Should PD have let the modding slide? ... OP Updated.
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- 4,115
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The special menu is what should have been there since day one.
It allows you to choose the cars you want to race against in Arcade mode.
So for example you can decide to race only against MInis without SRF.
Why is that feature hidden? only PD knows, although with the way they are acting lattely there might be light but I do not think there is any body home. LOL
I understand you will never use that very subvertive special option, neither will I, I am way too afraid of PD police and the vigilante on GT Planet.
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- London, UK
- TAM-Spencer
Im a programmer and from a programming point of view they were asking to get the save games hacked, its a stupid way of going abut things, im just amazed that no one did it sooner, anyway ill be pleased to see the back of the hybrids, when all you want is a fair race its one less thing to worry about.
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- London, Ontario
- voodoovaj
If modders get banned simply for modding, this is bad business in time when even the most elite of developers are being shuttered. The law of diminishing returns is upon us. What can GT6 provide that is SO essential to my life that I must have it if I still have gt5 to mess around with and an endless supply of cars to mod?
Plain and simple, my view is that I have done nothing harmful to the franchise so if I am retaliated against, I will counter with my wallet.
If accounts start being banned en masse, I can see sales being affects greatly.
Sony, Polyphony, and their legal team should keep in mind that all things come to an end. For a stagnating franchise, shooting yourself in the foot is not advisable.
I have nothing but 500 and 550 cars and I have received nothing but positive feedback about them. I don't use them to gain an unfair advantage. I use them because they are fun.
Plain and simple, my view is that I have done nothing harmful to the franchise so if I am retaliated against, I will counter with my wallet.
If accounts start being banned en masse, I can see sales being affects greatly.
Sony, Polyphony, and their legal team should keep in mind that all things come to an end. For a stagnating franchise, shooting yourself in the foot is not advisable.
I have nothing but 500 and 550 cars and I have received nothing but positive feedback about them. I don't use them to gain an unfair advantage. I use them because they are fun.
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- London, UK
- TAM-Spencer
They can collect data from both online TT's and lobbies , it will depend how far they want to go, either keep the integrity of the TT's and let people use them in open rooms or just wipe them out tottaly.
I don't think this PD stunt will be a problem, since it's very hard to track this hybrid, there's no way PD can access our save game, unless someone reported your PSN name, and they will try to look even further, until then, i can say it is safe to have hybrid, just keep out from online lobbies.
Secondly, what if people sending you a car, a realistic hybrid maybe, without you knowing that it is a hybrid, and you keep it, not knowing that it is a hybrid? It's unfair to ban such people for being innocence..
All in all, stay out from online lobbies.
Secondly, what if people sending you a car, a realistic hybrid maybe, without you knowing that it is a hybrid, and you keep it, not knowing that it is a hybrid? It's unfair to ban such people for being innocence..
All in all, stay out from online lobbies.
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- tougemonster33
Hybrids are not realistic IMO,no matter what the tune or lap time tells you.hex editor GT5 edition thats what hybriding did to this game.
- 3,634
- London, Ontario
- voodoovaj
Really? How did your hybrid turn out? How can you have an informed opinion based on hearsay?
I thought it was shady until I tried it.
- 37
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- tougemonster33
Theres so much that goes into a chassis swap or engine swap for that matter just asking that seems dumb.Do you actually get to tune corner weight,tire size,engine weight.Cmon now guys if you enjoy hybrids because you get to do what you want thats cool,but to say there are some realistic hybrids just because of some codes you use is retarted in my opinion.Im a Honda guy and i would love to swap engines in GT5 like in real life,but i wouldn't feel comfortable if PD wasnt the company that made it available to use in the game.
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- jc18137
Sorry, but this game is just codes that is what it is. Every car has a grip multiplier and tires are nothing but grip multipliers. I like the Hybrids I have made. My Gt500, ZL-1, my ideal R34, and many others I have made feel really good and have had a lot of work into them. More than just entering code here and there. Maybe you should try a few before you pass judgement.
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- Los Angeles area, CA
YEEOWCH.
Teh Banstick.
I mean, sure; the people that were bollocksing it up for the online racers with ridiculous tunes are no better than the early noobs bringing in X-1's, and racing the wrong way on the tracks.
I feel sorry for the people who were only tuning cosmetically / sensibly, though, and who were otherwise keeping to themselves.
C'est la vie.
Teh Banstick.
I mean, sure; the people that were bollocksing it up for the online racers with ridiculous tunes are no better than the early noobs bringing in X-1's, and racing the wrong way on the tracks.
I feel sorry for the people who were only tuning cosmetically / sensibly, though, and who were otherwise keeping to themselves.
C'est la vie.
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- NJ
- tougemonster33
Wow your right didnt realize they may have grip multipler in real life.lmao Really so having a grip multipler makes up for all the other important information i posted before?Corner weight etc etc.Im not saying its easy or thats there are simple steps or that you cant actually tune them.Simply saying there are no realistic hybrids because PD is not in charge of it.Basiclly what im saying is if PD didnt put this option in the game why would i trust some Hex editing/chassis/transmission/engine swaps.And than think you have a realistic hybrid.REALLY...,,,,,your just lying to yourselves,which is even funnier because its a game.Now in the looks department i have no beef with hybrids.
