The '13 driver transfer discussion/speculation thread op updated 16/10

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I honestly don't think Force India can really make a bad choice out of the drivers mentioned.
Probably best that they keep di Resta as a known quantity and ideally get another experienced and solid driver.

There isn't really anyone right now that I'd give a punt from the junior formulas. I mean da Costa, Nasr, Calado, etc all look exciting prospects but I think they're better off spending another year in GP2/FR3.5.

I'd like to see Buemi or Alguesuari given the chance as they still have something to prove. Sutil, Barrichello and Villenueve have had their time.
 
Sutil had his time? He was very good driver. He would do very well if he jusy had a good car.
 
Sutil had his time? He was very good driver. He would do very well if he jusy had a good car.

Yeah but he got fired from Force India last year because of the shangai incident and some other stuff, I doubt they gonna re-hired him. I dont see the point.

Anyway I'm routing for Seb since he's from my country and he's pretty fast also. He did a good job with RB also this year, doing the not so glamourous 3rd pilot developpement on simulator. RB said they gonna keep him if he dont find a seat. It might be appealing for FI to get him too since he got a lot of experience/information with RB/newey I guess.
 
Sutil had his time? He was very good driver. He would do very well if he jusy had a good car.

He had 5 years in the sport and stayed relatively level. I don't think there's any hidden potential to unlock.

Buemi and Alguesuari had 3/2.5 years and were under the difficult circumstances at Toro Rosso (only Vettel has really managed to shine there, all the other drivers so far have suffered more than benefited from driving for them).
I'd be interested to see how they performed in a different team environment, and one where they were allowed to develop and be competitive..rather than be forced to meet whatever target Red Bull deemed.

I think in this respect, Ricciardo has benefited from driving for HRT last year. I definitely see in Vergne the same pressures that many of the STR drivers have suffered.
 
He had 5 years in the sport and stayed relatively level. I don't think there's any hidden potential to unlock.

Buemi and Alguesuari had 3/2.5 years and were under the difficult circumstances at Toro Rosso (only Vettel has really managed to shine there, all the other drivers so far have suffered more than benefited from driving for them).

I'd be interested to see how they performed in a different team environment, and one where they were allowed to develop and be competitive..rather than be forced to meet whatever target Red Bull deemed.

My vote were I running FI would go to Alguesuari as a very young driver who's already shown decent speed and that he can handle pressure. He can expect many years of improvement from an athletic standpoint and so is worth a punt. Buemi's a couple years older and therefore is a couple years less of a prospect.
 
True dat, but there isn't a broadcast-rights thread.

Create one. I'm getting fed up of seeing people shoe-horn things into "General discussion" threads.
We have an entire sub-forum here to play with, don't be afraid to make new threads!
 
Actually, there is a thread on Formula 1 coverage. Admittedly, it's about Sky and the BBC, but it's the closest thing we've got:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=216059

And there's a difference between "shoehorning things into general discussion threads" and knowingly posting something that is wildly off-topic because you can't be bothered to search for anything that already exists or creating a new thread for it. zippy, you might as well have signed off with "#yolo" for all the good it did you.
 
He had 5 years in the sport and stayed relatively level. I don't think there's any hidden potential to unlock.

Buemi and Alguesuari had 3/2.5 years and were under the difficult circumstances at Toro Rosso (only Vettel has really managed to shine there, all the other drivers so far have suffered more than benefited from driving for them).
I'd be interested to see how they performed in a different team environment, and one where they were allowed to develop and be competitive..rather than be forced to meet whatever target Red Bull deemed.

I think in this respect, Ricciardo has benefited from driving for HRT last year. I definitely see in Vergne the same pressures that many of the STR drivers have suffered.

Alguesuari is still young, I think if he gave up on this DJing business and focused 100% on F1 he could become a great driver. He has the accolade of being the youngest driver to start a grand prix so he must have some potential. It's a shame that there aren't enough good seats available with proven and experienced drivers as team mates.
 
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I doubt being a DJ affects his commitment to driving. Shall we ask Button to stop taking part in triathlons too? :rolleyes:
 
You questioned his commitment to driving, not his fitness. Competing in Triathlons is no different to DJ'ing in this respect. All of the drivers have other activities in their spare time.
Its called being a normal human being.
 
You questioned his commitment to driving, not his fitness. Competing in Triathlons is no different to DJ'ing in this respect. All of the drivers have other activities in their spare time.
Its called being a normal human being.

Fitness contributes to driving? I don't think being a professional DJ whilst being an F1 driver does and is probably a distraction, having said that it might help his rhythm and consistency.
 
Actually, there is a thread on Formula 1 coverage. Admittedly, it's about Sky and the BBC, but it's the closest thing we've got:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=216059

And there's a difference between "shoehorning things into general discussion threads" and knowingly posting something that is wildly off-topic because you can't be bothered to search for anything that already exists or creating a new thread for it. zippy, you might as well have signed off with "#yolo" for all the good it did you.

Actually, I forgot there was a thread about SPEED losing its rights, at https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=265556. Funny thing is, though a few guys there did notice and post on the people moving over to NBC, my browser never bolded the thread's heading as having new posts. Moreover, someone in that thread complained that posts about SPEED guys moving over to NBC was off-topic. Guess everyone's a moderator, and everyone else just has to take it.
 
Perez spoke too soon so now we know that Esteban Gutierrez will take the second seat at Sauber.

