The '13 driver transfer discussion/speculation thread op updated 16/10

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Hulkenberg will take some podiums next year for sure, but Gutierrez, well, I think he's not ready yet for formula 1, I think he's overrated, I only like him because he has the same last name as me :rolleyes:, but it will be ok if he gets into Q3 and top 10's regularly
 
Kobayashi presented some good moments and I have nothing against him, but the inconsistent and uncompetitive must make way for the fresh meat.

I like that Hamilton has moved to Mercedes and Perez to McLaren, it's nice to have a big change, otherwise apart from the freshmen, it'd be the same top drivers in the same top teams for another year. This will bring some extra value to next season I find.
 
I don't think that next year will be a great year, I'm waiting for 2014 and the new engine reg's to come in. I think that's why Hamilton has been tempted over to Mercedes, I think they have promised him a strong car in 2014.

I also don't think that Perez will do anything at McLaren next season. We may see a shift in the #1 and #2 status at McLaren. What you guys think?
 
I don't think that next year will be a great year, I'm waiting for 2014 and the new engine reg's to come in. I think that's why Hamilton has been tempted over to Mercedes, I think they have promised him a strong car in 2014.

I also don't think that Perez will do anything at McLaren next season. We may see a shift in the #1 and #2 status at McLaren. What you guys think?

It could certainly benefit Button next year if Mclaren build a strong and reliable car around him. It's very early but I think next year will be between Alonso, Vettel and Button, I'm not expecting much from Lewis and I think Kimi has been fortunate to get up to the last race of the season (at least) without any retirements.
 
Caterham confirmed Pic for 2013 and beyond.

Aaaand Gutierrez confirm for the Sauber 2nd seat and Frijins as reserve. Goodbye Kobayashi. Hope he find some seat in 2013 though. Race or as reserve.
 
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Will Buxton is reporting that the second Force India seat will go to either Jules Bianchi or Bruno Senna.

Though this may be a sarcastic commentary on Vijay Mallya's business plan of taking something that works, making it worse and then pretending there is nothing wrong with it.
 
Honestly, as much Kobayashi has never really 'set the world on fire', it's not like Perez has been 'dominating' or anything, Perez has never scored points for about 5 races already, due to some careless and avoidable mistakes here and there.

I'd say it's under some bad circumstances here and there that kind of limited Kobayashi from achieving more strong podiums. He has been capable of driving cleanly for most of the time, and consistently bringing the car to strong points finishes more often than Perez, who even though has shown great talent and potential with podium finishes, has failed to sustain it in most other races, particularly in the recent 5 races.
 
With all this driver market stuff happening, I think the teams without a second driver confirmed or none of them will look like

Force India: Paul di Resta and Jaime Alguersuari

Williams: Pastor Maldonado and Valtteri Bottas

Marussia: Timo Glock and Max Chilton

Caterham: Charles Pic and Giedo van der Garde

HRT (if it does even come to race in 2013 with another name): Pedro de la Rosa and Ma Qinghua
 
I said that I wouldn't be surprised if Perez beats Button next year, but the last races have made him look pretty subpar.
 
To me it looks like Caterham will retain Petrov for 2013. Earlier in the season Heikki was outperforming him in qualifying but finishing behind him in the races, and then some alternating/jumbled results followed mid season, but now in the more recent string of races Petrov has been leading the team more often in qualifying aswell as the races, and should prove a good marker for next season's car, but of course he must still upgrade his current sponsorship bundle a bit to be sure.
 
I said that I wouldn't be surprised if Perez beats Button next year, but the last races have made him look pretty subpar.

I don't think that Perez will beat button next year, in either quali or race. I think that Button is a lot faster than people give him credit for, also he has been playing second fiddle to Hamilton.

As I have said, I think we will see a shift in status at McLaren, don't be surprised if we see Button in contention for the WDC next season.
 
To me it looks like Caterham will retain Petrov for 2013.
Giedo van der Garde appears to be the favourite for the second Caterham seat. Which will be a massive step backwards for the team; they might have the raw pace to stay in front of Marussia, but as the Singapore Grand Prix proved, one hectic race can swing the balance of power and the speed deficit will count for very little. Caterham need someone experienced who can develop their car, but at the same time, they might be using the CT-01 again next year because the rules have not changed very much.

