Presidential Election: 2012
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Nice find, I actually hadn't seen that but It is just slightly out of context. Here is him actually making the complete statement. Some other videos of it stop quoting just a little early. Paul seems to be of the Punctuated Equilibrium school of thought on this, where God creates and man evolves. I used to believe this way before I realized there clearly was no god. lol Kind of a sad mix between fact and belief i know, but it is a step forward for many.
Here is what happened when everyone at the debate was asked.
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I don't know anything about American politics. Obama seems safe...
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Nonetheless, no matter what you believe in regards to how we came to be who we are today, it's a useless question and won't effect Paul's political agenda.
Your first sentence backs up your second.
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Yeah, I don't think it has any bearing at all really. If he said that the creation story was factually true and absolute, then I would be concerned. I think the P.E. school of thought is a sign of underlying doubt in the biblical account, and as such shows me that he questions more than just politics. 👍
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If a guy in a coma wasn't responsible enough to take care of his risks, are the rest of us supposed to be forced to help him? What if he was driving drunk and his coma was the result of an accident that killed a schoolbus full of children?
LBJ's great society project killed small american charities that would be the answer to these issues. If we can have the right environment for economic growth and savings, these organizations will naturally spawn up again.
LBJ's great society project killed small american charities that would be the answer to these issues. If we can have the right environment for economic growth and savings, these organizations will naturally spawn up again.
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Ron Paul won the GOP California straw poll! Yet the media doesn't seem too concerned just like when he came a close second in Iowa.
Oh and for Dapper I've liked a number of your comments, but the Ron Paul vid I'm not sure where you're going with. From the way I understood it is this...Wolf told Paul the man has a good job but doesn't want to pay 200 or 300 a month for healthcare; Paul is simply saying that the man shouldn't hold tax payers accountable for his lack of buying a preventative measures for a situation that is likely for anyone. Now I'm curious to know what his answer would be if the person was poor working class or low working class American that didn't work for a place that provided said health, and the fee to get health would be too costly to support his/her family let alone herself. However, I guess I'll have to figure a way to send that to CNN for the next debate. Paul isn't perfect and there will never be a person that is for President, but he tells it like it is and that is alot better than rainbows and sugar coated lies.
Oh and for Dapper I've liked a number of your comments, but the Ron Paul vid I'm not sure where you're going with. From the way I understood it is this...Wolf told Paul the man has a good job but doesn't want to pay 200 or 300 a month for healthcare; Paul is simply saying that the man shouldn't hold tax payers accountable for his lack of buying a preventative measures for a situation that is likely for anyone. Now I'm curious to know what his answer would be if the person was poor working class or low working class American that didn't work for a place that provided said health, and the fee to get health would be too costly to support his/her family let alone herself. However, I guess I'll have to figure a way to send that to CNN for the next debate. Paul isn't perfect and there will never be a person that is for President, but he tells it like it is and that is alot better than rainbows and sugar coated lies.
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Now we'll play the entire segment since you won't bother avoiding out-of-context soundbites.
What Dr. Paul said is that the man should have taken responsibility for his own healthcare when he had the opportunity before he had his accident. But since he didn't, he still wouldn't be confined to his deathbed by his irresponsible decisions. Private charity, local churches, fund raisers, etc, should be allowed to help people in need. That's why they exist, to help.
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I know a pastor that drives a Bentley, and I saw his son's totaled Viper on the back of a flatbed(true story).
All of the private sector's money goes to a minute percentage of people who are sitting on their cash. And I posted proof of how great our economy is, and how much it is growing.
So, we are left with letting the guy in a coma to "do whatever he wants." Unless the guy in a coma can do a fund raiser or pry money from a capitalist cold hands, he is going to rely on the government... or what Dr.Paul seemingly prefers, let his irresponsible 🤬 die!
Dr.Paul, pro poor/old/irresponsible genocide. 👍
All of the private sector's money goes to a minute percentage of people who are sitting on their cash. And I posted proof of how great our economy is, and how much it is growing.
So, we are left with letting the guy in a coma to "do whatever he wants." Unless the guy in a coma can do a fund raiser or pry money from a capitalist cold hands, he is going to rely on the government... or what Dr.Paul seemingly prefers, let his irresponsible 🤬 die!
Dr.Paul, pro poor/old/irresponsible genocide. 👍
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Yeah, well join the catholic church. Our church raises tons of money and resources to help feed and clothe the poor and unemployed, to help with local hurricane disaster relief, and in response to pleas made by churchmembers.
The people are much greater in number and in wealth than the federal government. And they don't have to steal from someone else in order to be charitable with their money.
Your evidence of a growing economy is not proof at all. Government spending is included as a part of GDP. The more Uncle Sam spends on domestic programs, the fewer resources there are that can be made available to charities.
The people are much greater in number and in wealth than the federal government. And they don't have to steal from someone else in order to be charitable with their money.
Your evidence of a growing economy is not proof at all. Government spending is included as a part of GDP. The more Uncle Sam spends on domestic programs, the fewer resources there are that can be made available to charities.