Is this goodbye to Kamui Kobayashi in F1? If it is, I have to thank him for the many inspired moments he had racing in F1 cars, moments that made me admire him as a racing driver. Not sure if he is smooth enough for Sports Cars racing, but I'd love to see him in a 3rd Toyota if he indeed leaves F1.
 
Well that's bittersweet for me. I hate seeing Kamui go but I'm really excited at their new line up, it's going to be great watching Sauber yet again. I've always liked Hulkenberg a lot, and he showed some great resolve in the USGP so I expect him to podium a couple times at least. Esteban, I'm not sure, but as long as he fairly finishes ahead of Nico a couple times then I think we can call their pick a success. Getting into Q3 would also merit.

As for where Kamui could go, I'd think he's still worthy of F1 for sure, I'd actually love seeing him at Williams myself, but Bottas is most probably getting that seat. I wouldn't hate seeing him at Caterham, but that would kind of be a waste in my book, but they're on the hunt for more money which is why they seem to be dropping Heikki so that's not gonna happen for Kamui. I don't know what Marussia's up to, but the rumors are rife with Chilton getting the seat for some reason. I don't think that'd be a good experience for him anyway.
So he may pull a year as a test/reserve, then hopefully something opens up in 2014 and he can get back in the game before it's too late. But he'll need to bring money, so it'll be an annoying year for him business-wise.

So other than all that, the hottest seat is indeed Force India. It's really hard to tell if they'll be able to move up next year in performance, but a lot of their potential would probably lie in who they pick to drive. That being considered, I think Di Resta needs to take a #2 spot. Although I'd love to see Jaime there, I don't think they'd go for it. (btw I think he's on Caterham more likely) They want someone with more experience, Nico was the perfect team mate for Di Resta, so someone like him with a bit more experience would be ideal I'd say. And that man would be Kamui. I think he'd be a great fit for them. Someone that knows their ****, brings home the car, can put in consistent results, qualifies really well, a great great benchmark for Di Resta to try and beat. But teams always need money and he can't really provide that so if they do take him on it'll be at a risk. The only other thing I can think of for them is them opting for a brand new driver, but one that just happens to have a huge backing from somewhere - so we may see some new random guy pop up out of nowhere. I think the talk of all the retired drivers charging for the seat (Sutil included) is just fluff to be honest. FI won't be desperate for experience that much, which is why a mix of talent and experience that Kamui can bring seems more attractive to me. Rubens can probably put in good results, but we can count on them not being great, so why go with him? He doesn't have the money either. Just because he approaches the team doesn't mean he's waiting by the phone for them, it only makes sense, if you're a driver and have the qualifications, you'd be stupid not to at least send your business card to the office. Truth is we don't know to what capacity guys like Rubens and Jacques have submitted their interest to the team, could be anything from an E-mail to a handshake, with the fore being more likely.

Can't wait for all the confirmations.
 
I'd personally like to see an American and Italian back on the grid.

As an italian my hopes for that are with lotus-renault. In the test at abu dabi they had Valsecchi and Mortara. But sadly even as the gp2 champion i don't think we will ever see Valsecchi in f1 for many reasons..sponsors, first.
 
It's sad to see Kamui go. But if he doesn't find an F1 seat, I wouldn't be surprised if Toyota picks him up for a possible third entry at the 2013 Le Mans race.
 
But sadly even as the gp2 champion i don't think we will ever see Valsecchi in f1 for many reasons..sponsors, first.
Sponsorship is not what is holding Valsecchi back. Talent is. It took him five years to win the GP2 title, and even then, he only won it because the talent pool in the series was quite shallow this year. Lotus already have a strong combination in Raikkonen and Grosjean, so why would they trade down on one of them for Valsecchi?
 
Perez spoke too soon so now we know that Esteban Gutierrez will take the second seat at Sauber.

Is this goodbye to Kamui Kobayashi in F1? If it is, I have to thank him for the many inspired moments he had racing in F1 cars, moments that made me admire him as a racing driver. Not sure if he is smooth enough for Sports Cars racing, but I'd love to see him in a 3rd Toyota if he indeed leaves F1.

This is sad. I was expecting it, but this is still very bad news.
Let's hope for a seat in 2013.
 
I don't really get why so many people are disappointed Kobayashi is out of a drive. He might be a fan favourite, but he's hardly been ultra-competitive. He certainly hasn't lived up to the fan expectations when he joined full-time in 2010.
 
I don't really get why so many people are disappointed Kobayashi is out of a drive. He might be a fan favourite, but he's hardly been ultra-competitive. He certainly hasn't lived up to the fan expectations when he joined full-time in 2010.

I don't know, his results were good enough for me. I know my opinion almost means nothing, but that's what I think.
A 2013 Sauber line-up made by Hulkenberg - Kobayashi would have been pretty interesting, since I like both drivers.
About Gutierrez... I don't really think that he's the best replacement for Perez. Perez is one of the most promising driver in the circus, I doubt Gutierrez can live up with the expectations.
 
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I don't really get why so many people are disappointed Kobayashi is out of a drive. He might be a fan favourite, but he's hardly been ultra-competitive. He certainly hasn't lived up to the fan expectations when he joined full-time in 2010.

I've been wondering this myself.. I agree though on the idea of Toyota bringing him into the LMP1 program, he'd fit right in.
 
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