VCRC *Jaguar E-TYPE Coupe ‘61 @ Monte Carlo* **congrats to dsgerbc!!**

[V8-Johnboy]

Any pointers rules wise on the chicane after the tunnel? Think its Nouvelle I can hit high 157's running over the kurbs, clean laps are way off that so guess its a time saver Happy either way just want to know what the general consenses is.

 

[Gedi69]

Any pointers rules wise on the chicane after the tunnel? Think its Nouvelle I can hit high 157's running over the kurbs, clean laps are way off that so guess its a time saver Happy either way just want to know what the general consenses is.

Good point!
Just hope we have a lag/bug free night tonight with 16 drivers.

 

[Zorrin]

Chicane cutting is a no-no. We are after all following the GTP OLR, and hoping for a good clean race! It's 20 laps so plenty of time to battle for position no need to pull silly moves early and wreak havoc.

 

[Carbonox]

Chicane cutting is a no-no. We are after all following the GTP OLR, and hoping for a good clean race! It's 20 laps so plenty of time to battle for position no need to pull silly moves early and wreak havoc.

Hey bud, just wondering, how is your PSN name pronounced?

Oh and I'll be likely to spawn to this event depending on my other series. Today will be a bit busy again.

 

[Zorrin]

It's French and is translated as Say What. Pronounced Dee Kwah

Any Clone High fans?

 

[Gedi69]

So what is going to be done to sort these chicane cuts??
These 1.57-8's must be dodgy as I've done some pretty good clean fast laps and only got 2.00mins.

I'm a clean, fair driver as jack will tell you but I'm not going to race fair if no one else is.
I'd rather penaltys on so it picks up on the chicane.

If you can't beat em then join em!

 

[V8-Johnboy]

Does it even pick the chicane cut up? Feel bit guilty for bringing this up now.

 

[Gedi69]

Does it even pick the chicane cut up? Feel bit guilty for bringing this up now.

In toca 2 it did sort of

 

[Zorrin]

The onus is on all of us as individuals to respect the rules that the race is run to - in this case the GTP OLR, which clearly state shortcuts are not allowed.

Anyone guilty of flouting the rules will be subject to penalties at the discretion of the stewards.

Simply put, don't cut. If you feel someone has flouted the rules then please do PM a steward (list can be found in the OP) where it can be reviewed. Penalties will range from post race time penalties to outright disqualification and in extreme circumstances an outright ban from any future VCRC events.

I leave it to Watermelon as the race director to have the final say as to whether we shall run this as two wheels on track or four.

If we all make the effort to be clean and fair it'll be a hoot and anyone driving dirty or cheating will be caught and suitable punishment dispensed.

It's a 20 lap race, plenty of time to make a clean, fair pass without resorting to chicane cutting or dive bombing.

It is a tight track, so please ensure that you have your mini-map zoomed in as far as possible to aid spatial awareness.

If you can't see the car in your mirror it's likely to be alongside you.

 

[Gedi69]

I say 4 wheels on track as 2 wheels on track the chicane can still be cut.

 

[watermelon punch]

@ jbica - all clear. Make sure you have the FR to PSN: VCRC 👍
Turbogeit is unable to make the race today.

RE: RULES

THIS:

The onus is on all of us as individuals to respect the rules that the race is run to - in this case the GTP OLR, which clearly state shortcuts are not allowed.

Anyone guilty of flouting the rules will be subject to penalties at the discretion of the stewards.

Simply put, don't cut. If you feel someone has flouted the rules then please do PM a steward (list can be found in the OP) where it can be reviewed. Penalties will range from post race time penalties to outright disqualification and in extreme circumstances an outright ban from any future VCRC events.

These are the race stewards:
jackargent / jackargent
CC570 / CC570
Zorrin / DitQuois
Johnnypenso / Johnnypenso
SagarisGTB / sagarismic
watermelonpunch / wat3rm370n

If you have any concerns about any incidents or rule violations, please PM (private message here on GTPlanet) the race stewards at your earliest opportunity immediately following the race.

REGARDING THE CHICANE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL AFTER THE TUNNEL:
You are allowed ONLY to have wheels on the curb (kerb), not beyond the curb.

ie: You don't be going over that pavement inside the chicane. Make sense?

