Standard cars in GT6?

[AleksandarSRB]

If I remember correctly in some interview before GT5 release Kaz sad that they need 10 year's to make all car's premium. If they start to work on GT5 in 2005 than PD will make all car in premium quality up to 2015. If they launch GT6 in 2013 we should expect at least 700+ premium car's with no standard at all.

 

[thelvynau]

If I remember correctly in some interview before GT5 release Kaz sad that they need 10 year's to make all car's premium. If they start to work on GT5 in 2005 than PD will make all car in premium quality up to 2015. If they launch GT6 in 2013 we should expect at least 700+ premium car's with no standard at all.

In a perfect world that kind of timeframe can be met.

But this is pd we are talking about where a timeframe cant be measured or predicted.

 

[Samus]

The thing is look at the competition again. By the time Forza 5 launches on the next Xbox their car list is going to be in the region of 800 fully detailed, current gen cars. PD are going to need to get close to that but not just in numbers of course, the variety needs to be there as well.

 

[thelvynau]

I think its been shown over and over again pd wouldnt get away with having standard cars in gt6.

This will be the first thing I look for before purchase.

 

[HKS racer]

They can make all the premium cars they want but with "standard ideas" there is no way to improve the game. Look at iRacing how many premium cars they have? Surely less than 200.

So PD, for GT6 do your homeworks first.
Livery Editor, Custom Classes, Custom Events.

 

[thelvynau]

They can make all the premium cars they want but with "standard ideas" there is no way to improve the game. Look at iRacing how many premium cars they have? Surely less than 200.

So PD, for GT6 do your homeworks first.
Livery Editor, Custom Classes, Custom Events.

I said standard cars are the first thing trust me there is more I will be looking at.

 

[Tvensky]

This is important! GT6 should be premium! BUT! GT6 also should have all cars... so is it possible to make all cars premium... I think if you skip some tiny city cars and 49 skylines and 29 miatas, then its possible..

 

[Samus]

This is important! GT6 should be premium! BUT! GT6 also should have all cars... so is it possible to make all cars premium... I think if you skip some tiny city cars and 49 skylines and 29 miatas, then its possible..

By "all cars" I assume you mean all of the current standard cars? Well they don't all need to be made premium, not at all. PD would basically have to delete the standard cars and start from scratch with their cars except for the premium cars of of course. Now whilst a lot of the standards deserve to be re-done in better quality I would hope they instead look further afield as well.

I would be rather dissapointed to get GT6 and find a car list 90% the same as GT5, just all premium. If they are aiming for around 500/600 premium cars including the 200 or so they already have I would hope at least half of the other 300/400 are brand new models, the rest old standards.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

The only thing that I would be missing from standards is that some of the coolest cars in the game might be axed... just like what happened when we moved from GT2 to GT3...

I hope enough of them get through the roster cut...

As much as I want to keep seeing cars that have been in the GT series for a long time continue to appear in the next GT game, I don't think that's a realistic thing to expect anymore so I try not to get too attached to them. Even Forza dropped cars that appeared in their first games. FM1 and FM2 had a lot of cool modified variations of Japanese cars like the 1,000 HP VeliSide Supra, but for whatever reason, they had to let them go at some point.

Imagine seeing FM1 and FM2 quality cars in a current Forza game. Turn 10 would receive a lot of negativity for it and it would hurt their reputation, just like with PD. For the good of the GT series, I think they need to just leave those cars behind if they're not going to update them.

 

[BongRipz]

I wouldn't mind the standard duplicates in GT5 so much if they didnt just clone everything. For example, why have the lesser 3000gt/GTO models if all you are going to do is make them with less power but leave them AWD as opposed to less power but RWD like in previous GT models.

As for standards in GT6 I wouldn't mind so much if at the least they fixed all the texture and exterior modeling issues. If they dont get interiors but the exteriors are fixed, I can live with that. I just dont want to see alot of the cars lost from previous GT titles like we saw happen in GT3. Anyone else missing the Espace F1 and Toyota GTone Road Car as much as me?

 

[stiggygonzalez]

I wouldn't mind the standard duplicates in GT5 so much if they didnt just clone everything. For example, why have the lesser 3000gt/GTO models if all you are going to do is make them with less power but leave them AWD as opposed to less power but RWD like in previous GT models.

