stability management. All these are not simulated in GT5, all cars get the same treatment, and the ABS settings number are just a measure of how strong the brake assists work and to what extent the car can brake hard while turning, which is hard to do on old cars - even ones with ABS. So the reasoning of using ABS braking assists in GT5 because some cars have it in real life is not entirely correct. ABS is used because the player needs help to brake the car better without locking the wheels, pure and simple.

Some friend of mine also said that ABS in GT5 also somewhat affected the stability of the car, made it easier to control and have greater balance during braking hard, especially noticeable when turning to enter a corner. Want to prove it, try to brake hard while entering a corner without ABS in GT5, the car balance will be unsettled in some way when the tires reach it's traction limit. In real life, my car, R32 GTR also have an ABS, the way the car behave on corner entry under heavy brake is so much different than in GT5. Even with ABS, my car will still be able to lose balance, and sometimes the ABS do not work as well, due to road conditions and tire wear. Sometimes I drove my car without ABS, as I put it in RWD, great times, and it's more involving that way

Drive the cars however you want to drive them. ABS is neither adding to nor subtracting from a realistic driving experience though. 1) It does not work anything like a real ABS system and 2) There is no brake feel in GT5 like there is in a real car.

 

[Stuke Sowle]

You're talking about the Spa TT, right? What's the problem that you're having with other cars, getting gold? The reason I ask is that I feel like the HKS would be enough slower than the 905 or other LMS cars that 4WD wouldn't be enough to make up for it unless you're having trouble just keeping the other cars on track. That said, if I were having trouble just golding a TT, I would probably check to see if any of my various GT-Rs could do it, since they seem to easily punch well above their weight class, if you know what I mean.

Actually I was referring to the Nurburgring. I can get Gold easy with the FTO Touring Car but anytime I take out one of higher end RWD cars, I spin out here and there which on the Ring gives you a lot of RED lap times! The HKS has more power so I might improve on my 7:15 (remember mere mortal) lap time.

Haven't played around much on the Spa. I just have a bronze there.

 

[DrKronin]

Actually I was referring to the Nurburgring. I can get Gold easy with the FTO Touring Car but anytime I take out one of higher end RWD cars, I spin out here and there which on the Ring gives you a lot of RED lap times! The HKS has more power so I might improve on my 7:15 (remember mere mortal) lap time.

Haven't played around much on the Spa. I just have a bronze there.

Aah, I see. I haven't drive the HKS very much, but I would guess it's capable of 7:0X in the hands of a mere mortal (with a bit of practice). Like I said before, I usually end up in a GT-R in these situations, but given how ubiquitous GT-Rs are in GT5, no one would blame you for trying to avoid them If you have the first DLC, the Impreza TC can be a lot of fun too.

I'm curious what you do manage if you get a chance to try the HKS. I'd do it myself, but I probably won't have the time before the TT is over.

 

[daft biker]

The HKS has more power so I might improve on my 7:15 (remember mere mortal) lap time.

Good luck with that. I'm determined to get a Ferrari P4 round that one in under 7.....I'ze a mere mortal too

Tried KB18FAN's 905 tune on Spa too.....thanks chief:tup: I had a gold on it but only by about 3 seconds then with the tune I was running mid 2:01's (I still need to learn my way round Spa!) but after I knocked the front brake up a couple of nothes and moved the ballast as far forward as it would let me within the PP limit I got another 2 seconds off that. Spa is growing on me now

 

[failing_finn]

Anybody willing to loan the car for me?

edit,

for the Nordschleife I mean.

Anything yet, Kimi?

 

[Stuke Sowle]

Aah, I see. I haven't drive the HKS very much, but I would guess it's capable of 7:0X in the hands of a mere mortal (with a bit of practice). Like I said before, I usually end up in a GT-R in these situations, but given how ubiquitous GT-Rs are in GT5, no one would blame you for trying to avoid them If you have the first DLC, the Impreza TC can be a lot of fun too.

I'm curious what you do manage if you get a chance to try the HKS. I'd do it myself, but I probably won't have the time before the TT is over.

It won't let you use it. Apparently, it's not a racing car.

 

[DrKronin]

It won't let you use it. Apparently, it's not a racing car.

Awww, lame. That's like making a rule against taking a fork to a gun fight. Besides, I kinda see it as a racing car, personally.

 

[Stuke Sowle]

Awww, lame. That's like making a rule against taking a fork to a gun fight. Besides, I kinda see it as a racing car, personally.

Completely agree. I have enjoyed taking the lower class race cars around to see what I can do with them. I did get Gold with the Mugen Mogul Civic '87. I love that little thing!

I have one of the Viper RC's. Tuned some massive understeer into it so that I won't lose control and drove a lap like Morgan Freeman in Driving Miss Daisy. Got a 7:10 which I could easily shave ten seconds off.

Bottom line, I know I'll never get close to the leaderboards but it's fun sharing stories and I love this track!

 

[Timppaq]

Anything yet, Kimi?

sadly no. Apart from the initial test haven't had a chance to try. Tbh, I'm sad it's this tuning show once again. I just don't have the time or interest to go through that all. Makes me sad not to have a proper stock TT's.

Great effort you all so far, just keep pushing more! At this kind of track every completed lap is an achievement in itself! .

 

[sems4arsenal]

Who has the fastest time using KB18FAN's tune? I'd like to use that as a ghost so I can better determine where I'm losing time.