THERE WILL BE POST-RACE PENALTIES imposed for cutting line during the warm-up lap, cutting the chicane (wheels beyond the inside of the curbing), contact incidents where contact concessions are not made, or any kind of GTP OLR Rule flouting.

There's also a 120 second mandatory post-race badgering penalty, for excessive horn usage.

So don't harass anyone with excessive beeping!

Note: The in-game penalty system does not, I think penalize for cutting the chicane anyway.
Penalties are set to off to prevent "ghost passing" & people exploiting the penalty system.
The human eye is keen, and there will be 12 human eyes reviewing the replays after the race!!

Just a warning:

but I'm not going to race fair if no one else is

THAT is an attitude that is strictly prohibited in VCRC races.
If someone else is flouting the rules, you report them after the race and they will be imposed with post-race penalties, or in a bad case (clearly dirty driving), expulsion from the club.

RETALIATION or MONKEY-SEE-MONKEY-DO rule flouting WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

If someone is expelled from the club, if they want to participate in any future VCRC races (hosted by anyone), they will be required to write a 3 paragraph essay explaining why the GTP OLR Rules are important to the enjoyment of all in GTP OLR Rules races, and the stewards board will decide whether they think the essay was sincere & coherent enough to warrant giving someone another chance.

I hope this makes it clear how serious we are in the VCRC races to have clean, fair races following the GTP OLR Rules. Stewardship is seriously undertaken!

(And as always, thanks to the stewards for your participation in making our races good clean fun!)

 

[dsgerbc]

REGARDING THE CHICANE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL AFTER THE TUNNEL:
You are allowed ONLY to have wheels on the curb (kerb), not beyond the curb.

ie: You don't be going over that pavement inside the chicane. Make sense?

I'm confused. I didn't race with you guys too much, so are you using 2 wheels on the track = legal, or 4 wheels on the track=legal? Orange text makes it sound like it's 4 wheels. I don't care either way, it's just "4 wheels" will take a ton more time to check on the replays.

 

[watermelon punch]

If you put 4 wheels on the pavement inside the chicane you're not only cutting the chicane, you're doing yourself a disservice as that can't be fast.


Edit: Sorry, I misunderstood I think.

Your "inside" 2-wheels on the curbing are OKAY.
But you should not be having your outside wheels on the curbing and your inside wheels on the pavement inside the chicane.

In other words, if one wheel slips over onto the pavement inside the chicane, that may be understandable. But if you've got 2 wheels on the pavement inside the chicane, then because of the shape of the chicane, you would have 3 wheels off the track at some point during the maneuver.

You're supposed to go around the chicane, not over it.

And you should definitely not be trying to pass at the chicane by cutting it.

Indeed, nobody should be passing at the chicane at all unless the ahead car makes a clear and massive error taking them completely out of the line.

 

[Zorrin]

Basically you can USE the kerb, but not the tarmac inside it. You may place your wheels onto the rumble strip, but not beyond it.

If you are unsure, do not use the kerb. That way you cannot be cheating eh?

 

[dsgerbc]

If you put 4 wheels on the pavement inside the chicane you're not only cutting the chicane, you're doing yourself a disservice as that can't be fast.

I'm not talking about putting 4 wheels there. I'm asking to clarify the rule you use (which is not a part of the OLR).
Keeping two outside wheels on the curbs is the faster way through there. If one wheel misses and contacts the pavement inside the chicane it makes it 3 wheels outside the track, but it's still gonna be fast.
I just want to know before we race. I don't expect to be pushing boundaries since I'm gonna be using my H-shifter, but would like to know the rule anyway.

 

[dsgerbc]

Your "inside" 2-wheels on the curbing are OKAY.
But you should not be having your outside wheels on the curbing and your inside wheels on the pavement inside the chicane.

Ok. I don't know if you use this rule all the time, but for many people who participated in WRS or most online series/clubs this will be a new rule, so I'd put it in big red letters here, and announce it a few times before the race.

 

[watermelon punch]

Keeping two outside wheels on the curbs is the faster way through there.

