Relaxed, General Forza 6 Chat

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Anyone else notice that the Limo, Escalade, Hummer, etc can no longer be used in hoppers? Shame too, because I had an awesome D-Class Limo.
 
ZDUPH
Anyone else notice that the Limo, Escalade, Hummer, etc can no longer be used in hoppers? Shame too, because I had an awesome D-Class Limo.
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That's a shame, I also had a great D class Limo which was raced cleanly. I can see why they've done it but it's not going to stop the crashing, people will purposely wait and crash even if we are all limited to one car, but it does mean that the cars they're using don't take up as much space so now they have to be more accurate.
 
May have just rage-quit Forza 6 after discovering that I can't use my Vandura anymore in D-Class! What gives, Turn 10? However, I logged back onto XBOX and was greeted with an 83MB update for Forza 6. I wonder what it is.
Still though, RIP D-Class Vandura... :(
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Hmmm, 83mb update, I wonder what it is...
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Most likely it's just a fix for that weird Japanese text on the intro screen. If I recall correctly, only the PAL and NTSC-J versions were affected. I never saw the screen before, and I'm on the NTSC version.

prousonhairy
I was reading that earlier, where do these people come up with some of this stuff? There was another forum started earlier today over there with people complaining again about the wheel spins being too generous. :banghead:
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The one that got me was a quote along the lines of "They should ban vehicles like the Vandura and Limo from all online hoppers. I see why Project Cars is highly acclaimed now".
Like, is that guy for real??? I really hope Turn 10 reverts this silly decision. Reminds me when Rockstar created the 'blacklist' for GTA Online that took away so many cool vehicles.

EDIT: Here's what the infamous tuner Raceboy77 had to say regarding the matter...
Alright, I understand the banning of cars which are absolutely useless and undrivable in any racing situation such as the Gurkha and Hummer but banning stuff like the Transit Van, Vandura, Limo, along with others that are actually feasible and can be fast? This won't help the wrecking problem, it makes no difference other than a different car choice. For real, there's so many different options to fix wrecking but nothing that will actually help is being done and if history continues to repeat itself, that's going to continue.

Now, I don't get to race some of my favourite fun cars in public lobbies when I want because apparently, this is going to help the wrecking problem. Sigh :(.
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I don't mind. If it diverts even 20% of wreckers away, that's fine by me.
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But as was said in the posts on the Forza forums, they aren't going to see their weapon of choice isn't available and decide to race clean, they'll just choose another vehicle to ruin peoples fun with.

Just a couple of days ago in an S class lobby we had 2 Bowlers, some Defenders and a Limo racing clean, while getting crashed in to by Ferrari F50s, Monos, Aventadors etc. The main problem there was that their cars were faster so they could crash in to us and catch up again for some more crashes whereas if they were in the same cars as us we'd likely leave them behind and have a fun race.
 
The Veyron is a wreckers weapon of choice too. Because it can run down almost anything on the straightaways. I don't think it should be banned, I'm against banning any car really. I don't know how they would do it? You can implement time penalties, but if it's like gt6, then you get rammed into on purpose and you get stuck with a time delay. I think lap cars should definitely be ghosted. That's when I've seen alot of the wreckers I've came across. They wait to pull out in front of the pack or try to position themselves in tricky turns and sit there and wait.
 
Any automated penalty system will have the ability to be exploited. That's just how it's going to be.

Banning cars is a bandaid solution. I'll admit, almost every time I saw the Shelby F150 online, it ended up ramming, but as others have mentioned, those folks are just going to find new cars.

I find the more problematic folks aren't the out-and-out wreckers, but the win-at-all-costs toolbags that have no problems running others off the road or using them as a shoulder in turns. They're usually quite fast anyway, so it makes their dirty tactics all the more frustrating.
 
I'm literally saddened whenever I look at my D400 Vandura and realize that it got banned from online hoppers. Many decent clean times were set with it, and many clean races were had with it.
Turn 10 was misinformed, and the ones who suffer are the ones who really enjoyed these silly vehicles. Why even add them to the game if you can't race them online?
 
Is it possible to program known bad drivers as ghosts when they enter rooms? I'm sure the game could be programmed to distinguish hard racing and deliberate ramming other players.
 
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Is it possible to program known bad drivers as ghosts when they enter rooms? I'm sure the game could be programmed to distinguish hard racing and deliberate ramming other players.
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As long as it isn't based on microsofts reputation system. That thing is big time broken. Anyone can false report you and it brings your rating down. I didn't know much about this until I read some articles on it yesterday. It sounds like it's a mess for some people trying to play online multiplayer games, and their reputation is bad just because they are good at certain shooters or other games and people false report them. I still don't quite understand it all.
 