I think it's kb himself,i set a 54.4 if you want mine

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I think it's kb himself,i set a 54.4 if you want mine

Its not me, not yet anyways, lol. I've got two guys on my friends list that are faster than me so far. Lammy is one, and I can't remember the other guy, just added him yesturday. They both have posted here tho. I'm getting ready to give it another serious go. Hopefully I can take back the top spot on my friends list. Got the Metallica loaded up in the cd player and I'm ready to roll boys, lol. See ya in awhile. Peace. \/

 

[roamer2629]

I'm going to echo KB18FAN's remarks - whether you're a good driver, bad driver, great driver or crap driver, the car setup can and does play a large role in getting a faster lap.

In the final analysis, it's a combination between a skilled driver and a well-tuned car. I think this should be pretty self-evident to just about everyone.

A great setup provided by a friend allowed me to shave off 10 seconds with the 2J at the nurg.
It won't make you a better driver, and some setups don't get along with some driving styles, but they are important.

 

[RETROCRX]

Its not me, not yet anyways, lol. I've got two guys on my friends list that are faster than me so far. Lammy is one, and I can't remember the other guy, just added him yesturday. They both have posted here tho. I'm getting ready to give it another serious go. Hopefully I can take back the top spot on my friends list. Got the Metallica loaded up in the cd player and I'm ready to roll boys, lol. See ya in awhile. Peace. \/

That would be me.....1:54.173.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Managed a 1'54.227 in a 20 min stint, terrible first and 3rd sectors though

 

[ugabugaz]

Finally stringed today a pretty good time of 6:09.362 (For me, at least) though I lost a good chunk of time (Around .4) between Kallenhard-Wehrseifen, as compared to my old time.

Surprisingly I was messing around with the ABS and set my laptime with ABS=4...Car felt a bit easier to chuck into corners so, try it folks, might help you too. Used V4 of my setup.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

That would be me.....1:54.173.

Yes, that would be you smatass, lol. I'll catch ya....maybe, lol. Anyways, taking a short break as I gotta sent a friend a ticket, but back at it in a bit. No improvement yet, but getting close. Peace. \/

 

[RETROCRX]

Yes, that would be you smatass, lol. I'll catch ya....maybe, lol. Anyways, taking a short break as I gotta sent a friend a ticket, but back at it in a bit. No improvement yet, but getting close. Peace. \/

Don't feel bad......I once shared a friends real car in an auto-x and beat him by over a second on a 45 second run......needless to say he's never let me share his car again since! But I hope you will.....your setup was spot on.......

That said, there is still another half second at least in it if I could just put together a good lap. I expect you should be able to get very close to me if not surpass me with a bit of time. I'm stuck at a bit of a plateau and need to find some sort of revelation in line or throttle or braking that will find me some more time.

Cheers

Rob

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Don't feel bad......I once shared a friends real car in an auto-x and beat him by over a second on a 45 second run......needless to say he's never let me share his car again since! But I hope you will.....your setup was spot on.......

That said, there is still another half second at least in it if I could just put together a good lap. I expect you should be able to get very close to me if not surpass me with a bit of time. I'm stuck at a bit of a plateau and need to find some sort of revelation in line or throttle or braking that will find me some more time.

Cheers

Rob

No, I'm not going to be like that. If you beat me, you beat me, no biggie. I'm not going to take my toys and go home, lol. I'm just having fun competing, thats all. For me, thats why I do these TT's, to get the best time I can obviously, but also to make a friendly competition out of it amoungst friends. Thats what makes it enjoyable for me. Peace. \/

 

[Polsixe]

Wow, the Spa was toughest TT since the 500pp a couple months ago. Finally a 2:07 Gold in the Toyota TS020, kudos to all 33,151 ahead of me. Yellow hat GT-R very easy N'ring 600 pp, a one lap cruise. I have a 2J but enough already with that car, it is a +700 pp car sandbagging as a 640.

If not already posted the time standards for the 700 pp Spa TT are:

Gold. 2:10
Silver. 2:13.9
Bronze 2:20.4

Best 1:51.592

In case someone wants to repeat the TT once it expires.

 

[nebularis23]

Great 905 tune KB18FAN! I had some understeering troubles with your updated version, so I went back to your original post and eventually managed a 1:53.858. Happy with that. Tuning seems to be an art form in its' own right... one that I currently don't have! But YOU do!

Anyway, just wanted to say thanks and great job.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Great 905 tune KB18FAN! I had some understeering troubles with your updated version, so I went back to your original post and eventually managed a 1:53.858. Happy with that. Tuning seems to be an art form in its' own right... one that I currently don't have! But YOU do!

Anyway, just wanted to say thanks and great job.

Thanks for the kind words and happy the tune helped you out. Congrats on the lap time.
Yea, I didn't really get into tuning until about 8 months ago or so. I really dove into it deep and studied the effects tuning has in this game. I'm not the best, but I do the best I can with each and every car I tune. And, I couldn't have learned to tune without the help of some really great people here on GTPlanet. To name a few: MOTORCITYHAMI, SCAFF (his guide) PRAIANO, ADRENALINE, HIGHLANDOR, and CRAZYBASSIST to name a few. They are the ones that deserve the real credit as they are the ones that have helped me understand the whole tuning thing. Thanx again guys. Peace.

 

[Lustika]

Got down to 1:54,560 and have some more to shave off. Possible under 1:54 I think and if I can find more time to play. Did it with Kb's original tune with a change on to angle to -20 , -15 and brake balance set to 5 , 7.

Its hard to controll the understeering and the rear who wants to come in the middle of the understeering.
I forgot to test the new gearsettings and perhaps its easier with it. Hope I can try it with the tune above.

@ KB : looking forward to the next TT and your tunes. They are great and fits my driving perfect. I hope the new physwoman did miracles to your body. Take care