The '13 driver transfer discussion/speculation thread op updated 16/10

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Have to disagree with you, Ardius. Massa has shown up his teammate a fair bit lately, and anyone capable of competing with Alonso on an even-playing field is surely worthy of a top seat.
 
I feel bad for Senna. He's a consistent driver. Would like to see what another year of experience, without losing Fridays first session, could bring to him.
 
If looks could kill:

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I wonder if Boullier is unhappy because Grosjean crashed out with another silly mistake, or if he's unhappy because he's already re-signed Grosjean, only for Grosjean to crash out with another silly mistake?
 
Kovalainen isn't up to it. He's a nice guy, but he's not what you'd call fast. Vitaly Petrov has out-qualified and out-raced him quite a lot this season - particualrly during the secnod half of the year - and certainly moreso than Jarno Trulli ever did. Petrov isn't highly rated, so that suggests Kovalainen has punching above his weight, but if he's met his match in Petrov, Lotus won't take him given that they let Petrov go.

Probably. He was just the first one that popped up in my head. However, I have always felt that Heikki is a bit overrated, especially now that he's being beaten by Petrov.

I really have no idea who would be a suitable replacement. I know you have mentioned Kamui, but I'm not sure if that is a good option. Maybe Paul?
Nienteen years of experience would probably count for a lot.

If they need experience, then Heikki has plenty of that, no?
 
If they need experience, then Heikki has plenty of that, no?
Didn't you just say that Kovalainen was over-rated because he's being beaten by Petrov?

Sure, he might have more experience than Petrov, but Kovalainen has said that Caterham will (probably) continue to use the CT-01 chassis next year. In which case, it makes more sense to put the faster guy in the car, even if he is less-experienced.
 
Didn't you just say that Kovalainen was over-rated because he's being beaten by Petrov?

Actually, I thought he was a bit overrated before that, but being beaten by Petrov confirmed my suspicion.

And you were saying that they possibly want Rubens because of experience. I don't understand why and if they want experience, they have Heikki.
Sure, he might have more experience than Petrov, but Kovalainen has said that Caterham will (probably) continue to use the CT-01 chassis next year. In which case, it makes more sense to put the faster guy in the car, even if he is less-experienced.

I think the best decision they could do is keep Petrov. He's fast-ish, somewhat experienced now (three full years), brings sponsorship money and gives continuity to evaluate Pic.
 
Nienteen years of experience would probably count for a lot.

It certainly would, but the story claims that he would compete in both F1 and IndyCar full time next year. A reckless idea, if true. Even with his private jet.

Always been a huge Rubinho fan, and I was disappointed to see him leave in 2011, but now that he's gone, I'd rather it stayed that way. I'd rather he didn't do a Schumacher, and in this case come back and languish back in Q1 and add to his 2007 season, the only one where he scored 0 points.
 
If looks could kill:

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I wonder if Boullier is unhappy because Grosjean crashed out with another silly mistake, or if he's unhappy because he's already re-signed Grosjean, only for Grosjean to crash out with another silly mistake?

Haha, is Eric actually breathing? :D
 
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We couldn't coax Andrea de Caesaris out of retirement...
 
[Driver transfer related bit not sure if entirely on topic]

I just saw Tooned Ep. 11th "ONE GLITCH TOO FAR" (linked already in the Brasilian GP thread, no need to waste bandwith doing it here also)

And I got to say ... wow! I wonder if Lewis Hamilton gave his voice to this one knowing what would come out of it.

In short:

1. THE GLITCH (one too far, remember) comes from LH's use of twitter against the orders.

2. THE TWEET includes the world "Lolz"

3. HAMILTON is shown as the one who wants to leave. (He presses the "No" option)

4. RON DENNIS, is the (very willing I might add) "terninator" of the digital Lewis.

Again I ask from the enlightened within GTPlanet ... do you think Lewis knew the full storyboard of this episode when he voiced it?

[/Driver transfer related bit not sure if entirely on topic]
 
If looks could kill:

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I wonder if Boullier is unhappy because Grosjean crashed out with another silly mistake, or if he's unhappy because he's already re-signed Grosjean, only for Grosjean to crash out with another silly mistake?

This. Is. The. Best. GIF. Ever.
 
And I got to say ... wow! I wonder if Lewis Hamilton gave his voice to this one knowing what would come out of it.

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Again I ask from the enlightened within GTPlanet ... do you think Lewis knew the full storyboard of this episode when he voiced it?
Probably. I'm guessing it was written, animated and the voice work recorded after he announced his departure.
 