You mean outside wheels on the curb, and 2 wheels on the pavement inside the chicane?

The shape of the chicane means that if you do that, at some point, you're going to have 3 wheels on that inside pavement.

WRS or most online series/clubs

Do you mean to tell me people actually just pretend the chicane's not there?

Gosh, and people say I'm lenient for allowing usage of the concrete on Deep Forest.

 

[dsgerbc]

The shape of the chicane means that if you do that, at some point, you're going to have 3 wheels on that inside pavement.

I haven't tried to see what it implies for this car. For many cars it's perfectly possible.

Do you mean to tell me people actually just pretend the chicane's not there?

It's a call people make setting up their rules. Either "curbs are part of the track + 2 wheels on track is legal" or "... + 4 wheels on track is legal". The former implies passing this chicane trying to keep two (outside) wheels on the track (=curb) and avoiding having 3 wheels on the pavement inside the curb. One can lookup videos of how WRS guys treat the chicane here.
Steady rules make people happier.

 

[watermelon punch]

I do consider the curbing = track, generally.
But the shape of that chicane... This car is rather long snooted.
IMHO, there's not going to be a way you can use that inside the chicane pavement without cutting the chicane.
And, IMHO, if you're not going around the chicane, you're cutting it.

Okay, I just watched this video:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5039772#post5039772
WRS 6
Car: Citroen C4 WRC '08
Tyres: Racing Soft
Circuit: Cote d'Azur

Believe me, with this Jaguar with its long snoot, you can't do that.
It wouldn't even be fast if you tried.
Unless of course you careened dashing across cutting the entire chicane.
(Edit: as in a drift illegal pass maneuver or something.)

That Citroen only had one wheel at a time on the pavement inside a tiny bit of the chicane.
If you take that line in the Jaguar, you're going to go straight headlong into the barrier I think.

 

[V8-Johnboy]

Feeling really guilty for bringing it up now!

 

[watermelon punch]

Feeling really guilty for bringing it up now!

Oh don't be. Obviously there's some confusion, and best we clear it up so that everyone's on the same page!!

I think the problem comes in here because this is a peculiar chicane, and particularly with a car like this one (Jag E-Type).

Ordinarily I would say that 2 wheels in the grass, as long as 2 wheels are on the track &/or curb, would be okay.
But this is a different kind of situation.

And I can see now people are talking about the lines that they take in other cars.

Comparing the line a Citroen rally car would take with a Jaguar E-Type is well, not really comparable at all.

Maybe I'm wrong, but trying that Citroen Rally Car line in the Jaguar E-Type would not work. I couldn't get out of the chicane at a decent exit speed if I pointed the Jag's snoot the way the Citroen is pointed in that video.

But I'm fully aware that there's always someone who comes up with some kind of crazy line through a track that makes everyone else crazy.

So if you have it in your mind that you've "come up with a secret weapon faster line" for that chicane...
ASSUME IT'S CUTTING.

 

[dsgerbc]

I do consider the curbing = track, generally.

That's in OLR (if the curb is red/white).

Believe me, with this Jaguar with its long snoot, you can't do that.
It wouldn't even be fast if you tried.

That's the line I was doing while using paddle-shifters. I can get to mid-56s with that WRS line.

And, IMHO, if you're not going around the chicane, you're cutting it.

Like I said - the sooner you say in big red letters w/o "IMHO" something like "rule for today: keep 4 wheels on the track/curb at the chicane or else" - the less reviewing you're gonna have to do

 

[V8-Johnboy]

I agree punch i'll be honest there probably needs to be a little give and take its tricky to nail the chicane with this car 100%, most practice laps i was ok but will admit missing the braking point and pinching some kurb now and then.

 

[watermelon punch]

jackargent & Zorrin are the lead stewards for this race, so that's who's going to be making the decisions in review.

Basically you can USE the kerb, but not the tarmac inside it. You may place your wheels onto the rumble strip, but not beyond it.

If you are unsure, do not use the kerb. That way you cannot be cheating eh?

I don't think he could be any clearer than that.

If you think you've found some secret weapon line through that chicane, chances are, you're cutting it.