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Where the hell are you from Dapper, Chicago's south side?
I've never heard of a church in my area robbing the congregation. A person who is in charge of a large church organization deserves to be wealthy for running the whole operation, but despite some notable local churches being very wealthy - Touchdown Jesus for example - they are at the same time the most charitable churches in the area because they can afford it.
At church, people donate to help others because they want to. With government, people are forced to surrender their earnings with threats of violence and jail time.
There are countless wealthy people across the country who donate large portions of their wealth to charities because they want to. Bill Gates is probably the most well known example.
I've never heard of a church in my area robbing the congregation. A person who is in charge of a large church organization deserves to be wealthy for running the whole operation, but despite some notable local churches being very wealthy - Touchdown Jesus for example - they are at the same time the most charitable churches in the area because they can afford it.
At church, people donate to help others because they want to. With government, people are forced to surrender their earnings with threats of violence and jail time.
There are countless wealthy people across the country who donate large portions of their wealth to charities because they want to. Bill Gates is probably the most well known example.
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Just defending Bill Gates here, but I don't think that he cares about the tax rebate with the amount of money he has, he just does it for the good of the people he is helping.
But in general sadly that is the case with alot of high profile people, that and it makes them look good.
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Bill Gates can and has told the gov't to 🤬 off in the past, to the point of paying fines to avoid surrendering to gov't demands, so I doubt a tax break means squat to him. He donates untold amounts of money to humanitarian interests and is a man, I believe, that is genuinely concerned with the bettering of humanity as a whole. I have nothing bad to say about the guy at all. People like him prove that our belief in gov't programs over private charities is unfounded and unnecessary. Kudos to the big nerd!👍👍 We need more of his kind. He even set it up so that when he dies, the majority of his fortune will be used to make the world better instead of just going on to his heirs.
yes and no on obama really. In a word he's been crap, but the current crop of would be challengers seem to be either stupid or unelectable. Based on whats been said thus far it truly is a sad case of affairs when someone like obama remains the best candidate.
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If he has friends they'll set up fund raisers all around to provide money for him. I've seen many local car washes for cancer patients that can't pay the premium or don't have the health insurance. I've seen fundraisers for those who pass away, so the funeral can be covered. You're generalizing and looking at it one sided, I've already proposed a situation that would make this view point of Paul seem moot. Did you not read that? If the guy in question had a good living and money in the bank to pay for health insurance he should have done it. Any rational person thinks ahead for the unforseen events that may or may not happen. A bit of a paranoid attitude seems to go a long way.
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Is that a problem worth noting? I don't think it's a problem. If anything, the opportunity for a tax write-off incentivises charitable donations even further.
Now you all are going to argue that since tax write-offs incentivise charitable donations that if tax incentives were outlawed there would be a big drop in donations. Not so, if our entire tax code was changed and businesses' and wealthy persons' income taxes were reduced to a sane level. With less taxation up front, these people would already have more money to donate in the first place instead of depending on a ridiculously convoluted system of paying taxes up front and then donating to get that money back a year later, like it was a rebate policy. And I know you all hate rebates - why the hell don't they just lower the price outright, you ask. Yeah, well, why don't we just lower taxes outright?
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No it's not a problem, but sometimes people look at large donations by wealthy individuals with rose tinted glasses, when a lot of times they are doing just so uncle sam won't demand his larger share back.
But if some NGO or charitable organization is benefiting from such donations, then let the tax deductions run free.
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What about atheist? Or people with young boys?
Rely on a capitalist?
What if he doesn't?
From a Republican pov, shouldn't keeping the workers that create capital healthy be a big priority so capital keeps being gained? The government provides roads so things get done, and lawyers so innocent people stay out of jail, how is being healthy any different?
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The healthier this man is, the more likely he is to get hired by an employer into a contract for mutual benefit. So yes, rely on a capitalist. He will pay to make you healthy, and then you both can make money together.Rely on a capitalist?
Sort of like how employers often pay for employees to get a specific education which will benefit them both. Like how airlines will pay for new hires to get rated in whatever airplane they're assigned to fly, which typically costs over $40,000 a pop. Basically paying the new hire 180% of his salary just so he can begin working.
Well then I guess he's just **** outta luck, ain't he? If he's so awful a person that not a single person out there cares for his well being, then I just don't know what to tell you except that you're trolling because you know you're wrong.
I think you have this question backwards. The question you should be asking: Being in control of your health is part of personal responsibility, so why are lawyers any different? And who says roads should be built and maintained by the government? They sure as hell aren't doing a very good job.
Maybe if private lawyers didn't have to compete with government lawyers there would be more of them and competition would bring prices down. The cost of public trials has been infuriating to the public for quite some time.
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I don't know what to tell you bro. You argue in any way you can for involuntary public welfare. Fact is, involuntary public welfare is morally wrong, any way you slice it. God-given rights violations abound. And it can't be made morally correct.
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