Two-Wheel Drive Non-Racing European Car Super Lap: Ascari Full Track

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Chased down Nowcontrol on my friends list and improved 2 seconds today to a 2:07.951. Keep over driving the last sector and the tires when I know I am on a fast run. Running 160 ballast at -20 in the X-Bow. Keep trying to soften up the rear end to help get the power down earlier and avoid some of the tail happiness under trail braking. Very fun TT this one and this used to be one of my worst tracks.
 
Anyone here give the FXX a shot? I got a 2:11.XXX my first lap with it, no tune. Maybe someone better at tuning could make it a contender, at least vs the mp4-12c
 
Got 2'14 with a cerbera speed6

Went for an elise 111r and got 2'11''9xx with not much room left for improvements as far as my driving/tuning skills go
2'10 looks possible but will cost me some more white hair growing

Going for the ktm today :mischievous:

edit: 2'07''8 with the ktm at an happy 111th place...but damn, as always, the top times are amazing :bowdown:
 
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I don;t normally drive MR cars but for this one I've been persisting with the 07 Scuderia for a number of the seasonals but just can't get the front end to bite to get me gold on this one. I'm losing lots of time through the corners that should be flat out. (07 M3 coupe will do them flat with no issues on SH)

Mods are just Fully Adjustable suspension and LSD.
SH tyres

Most suspension is as it was out of the box and a little more initial torque on the LSD

Dropped the rear camber back to 0.8 and softened the rear springs by 1.0
rear toe at 0.2 and that has fixed the snappy rear end on lift-off and given much better grip on power
dropped the rear brake to 4 also helped settle it.

But i've been up and down in stiffness, toe in and out, camber, but just can't make the car turn in naturally,
if i drive it like a go-kart and use the lift-off oversteer, it will turn in, but still lacks mid-corner grip.
 
My Light Car Co. Rocket got me the gold on my 1st try. Here's what I did:

Suspension Kit - Racing: Soft
Brakes - Racing
Brake Balance - 10/10
Transmission - Five-Speed
Clutch - Triple-Plate Kit
Ballast Weight - 15kg

Got a time of 2:19.392 on my 4th lap.

NOTE: I also used this same setup on the new 550pp Intermediate Level Non-Race Car Challenge at Laguna Seca and easily won that race.
 
Robbks
I don;t normally drive MR cars but for this one I've been persisting with the 07 Scuderia for a number of the seasonals but just can't get the front end to bite to get me gold on this one. I'm losing lots of time through the corners that should be flat out. (07 M3 coupe will do them flat with no issues on SH)

Mods are just Fully Adjustable suspension and LSD.
SH tyres

Most suspension is as it was out of the box and a little more initial torque on the LSD

Dropped the rear camber back to 0.8 and softened the rear springs by 1.0
rear toe at 0.2 and that has fixed the snappy rear end on lift-off and given much better grip on power
dropped the rear brake to 4 also helped settle it.

But i've been up and down in stiffness, toe in and out, camber, but just can't make the car turn in naturally,
if i drive it like a go-kart and use the lift-off oversteer, it will turn in, but still lacks mid-corner grip.
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How about softer compound ties up front?
 
Robbks
I don;t normally drive MR cars but for this one I've been persisting with the 07 Scuderia for a number of the seasonals but just can't get the front end to bite to get me gold on this one. I'm losing lots of time through the corners that should be flat out. (07 M3 coupe will do them flat with no issues on SH)

Mods are just Fully Adjustable suspension and LSD.
SH tyres

Most suspension is as it was out of the box and a little more initial torque on the LSD

Dropped the rear camber back to 0.8 and softened the rear springs by 1.0
rear toe at 0.2 and that has fixed the snappy rear end on lift-off and given much better grip on power
dropped the rear brake to 4 also helped settle it.

But i've been up and down in stiffness, toe in and out, camber, but just can't make the car turn in naturally,
if i drive it like a go-kart and use the lift-off oversteer, it will turn in, but still lacks mid-corner grip.
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Ok, here's the deal with the Scud you had me tune in the other thread. After I got it tuned for the other Seasonal, just out of curiosity, I came here with it just to see how it would do. Now, keep in mind, I hardly know this track at all, only ran it a handful of times. Having said that, I got Gold with the car on the 3rd lap I ran, 2'19.772, a very, very, conservative lap. Like I told you though, the car handles very differently here than it does at Laguna Seca. I fully believe that PD models different tracks surfaces differently than others, a bunch of us had this discussion before in GT5 and I believe it still holds true with GT6. Anyways, the car is very loose here as compared to Laguna Seca, much has to do with the tires, but also the track itself. By reading your post here, it sounds like you are simply over driving the car. Like I said, this Gold lap was very slow and conservative and I was still able to squeak a Gold time. With a bit more time, I could probably improve my time by a whole second or more with this car, you just have to be more conservative. There is no need to take those certain corners all out, I didn't. Anyways, as loose as this tune is at this track, it is still fully capable of a Gold time. If after you try it and if it is indeed too loose for you, try the following adjustments.