It's a chicane. They call it a chicane for a reason, you're supposed to go around it. If you were supposed to go over it, it wouldn't be called a chicane, it would be called a straight.

And for sure:

PASSING USING GOING OVER THE CHICANE
IS ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN

The ONLY acceptable reason for going over the chicane is if it's the only way to avoid contact crashing into a race incident crash already in progress at the chicane.

In other words if you arrive at the chicane and there's 3 cars bunched up already in a crash in progress, and your only means of avoiding getting involved is to go over the chicane. You MAY be spared a post-race penalty in that situation - unless it's determined you could've easily braked in time to avoid getting involved in the crash.

 

[Gedi69]

@ jbica - all clear. Make sure you have the FR to PSN: VCRC 👍
Turbogeit is unable to make the race today.

RE: RULES

THIS:

These are the race stewards:
jackargent / jackargent
CC570 / CC570
Zorrin / DitQuois
Johnnypenso / Johnnypenso
SagarisGTB / sagarismic
watermelonpunch / wat3rm370n

If you have any concerns about any incidents or rule violations, please PM (private message here on GTPlanet) the race stewards at your earliest opportunity immediately following the race.

REGARDING THE CHICANE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL AFTER THE TUNNEL:
You are allowed ONLY to have wheels on the curb (kerb), not beyond the curb.

ie: You don't be going over that pavement inside the chicane. Make sense?

THERE WILL BE POST-RACE PENALTIES imposed for cutting line during the warm-up lap, cutting the chicane (wheels beyond the inside of the curbing), contact incidents where contact concessions are not made, or any kind of GTP OLR Rule flouting.

There's also a 120 second mandatory post-race badgering penalty, for excessive horn usage.

So don't harass anyone with excessive beeping!

Note: The in-game penalty system does not, I think penalize for cutting the chicane anyway.
Penalties are set to off to prevent "ghost passing" & people exploiting the penalty system.
The human eye is keen, and there will be 12 human eyes reviewing the replays after the race!!

Just a warning:

THAT is an attitude that is strictly prohibited in VCRC races.
If someone else is flouting the rules, you report them after the race and they will be imposed with post-race penalties, or in a bad case (clearly dirty driving), expulsion from the club.

RETALIATION or MONKEY-SEE-MONKEY-DO rule flouting WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

If someone is expelled from the club, if they want to participate in any future VCRC races (hosted by anyone), they will be required to write a 3 paragraph essay explaining why the GTP OLR Rules are important to the enjoyment of all in GTP OLR Rules races, and the stewards board will decide whether they think the essay was sincere & coherent enough to warrant giving someone another chance.

I hope this makes it clear how serious we are in the VCRC races to have clean, fair races following the GTP OLR Rules. Stewardship is seriously undertaken!

(And as always, thanks to the stewards for your participation in making our races good clean fun!)

Cool this is the answer I was looking for.

 

[V8-Johnboy]

Probably get DC'd anyway.

 

[watermelon punch]

Cool this is the answer I was looking for.

Cool. 👍

I think I'm going to add this under GTP OLR Rules in all the VCRC race threads:

If someone else is flouting the rules, you report them after the race and they will be imposed with post-race penalties, or in a bad case (clearly dirty driving), expulsion from the club.
RETALIATION or MONKEY-SEE-MONKEY-DO rule flouting WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

Because I think that's what most people don't like.
It's a big pet peeve of mine when I confront someone about a dirty move or a rule violation, and their excuse is, "3 laps before that X driver cut me off"... as if "payback" is a legitimate excuse for violating the rules. It's not!!!
This isn't Burnout. It's a vintage club racing in gt5.

 

[V8-Johnboy]

Couple of things what time will the lounge be open? And ive sent an FR to VCRC still pending.

 

[SagarisGTB]

I've been practicing using the standard OLR, two-wheels on the curb and two-wheels off track. It's the fast way that's legal in most series.

The fact that the rules are being changed (or simply clarified) to a non-standard practice for that particular corner this late before the race is definitely inconvenient.

 

[dsgerbc]

standard OLR, two-wheels on the curb and two-wheels off track.

I agree that it's standard, but it's not in OLR