Can we have a separate thread with the *confirmed* drivers and teams for 2013 including blanks, plus any "spare" drivers in the first post? I would offer to do so but some of you guys are way cleverer about such things than me =)

In other news, just been watching videos on Youtube of various shenanigans (probably mostly set up) involving Lewis and Jenson circa 2011, does seem like they got on well though, makes me a leetle sad that they didn't so much lately, though I wonder if they patched things up a little bit during the close of the 2012 season?

EDIT: Eep my bad, that'll learn me to skip to the latest post though no disrespect F1 Fan but it seems a little ragtag? How about each team underlined, followed by their confirmed driver(s) or "TBC" and a pool of "spare" drivers at the end?
 
Can we have a separate thread with the *confirmed* drivers and teams for 2013 including blanks, plus any "spare" drivers in the first post? I would offer to do so but some of you guys are way cleverer about such things than me =)
Why? There's no sense to it. The thread would ahrdly get used, and its contents would easily fit in this thread, so there is no need to have a seaparate thread. If it's a list of confirmed drivers that you want, then look no further than the opening post of this thread (though it hasn't been updated for a while).

Failing that, you can find a complete list of confirmed teams and drivers on Wikipedia, which I know to be 100% accurate since I've been working on the article for a while now.
 
Why? There's no sense to it. The thread would ahrdly get used, and its contents would easily fit in this thread, so there is no need to have a seaparate thread. If it's a list of confirmed drivers that you want, then look no further than the opening post of this thread (though it hasn't been updated for a while).

Failing that, you can find a complete list of confirmed teams and drivers on Wikipedia, which I know to be 100% accurate since I've been working on the article for a while now.

"There's no sense to it"? OK boss. I wasn't talking about the ongoing discussion of a long thread, more a summary (perhaps in the first post as I suggested) of the situation as it stands, and of course I could find that elsewhere but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see it here. Of course I could search elsewhere for it, but that pretty much covers a ton of the content in GTP, and rather negates it as a resource as well as a forum.

Yes the contents could easily fit in this thread, but this thread currently runs at 70 pages. All power to you if you have the time to read that. But there are many threads that succinctly summarise the topic in the first post, as it can be edited. Discussion still continues in the thread, and that's kinda what marks this out from a resource such as Wikipedia, which no matter how often you update it, is still seen as somewhat "static" by many. Hope that's all OK with you though ;)
 
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And like I showed you, the list of confirmed drivers is included in the first post of this thread (though it hasn't been updated for a while), and there is a full list on an external and highly-reliable site.

So I really don't know why you want another thread simply to discuss confirmed driver changes.

As far as I know, it has not been announced that Paul di Resta have a contract with Force India for 2013, so how can it be 100% accurate? Please correct me if I am wrong.
Hover your cursor over the reference supplied for di Resta (#12). It will bring up the details of the reference used to justify the inclusion of di Resta in the table, and contains the following quote from Bob Fernley, Force India's deputy team principal:
"Our drivers are with us long term so it is not an issue. If there is any movement in drivers it is not something we will initiate. While we don't want to lose Paul or Nico, they are two super young drivers. Equally we will not force a driver to stay because then he will not have his heart in it."
It has not been announced that di Resta has been re-signed to Force India because he already has a contract; there is no need to sign anything.
 
Np.

One interesting thing to note is that since Petrov got Caterham past Marussia in Brazil he secured them a 10th place finish in the constructors'. Not sure where this next part's sourced, but I heard that there was some sort of thing in place to where if they were able to get 10th that they could keep on Heikki but now Petrov's done the job so he has more right to stay... annnnd they've already signed Pic. So tough luck there for our Finn.
 
The question is whether they will see Petrov's performance in Brazil as earning them tenth place and the corresponding television rights payout, or if they felt that tenth place was their due and Marussia had only lucked into the position in Singapore, negating Patrov's contribution. Ideally, they'd go with the former, but they could (unfairly) use the latter as justification in letting Petrov and Kovalainen go.
 
Petrov's done a pretty good job this year. He never put himself in a precarious position, which was different to his Renault years. I'd actually want, and this is throwing personalities or whatever out the window, keep Petrov over Heikki. If the cars even a bit better next year he can score points for them surely.
 
Petrov's done a pretty good job this year. He never put himself in a precarious position, which was different to his Renault years. I'd actually want, and this is throwing personalities or whatever out the window, keep Petrov over Heikki. If the cars even a bit better next year he can score points for them surely.

I really do hope Caterham scores points in 2013, i actually thought they would get it done this year, and with HRT almost certainly gone they have an even greater chance.

Also if HRT is leaving and there wont be extra cars on the grid does that mean the points system will change slightly or will it stay the same?
 
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