Rear spring rate down to 11.50 or lower
Try softening rear dampers a touch
Raise rear toe a little more - more positive
Lower rear ride height

If you are still having problems, give me a shout and if I have time, I'll see what else I can do. And remember, slow down. :lol: It sounds counter intuitive, but slower really is faster sometimes. Slow in, fast out really holds true in this case. Good luck. 👍
 
Thanks heaps for your time doing this,
"Loose" is ok by me, previously all I could manage was "vague"

I too have only put in a handful of laps here but, after a few more in the M3 around here finding lines and braking points, I gave her the extra power right up to 549pp and couldn't hold those corners flat anymore (obviously) But definitely a more slippery surface.

Again, appreciate you time
 
Robbks
Thanks heaps for your time doing this,
"Loose" is ok by me, previously all I could manage was "vague"

I too have only put in a handful of laps here but, after a few more in the M3 around here finding lines and braking points, I gave her the extra power right up to 549pp and couldn't hold those corners flat anymore (obviously) But definitely a more slippery surface.

Again, appreciate you time
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No problem, you're more than welcome. 👍 Like I said, if there is anything else, just give me a shout and I'll see what I can do for you. Good luck. :cheers:
 
Hey Cargo, how about a tune for the X Bow for 'this' race. It's THE car here. If you get a chance or have the time of course.
What are you doing now, which races? Or are you just doing tuning?
 
Dalone
Hey Cargo, how about a tune for the X Bow for 'this' race. It's THE car here. If you get a chance or have the time of course.
What are you doing now, which races? Or are you just doing tuning?
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I did the 2J TT early on and did this one early on just to get Gold and that's pretty much it as far as these TT events go. I have went back to competing in the WRS TT's so I have been busy with those and other than that, just decided to do some tunes for everyone. If I get time, I'll see what I can do with the X Bow.

Nice time in this event btw, you seem to be doing quite well with this one....great work. 👍 :cheers:
 
I hate this track!!!! You can't pick the right rhythm, every car or understeer or oversteer, even tho you have best setup installed.

So, I tried with the Bow, did 22.Xx I think, enought for me!!

Did I mention that I hate this stupid track?
 
slotty, great time. are you still in the Xbow ? curious what tune you are running and what ballast. Any chance of you sharing those numbers? Thank you in advance and hope you have a great weekend.
 
Konnichiwa
I hate this track!!!! You can't pick the right rhythm, every car or understeer or oversteer, even tho you have best setup installed.

So, I tried with the Bow, did 22.Xx I think, enought for me!!

Did I mention that I hate this stupid track?
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Come on, it's not that bad. :lol::lol:
 
SGETI
slotty, great time. are you still in the Xbow ? curious what tune you are running and what ballast. Any chance of you sharing those numbers? Thank you in advance and hope you have a great weekend.
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No problems...

X Bow Street
Aero upgrades in body shop (gives 200/300 downforce)
Chassis strengthening
No weight reduction, 125kg ballast @ pos 0
Computer
Racing exhaust
Manifold
Catalytic convertor
High RPM Turbo
Power limiter 95.4 (no oli change)
Should be 359bhp, 915kg , 550ppts
Ride 70 90
Spring 4.5 8.5
Bound 3 5
Rebound 2 4
ARB 3 6
Camber 0 0
Toe -0.10 +0.15
Racing brakes 5 4
Set max speed to min then other gears as follows
1st 3.889
2nd 2.934
3rd 2.405
5th 1.688
6th 1.439
Final 2.600
Diff 5 15 15

Ride height seems to work the right way round on this car at least as there's more understeer with higher front.

Easily capable of low 4's maye 3's in the right hands though only tried it with the wheel.

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Change at 7,000rpm to stay in the power band. Don't over drive the front end... if the front is gripping properly it will take loads of throttle on the exit, but if you carry too much speed in to the corners you oversteer on the way out. Do not try to drift or back it in to the corners.. takes an age to regain grip once the tyres are red.
 
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I saw the aero upgrade, but thought it looked ugly so decided not to add it. I didn't think about the downforce benefits. I may give it a try next week.
 
Other than the 1st chicane, Ascari is an incredible track in the right car. It has a wonderful combination of cambers, open and closing radius corners, technical sections, fast sections... and a great flow too. You really need a car with a lot of rotation here though, and the X-Bow works perfectly.

The ****ing irritating 1st chicane just stops it being up there alongside Spa and Sukua for me.... plus the 'Ring, but that's a different sort of track.
 
Ok here's the deal whit this track, I mean have you guys seen anything this beautiful, that seems like the most perfect corner ever made and it's a joy to even watch!! BUT NO, you :censored:IN shoot trough that like its a straight road, I mean there should be just a narrow tunnel or a bridge or some **** to make it interesting, but this is just a joke, just like the first chicane, I mean could someone please explain me WTF were those guys thinking of when they were making the track? I mean jeeez...

Seriously thought it's a great track and if I'm not wrong it was made just for track days and that really shows, I mean the way you can hit those corners when you get them right (especially in MR cars) it's just so beautiful!! I just can't get my head around of some of these corners...
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GTP_CargoRatt
No problem, you're more than welcome. 👍 Like I said, if there is anything else, just give me a shout and I'll see what I can do for you. Good luck. :cheers:
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Tune was perfect.
2:19.1 first lap.
Love the grip at mid corner and exit. Really suits the slow in, fast out.
 
Stotty
No problems...

X Bow Street
Aero upgrades in body shop (gives 200/300 downforce)
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Great tune, I could see my sef doing a high 5's lap if I just by string it together, car feels so easy to drive that ones I get it figured out properly I might be even faster!!
 

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