As for Petrov's fate, I've heard that he could be going to Williams next year to replace Pastor Maldonado. Maldonado would go to Lotus, taking Grosjean's seat. Where Grosjean winds up is never is never quite made clear. This whole scenario makes very little sense, but Grosjean's reputation seems to be the driving force behind it. He's got a few podiums, but sponsors might see him as a liability. I've heard that Total want to support a French driver, but they aren't happy with Grosjean's tendency to crash into anything that moves, and so are jumping ship to Caterham to support Charles Pic. This would leave Lotus without a fuel partner, paving the way for PDVSA to join the team, courtesy of Maldonado. Although Maldonado has a poor reputation as well, he's kept his nose clean for six or seven races so far, and his win in Spain will be a drawcard for any sponsor. Coca-Cola's investment in the team through the Burn brand would also put less financial pressure on PDVSA.

I know that Eric Boullier and Lotus keep piling praise and reassurance of a drive on Grosjean, but this is nothing new for them. They didn't cut Vitaly Petrov loose until they knew they had Kimi Raikkonen on-board for 2012, and they were expressing their satisfaction with Petrov and Senna right up to the moment they let both of them go. They evidently wanted to hold onto their drivers until they knew they had their first two choices. It wouldn't surprise me if they do this again with Grosjean.

So Total goes to Caterham with Pic, PDVSA goes to Lotus with Maldonado, and Grosjean goes into limbo. Petrov would then join Williams, even though he's run out of sponsorship from the Russian government. Joining Williams would probably require some kind of funding, and I have no idea where he might get it. Having said that, the President of Kazakhstan was spotted in the Abu Dhabi paddock and no-one seems to know what he was doing there because he's apparently never been interested in Formula 1 and there doesn't seem to have been any record of him doing anything else in Abu Dhabi. He was tipped to be looking at sponsoring HRT, because he controls the Astana Group - an umbrella corporation that represents the interests of all enterprises owned and operated by the Kazakhstan government - and Astana sponsor Daniel Juncadella in Formula 3. Since there are no Kazakh drivers, they're evidently not too picky about who they back, but supporting a Russian driver could be seen as a way to increase tourism to Kazakhstan from their nearest and largest neighbour, Kazakhstan. Of course, the President could have been there to shore up a deal with Sauber and Chelsea, who both say they have a big-name sponsor on-board for 2013 (and Astana sponsor a cycling team as well as Formula 3 cars, so maybe they'll invest in a football club as well).
 
Kobayashi :CCCCCCCC

Hopefully he gets a non-backmarker drive for 2013 :/ (Grosjean<------>Kobayashi would be awesome)
 
I love Mclaren and Button but I dont see how you can say that Button could fight for title next year. He's not fast enough in qualification to get a World title again, unless Mclaren make a truly dominating car like the Brawn was in 2009. He was good in 2010 and 2011 but this year he was really bad comparing his performance with Hamilton's.
 
I love Mclaren and Button but I dont see how you can say that Button could fight for title next year. He's not fast enough in qualification to get a World title again, unless Mclaren make a truly dominating car like the Brawn was in 2009. He was good in 2010 and 2011 but this year he was really bad comparing his performance with Hamilton's.

Maybe he was so bad because he's car wasn't the same as Hamiltons? Maybe because he's McLaren's #2?

If Button isn't in the top 3 with Alonso and Vettel, then who? Kimi? I don't think that he will be that lucky again next year, although I do think that he's fast, I think he's more of a mid-feild racer.

What about Webber I hear you ask? Webber is a possibility, I think that the fight between him and Button will be interesting this season.

Perez? No chance. Although it will be interesting to see what he can do in a McLaren, I don't think he has a proper shout at it, but I have been wrong in the past.

Massa? Not unless Ferrari's R&D pull there finger out. Even Alonso might have trouble keeping the fight alive this next season.

My predictions, Vettel to be champ AGAIN. Button a distant 2nd and Alonso a not so distant 3rd.
 
I don't think that Perez will beat button next year, in either quali or race. I think that Button is a lot faster than people give him credit for, also he has been playing second fiddle to Hamilton.

As I have said, I think we will see a shift in status at McLaren, don't be surprised if we see Button in contention for the WDC next season.

Nah, Button is visibly slower than Hamilton, Vettel etc. He's a lot more reliable and sensible though. Definitely think he will beat Perez because of this.