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I think most "intelligent" (I hold a very broad definition, lest anyone think I'm being elitist), "mature" (no fixed definition, take it at face value) people will read between the lines on that warning from Sony / PD.
In my opinion, it's vagueness is deliberate to scare the Sony fearing kids into repentance and to make sure everyone else knows they will be banned if they take the piss. Pretty simple, really.
I'm going to keep using my hybrids, although I haven't taken them online into anyone else's room but my own lounge (which I do anyway, hybrid or no; I only pub' shuffle races because I can't be arsed to tune).
In my opinion, it's vagueness is deliberate to scare the Sony fearing kids into repentance and to make sure everyone else knows they will be banned if they take the piss. Pretty simple, really.
I'm going to keep using my hybrids, although I haven't taken them online into anyone else's room but my own lounge (which I do anyway, hybrid or no; I only pub' shuffle races because I can't be arsed to tune).
- 7,573
- Exorcet
- OE Exorcet
I feel sorry for everyone. Apparently cheating is OK if you don't use modded cars. None of the real problems have been addressed. I can only hope that banning is a strong first step to send a signal and that changes to the game come later.
And PD can be trusted for realism? So many cars wrong in GT5. And it's not just limited to standards. The modders are as good a source of realistic vehicle as PD is.
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If youve been playing Gran Turismo online at any point in the last couple of months, it probably hasnt escaped your attention that there are a whole lot of cars out there that just seem to be too fast.
Whether its been 1000mph Red Bull X2010s and Civics or realistic modified cars, the proliferation of cars modified beyond the normal parameters of the game has been meteoric. It made sufficient dents in the Seasonal Event Time Trials that Polyphony altered the events so that they were single vehicle events only and the car was provided rather than coming from the players own garage.
This morning theyve stepped up the fight back against these hybrid cars with an announcement of intent to ban the accounts of players found using what it terms illicitly modified game data:
GT5 INFORMATION
Whether its been 1000mph Red Bull X2010s and Civics or realistic modified cars, the proliferation of cars modified beyond the normal parameters of the game has been meteoric. It made sufficient dents in the Seasonal Event Time Trials that Polyphony altered the events so that they were single vehicle events only and the car was provided rather than coming from the players own garage.
This morning theyve stepped up the fight back against these hybrid cars with an announcement of intent to ban the accounts of players found using what it terms illicitly modified game data:
GT5 INFORMATION
- 3,634
- London, Ontario
- voodoovaj
It is a basic foundation of the game. Grip multiplier isn't a hack, it's the core mechanic of the game. People should really check out more than the last post. Grip multiplier is how there are various tire and surface options.
Most cars have a grip around 100. If you add 1 to that, you gain about 10PP
I'm sticking by my 500-550 mod cars. If I want to make more, I will. If I get banned, well, I guess there are other places to spend my money.
- 1,168
- Yorkshire
- SpeedyOLLY
Well thanks for sharing.
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TouGeMonster33
Ummm just to let you know the grip multiplier isn't actually all the difference is in the tire model in GT5 anyway. Do you really think that GT5's different tires are actually totally different things? No all when you do say change from racing hard to racing medium to racing softs is changing the grip multiplier nothing else.
This has been known for a very long time. And proven by the GTP member Scaff in his threads comparing GT5 vs Forza 4 physics.
So basically the grip multiplier if you look at the whole big picture is changing tire grades/compounds which is exactly what you do in real life.
So basically you saying that the grip multiplier correct at all is about as ludicrous as me saying a I can take a 8G turn in a jeep with a six inches lift kit.
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- tougemonster33
How does that make sense tho.We dont have a team of of programmers traveling the world spending millions of dollars editing.Do you? Because than you have a valid point.Theres not much wrong with GT5 except the sounds and more tuning options.Everything we complain about will be fixed nex gen.IDK about tuning.So i do trust PD more than some random modders who don't actually work for PD.just my opinion
- 1,168
- Yorkshire
- SpeedyOLLY
The Real Driving Simulator.. cough..
- 6,985
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TouGeMonster33
It has been proven by many people many times bro. The tire model consists of a grip multipler. That's how the physics have been since day one. Same thing with the power limiter. All it is a multiplier too.
Take my word for it or not. That's what PD uses for the tire model.
- 7,573
- Exorcet
- OE Exorcet
The budget doesn't matter. Arcade games are very similar, but they obviously aren't made more realistic through spending. PD isn't aiming for a be all end all sim, it's pretty obvious. The game was released with some important parts of the physics completely missing or just wrong, and numerous cars have incorrect stats. Toronado made a thread to document them.
PD being devs doesn't necessarily make them more right than fans.
Those are minor issues compared to a few other things. GT needs completely new physics if it wants to be considered a top end simulator.
Only if PD deems them worth fixing. Going by past history, they may not.
Obviously not every modder is going to know what they're doing, but within the random sample of modders you can bet a few will know what they're talking about, perhaps more than PD does.
But anyway, what I think needs more attention at the moment is whether or not PD considers their job done with banning/ban warnings. I hope that's not where it ends. I don't see a need for banning at all, but admittedly even if modders weren't doing anything wrong, it leaves the door open. If they want to ban people, I guess it's justified. However, if that's all they do, the real problems, which weren't from modding, will still exist and will likely exist forever.
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