As for standards in GT6 I wouldn't mind so much if at the least they fixed all the texture and exterior modeling issues. If they dont get interiors but the exteriors are fixed, I can live with that. I just dont want to see alot of the cars lost from previous GT titles like we saw happen in GT3. Anyone else missing the Espace F1 and Toyota GTone Road Car as much as me?

Yeah,would love to see Espace F1,GTone road car and Aston Martin DB6 return.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I wouldn't mind the standard duplicates in GT5 so much if they didnt just clone everything. For example, why have the lesser 3000gt/GTO models if all you are going to do is make them with less power but leave them AWD as opposed to less power but RWD like in previous GT models.

As for standards in GT6 I wouldn't mind so much if at the least they fixed all the texture and exterior modeling issues. If they dont get interiors but the exteriors are fixed, I can live with that. I just dont want to see alot of the cars lost from previous GT titles like we saw happen in GT3. Anyone else missing the Espace F1 and Toyota GTone Road Car as much as me?

I miss the Espace, Alcyone, and Mazda Cosmo incredibly, same with the '82 Starlet and first-gen RX-7. But I don't miss them enough to accept low standards just to have them in the game. Maybe it's because I play other sim-like games now, but the Standards in GT5 feel so completely limited and outdated that I just can't enjoy them, either as much as the Premiums, or as much as other games' versions. They're great if you want to drive them stock from any view other than cockpit, I suppose, but it's 2012 and I just don't find that acceptable any more.

You can't "fix" Standards; you can throw higher-res textures at them, but they are still built in a very different way than Premiums, being one-piece designs with textured panel gaps. That will always limit their features; bodykits and damage models being just two things that would be more difficult to work with. I accept we'll lose a fair amount of them should PD move to a Premium-only lineup for GT6 (and they absolutely should, IMO), but I'd rather that than the most widely-recognized racing game on consoles split its roster into two very different quality levels. That's never been acceptable in other games, I'm not sure why PD should get a pass.

Besides, considering the amount of duplicates, made-up cars, and such, combined with the amount of time it's been since GT5's release, hypothetically, there shouldn't be too many casualties.

 

[ShiftingGears]

If I remember correctly in some interview before GT5 release Kaz sad that they need 10 year's to make all car's premium. If they start to work on GT5 in 2005 than PD will make all car in premium quality up to 2015. If they launch GT6 in 2013 we should expect at least 700+ premium car's with no standard at all.

I think getting rid of photo travel would give them some perspective on how much detail a car model should need, in my opinion.

 

[sumbrownkid]

It would be inexcusable, at least from the common consensus on the boards at least, if standard cars have a presence in GT6.

I know I'll have a tough time knowing the Saubers, Minoltas, and any other race car will probably be gone by GT6, but I'll adjust.

 

[occasionalracer]

It's always been my hope that PD don't drop ANY of it's line-up. The awesome thing about GT is that we can drive cars that we have owned or grew up with, even if it's not for driving pleasure, but just having them to look at in photomode... there's so many good looking cars from the 80-90's, albeit with "average" handling, however if they build online gameplay in a way that all models are actually used in random matchmaking/shuffle style, proper PP balancing, there could be many excellent races happening with these cool commuter cars.

Please PD! Just outsource like 500 cars and get it done! By the end of PS4's life there could easily be 2000+ vehicles in Gran Turismo.

 

[Dan_]

It would be inexcusable, at least from the common consensus on the boards at least, if standard cars have a presence in GT6.

This.

Please PD! Just outsource like 500 cars and get it done! By the end of PS4's life there could easily be 2000+ vehicles in Gran Turismo.

And this ^.

While I sincerely believe the Standards did add something positive to GT5, their presence on the next games would be unnaceptable to me, not that I demand absolute levels of detailing in all models but having two blatantly different model qualities in the same screen was very unsettling to me.

However I do agree that the variety of cars and specially those which are already firmly planted in the series should not go entirely. PD should outsource the modeling at least to a degree, even if there is a slight loss of quality compared to what they can do in-house, the addition of content more than makes up for the burden of monitoring and quality-assuring said models.

 

[Gt5Ps]

Every car should be premium

 

[BongRipz]

It's always been my hope that PD don't drop ANY of it's line-up. The awesome thing about GT is that we can drive cars that we have owned or grew up with, even if it's not for driving pleasure, but just having them to look at in photomode...