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Is it wrong that I feel slightly ripped off regarding the recent ban of silly vehicles? I say this because of the Cadillac Limo and Terradyna Gurkha, both of which were paid DLC cars. While I myself have never bothered racing a Gurkha online, the Limo is a completely different scenario. Yes it's a huge car, but there's nothing wrong with that, especially when it can be a force to be reckoned with in the right hands.

The only remedy I can see for this situation is to either give us the ability to use these cars again, or have dedicated D, C, B, A, and S class lobbies for silly cars. It angers me that Turn 10 has gone and done this. Yes, they listen to their fans, but in this case, they listened to the wrong fans. I will even go as far as to post video proof to Turn 10 that the large vehicles were not hindering the lobbies in any way.

The amount of times I've been taken out by a large vehicle like the Transit or the Ram Runner is far less than being taken out by, say, a Civic Ek, or a Renault 5 Turbo, or any muscle car. Why they've decided to become a "anti-fun" company suddenly is beyond me, but this, combined with the problem of not being able to choose cars for the drivatars, as well as the exclusion of multi-class hoppers, is really beginning to irritate me.
 
Sorry for the double post, but finally, we get an official reason from Turn 10 member Mechberg as to why certain vehicles were taken out...

Hey Folks,

We did indeed make the decision to remove a certain number of larger vehicles from MP -- mainly to remove some of the larger "weapons" that certain players, intent on ruining MP races, have been using. While we believe this is going to make a better racing experience for the majority of players online, I recognize that not everyone is happy with this decision. To that end, we are looking into creating a MP hopper in the future where these vehicles will be allowed to participate.

Thanks,
Brian
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ZDUPH
Sorry for the double post, but finally, we get an official reason from Turn 10 member Mechberg as to why certain vehicles were taken out...
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That's a good idea. That was a quick response. I haven't really driven any of the banned cars online, I haven't driven them a lot offline either. I'm sure they can be fast and driven properly in the right hands. Something like the limo though, something that long in the hands of someone who isn't the best driver in the first place, yeah I can see why they removed that. Even a person who isn't intentionally wrecking, but just doesn't have the best driving skills, that would be annoying. Especially in tight turns etc, it seems it would be blocking a lot of the turn, and I could see how that could upset people. I don't like to see them banning cars, I guess that could be a slippery slope, but there's still 475 or so other cars to pick from. :cheers:
 
While, at least we can still use them. Although, half the fun of using them in public lobbies was the satisfaction of beating others in typically used, faster vehicles. I had a a tuned version of an X5 in forza 5 that I enjoyed using on tracks like road america, but now that is likely going to be done with.
 
prousonhairy
That's a good idea. That was a quick response. I haven't really driven any of the banned cars online, I haven't driven them a lot offline either. I'm sure they can be fast and driven properly in the right hands. Something like the limo though, something that long in the hands of someone who isn't the best driver in the first place, yeah I can see why they removed that. Even a person who isn't intentionally wrecking, but just doesn't have the best driving skills, that would be annoying. Especially in tight turns etc, it seems it would be blocking a lot of the turn, and I could see how that could upset people. I don't like to see them banning cars, I guess that could be a slippery slope, but there's still 475 or so other cars to pick from. :cheers:
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Very true. I'm glad I can use my '65 Cooper S in D-class hoppers again.
 
What the hell, I just tried the R-Class Track Day (Bro) Rivals event with my new G920 with shifter and an Ultima GTR and got 11th on the Europe leaderboards on my first try. I'm not even a good driver and was stuck behind an annoying AI car in a few corners. :lol:
 
Well, I will admit that getting rammed by some jerk in a SUV in the past whenever I played a Forza game online has made me nervous everytime I was racing alongside a bigger vehicle, but I agree that this banning idea is stupid. Not everyone is going to ram someone in one of those cars and rammers basically use a lot of cars. Banning one group of cars isn't going to fix that problem, the rammers will just find other cars to use. If not the Gurka, they'll use something like a BMW f10 M5 or a Bugatti Veyron.
 
I finally got into the leagues for the Ferrari.

Some of the drivers were idiots still but I had a few good races in there tonight with some at the front of the pack. Easily into the top 50% so hopefully I won't have to go back in.
 
OK i'm happy with this, just knowing the rammers in little clans now have there toys taken away is enough for me, i was in a race other day and there was like 8 guys in hummers all gleefully ruining everyone race and laughing like a bunch of 12 year old girls, thats actually unfair on 12 year old girls...
Horrible horrible wastes of skin and can only wonder what cretins they are in 'real life'...
 

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