Honestly, as much Kobayashi has never really 'set the world on fire', it's not like Perez has been 'dominating' or anything, Perez has never scored points for about 5 races already, due to some careless and avoidable mistakes here and there.

I'd say it's under some bad circumstances here and there that kind of limited Kobayashi from achieving more strong podiums. He has been capable of driving cleanly for most of the time, and consistently bringing the car to strong points finishes more often than Perez, who even though has shown great talent and potential with podium finishes, has failed to sustain it in most other races, particularly in the recent 5 races.

Been saying this all along; Perez drives a fast car to a good position. Nothing special and his rate of mistakes hasn't really increased, it's been high all along. Just that now Force India and Williams are faster.

Kobayashi isn't really any worse than Perez, although I can't say I'm disappointed he won't be in F1 next year. Another one who has made too many mistakes. I'm very much looking forward to what Hulkenburg can do next year. He's a consistently fast driver and for me, one of the drivers of the season who I certainly think will be getting podiums if Sauber manage to provide a car as fast as their early season car.

Kovalienen leaving is gutting. Hopefully we'l see him at Force India although it doesn't look likely. Would certainly be better than Senna imo.
 
HRT and K. Kobayashi are both running campaigns so they can stay in F1. HRT's campaign isn't run by them but it's a campaign that asks for signatures and support from spanish companies so a spanish team can stay in F1. Kamui's campaign is indeed run by himself I think and is a fund-raiser so he can find a seat the next season.

My best wishes to Kamui, I really hope to see him in the top step of a podium someday. As for HRT, the sooner they leave the better for me.
 
where's HRT ? rock bottom.

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It's statistically certain that someone would be. You could have the top 20 football clubs in the world in one league and one of them would still finish bottom.

HRT attend every race meeting, compete in every session, have adequate facilities, are not laughably off the pace and are a useful addition to the grid. I would rather see 24 cars of on the grid than 14.

There have been far worse entries and drivers on the grid.
 
After HRT are gone, people will just ask for Marussia to be gone, and so on.

I hope HRT manage to survive, I'm sure many of their mechanics, engineers, etc work as hard if not harder than even some of the big teams! Merely standing still (maintaining the same gap to the front) in F1 is an achievement in itself.

To turn up to all of the races and reliably finish most of them is already achieving more than a lot of teams in the past.

To think that HRT could have almost had half a point this year as well if the race at Malaysia hadn't been restarted.
 
am not saying that i would want to to just see 14 cars on the grid. If you support hrt or something and i have offended you then my bad. I have nothing against back markers or new teams am just not a fan of them and i know they dont have the finances to compete with the other teams etc etc
 
HRT is really the worse team Spain could've fielded for F1. Ever heard of Epsilon Euskadi? They had a gret operation going on and had all the resources, even their own wind tunnel. But why was HRT (or CamposMeta F1 as it was named back then) chosen over EE? Pure politics. EE, the ones that showed the best promise (they even were able to field a Le Mans effort), had the best technical and human resources and had the most experience, was driven into bankrupcy because of the decision to give the greenlight to HRT and not to them. Their autoclave and wind tunnel are still there, but they're left abandoned because the bank took over.

Also, HRT has shown no significant improvement. Sure, Life and Andrea-Moda will always be remembered as the all-time greatest fails but that doesn't mean HRT's performance is far from being competitive. They're, at best, an F3 team and have no business in F1. I'm not against privateer F1 teams, but I'm against rolling chicanes. Look at Force India or Sauber: they're the examples of how a privateer F1 team should work.
 
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Also, HRT has shown no sign of improvement. Sure, Life and Andrea-Moda will always be remembered as the all-time greatest fails but that doesn't mean HRT's performance is far from being competitive. They're, at best, an F3 team and have no business in F1.

At Bahrain 2010 they were 10 seconds of the pace. Today it was less than 5.
 
At Bahrain 2010 they were 10 seconds of the pace. Today it was less than 5.

That statistic doesn't tell the entire story. Bahrain is 1.1 Km longer than Interlagos. Though it's true they have evolved a bit and my statement as a tad exaggerated, they're still very far from even being able to compete with the middle of the pack. They only compete with Marussia and with Caterham on very rare ocassions.
 
But so are Caterham and Marussia.

Like Ardius alluded to, if we simply delete the bottom team at the end of the year ala the TOCA shootout, we'll end up with a very thin field and highly unexciting racing.
 
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