My first car in GT2 was the Celica GT-Four RC in red and I've made a point of always having one in my garage. I dont even like red cars (beside certain ferraris). I would hate to lose it.

 

[Gt5Ps]

All premium

 

[Scuderia Paul]

Standard models is an approach you only get away with once. They should all be premium and surely could be if PD excluded all duplicate models.

Having said that I would not be surprised to see semi-premium models in GT6.

 

[eran0004]

This is important! GT6 should be premium! BUT! GT6 also should have all cars... so is it possible to make all cars premium... I think if you skip some tiny city cars and 49 skylines and 29 miatas, then its possible..

That's 80 cars. Out of 1000+. You do the math. Besides, if 20 of those 50 Skylines are virtually the same, they can be done copy-pasting so leaving them out doesn't even in theory save any time at all.

Also, converting standards to premiums is pointless. The standards are in the game because they were made earlier. If they gonna do 500 or even 1000 new premium cars, I'd rather wish they scrapped the entire standard car list and started over from scratch looking at what cars they want to include. A car that was hyped back in 2001 may have lost all significance today, so it's better to leave that one out and go for another car instead. There are landmarks and milestones in the past for sure (lots of great cars from 1990's and earlier!) and I want as many of those as possible, but there's also a lot of cars that they can leave out to rest in peace.

With that being said, I think the standard cars carried their own weight in GT5. Sure enough they're not very nice models to look at, and they feel less realistic than the premium cars, but in my book the wide selection of cars and the shuffle race feature (which would have been useless without the standards) compensated for those flaws. GT5 was not made a worse game because of the inclusion of standard cars, nor was it made a lot better by it. The pros and cons evened out themselves.

(Actually, the RUF BTR '86 tips the scale in favour of the pros)

 

[Aloha62_2]

I would be OK with standard cars being an optional DLC pack and for those who purchase the pack any standard to premium updates should be free or heavily discounted to take into account a double purchase.

 

[sneakypete123]

I would be OK with standard cars being an optional DLC pack and for those who purchase the pack any standard to premium updates should be free or heavily discounted to take into account a double purchase.

I would hate them to do this, reason being I dont want it but would probably buy it.

If GT6 comes on PS4 and they put copy pastes from a PS2 game they will loose all credibillity as a developer, and dont think for one minute they will eventually "upgrade them" because they wont.

 

[BongRipz]

That's 80 cars. Out of 1000+. You do the math. Besides, if 20 of those 50 Skylines are virtually the same, they can be done copy-pasting so leaving them out doesn't even in theory save any time at all.

But lets not forget the Miatas, the 3000GT/GTOs, the Imprezas, the Lancers, the FD RX7s... ect. The list of clone cars all of a sudden gets longer then 80.

Having said that I would not be surprised to see semi-premium models in GT6.

I would be satisfied with that.

 

[MoLiEG]

As much as I want to keep seeing cars that have been in the GT series for a long time continue to appear in the next GT game, I don't think that's a realistic thing to expect anymore so I try not to get too attached to them. Even Forza dropped cars that appeared in their first games. FM1 and FM2 had a lot of cool modified variations of Japanese cars like the 1,000 HP VeliSide Supra, but for whatever reason, they had to let them go at some point.

Imagine seeing FM1 and FM2 quality cars in a current Forza game. Turn 10 would receive a lot of negativity for it and it would hurt their reputation, just like with PD. For the good of the GT series, I think they need to just leave those cars behind if they're not going to update them.

So true. GT6 needs to have an updated car line up... as much as I'd like to continue seeing some cars in future games, for the good of the franchise... they need to go for the new stuff...

 

[occasionalracer]

I would be satisfied with that.

I can tell you Mr. Kazanori Yamauchi would not be.

 

[Samus]

...and what would semi-premium be exactly?

 

[AleksandarSRB]

...and what would semi-premium be exactly?

For me its premium quality exterior without modeled interior on premium level. So no cockpit view for semi-premium car

 

[BongRipz]

For me its premium quality exterior without modeled interiors on premium level. So no cockpit view for semi-premium car

Thats what I was thinking as well. This would allow them to go back and update things again later if they so choose.

 

[thelvynau]

For me its premium quality exterior without modeled interior on premium level. So no cockpit view for semi-premium car

Thats definately wrong no way would I buy gt6 under those conditions.