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named after a biscuit that comes in an orange packet.I've never heard it been used in any drug related manner before, perhaps i'm just not 'down' with the latest street patois?
Racism - Ignored?
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named after a biscuit that comes in an orange packet.I've never heard it been used in any drug related manner before, perhaps i'm just not 'down' with the latest street patois?
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Jumping to conclusions is your specialty, remember? Any leap of logic I've offered here is simply a parody of yours. You're either too dense to grasp it or too busy backpedaling to notice.
You conformed to speak a common language as other English speakers in this forum and all it's spelling, usage and grammatical rules. Is that akin to ignorance?
You compromised to use a computer host on a vast global network that has very specific transmission and control protocols. Is that akin ignorance?
You submitted to the AUP when you signed up here at GTP. Is that akin ignorance?
You conform, compromise and submit to hundreds if, not thousands of little things every single day, just to make your way through civilized society. Getting a job is no different. And unless you plan on living under a rock eating grubs from the ground for the rest of your life, you will need to conform to some extent sometime.
You ponder that. Take your time.
..oh and incidentally, your "point" was Cosby's advice for black Americans and how it parallels what they taught in Germany. In 1939. Remember?
It was an odious comparison then. But it is really, truly stupid sounding now, especially since you've just spent the last two pages alternatively defending it and then pretending it never happened once you realised just how worthless a statement it was.You can always tell when someone feels inadequate and insecure. Keep it up, son. Every sad little pot shot you make makes you look more scared and unsure of yourself.
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///M-Spec..oh and incidentally, your "point" was Cosby's advice for black Americans and how it parallels what they taught in Germany. In 1939. Remember?
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Ermmmmmmmmmm............................... no.
I've spent two pages trying to differentiate between what I actually said and the assumptions that have been made by others in response.
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Let me lay the statements that started this out for you.JacktheHatErmmmmmmmmmm............................... no.
I've spent two pages trying to differentiate between what I actually said and the assumptions that have been made by others in response.
Looks like an easy misunderstanding to me, especially since it seems you are comparing what Bill Cosby and those like him say to what slave traders and Nazis were saying.JacktheHat
If that was not your intention then yes the entire board misunderstood you, but for good reason.
If that was not, then I will ask you again, how is taking a stand for yourself and getting a job and supporting your own family and learning how to participate in a non-genocidal/slave based society a bad thing? That is what Bill Cosby is saying to do.
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JacktheHatErmmmmmmmmmm............................... no.
I've spent two pages trying to differentiate between what I actually said and the assumptions that have been made by others in response.
Ok, just for the record and nobody can possibly be confused. How is this:
Following FoolKiller's post of this:
Not comparing Bill Cosby's attitude to Nazi ideas?
EDIT: Sorry FoolKiller, looks like I'm not quite as quick on the quotes as you.
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Beat you to it.Swift
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I'm sorry, I didn't realise we were working on the assumption that everybody before the abolition of slavery was a slave trader and that everybody in pre-1939 Germany was a Nazi...
Duh, silly me
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JacktheHatI'm sorry, I didn't realise we were working on the assumption that everybody before the abolition of slavery was a slave trader and that everybody in pre-1939 Germany was a Nazi...
Duh, silly me
If that's the case then what is the point of this statement?
Seriously. If you're NOT refering to the slave traders and Nazi's then that statement has no value as you didn't specify that you cited the people AGAINST these particular ideals.
So what were you trying to say?
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Exactly what I said.
I was talking about normal people who didn't like the situation they were in but compromised and conformed to avoid confrontation. These were not the people who brought an end to slavery or who highlighted the crimes being committed against Jews.
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You completely ignored my question.JacktheHatI'm sorry, I didn't realise we were working on the assumption that everybody before the abolition of slavery was a slave trader and that everybody in pre-1939 Germany was a Nazi...
Duh, silly me
What did that have to do with Bill Cosby?JacktheHat
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FoolKiller
No, I cleared up your misconception. Which makes your question invalid.
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Is American society perfect?
Is American society a multi-cultural utopia?
So why accept it?
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Are you serious? You expected people to get that from this:
Seriously?
Yeah, I'm going with Zardoz on this one. It's a huge misdirection play and I'm very much done with this. Wity did exactly the same thing, then went back and said, "Well I mean this...." And all this drama ensued.
I suggest EVERYONE not worry about Jack's responses in the particular thread as he is obviously not going to talk straight.
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Actually, yes.
Swift
Well I'm sorry if I don't agree with your views Swift. Take Bill's advice and ignore the problem...
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Then they should quit whining also. They have two choices to improve their lives: join the society they are in or find another one they do like. Standing around whining and pointing fingers has done nothing to help them.JacktheHat
I will also ask again: How is taking a stand for yourself and getting a job and supporting your own family and learning how to participate in a non-genocidal/non-slave based society a bad thing?
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But I'm bored at work.Swift
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This is a funny thing to say. Let's take a look at it.
"Is American society perfect?"
Well no obviously not. If you take any national society as a whole it cannot be perfect. Just like if you take any individual person as a whole they cannot be perfect. But we're not talking about American society as a whole are we? We're talking about the small portion of American society that Bill Cosby's show embraced. So why are we talking about American society as a whole? Because it makes for an easier argument for Jack the Hat.
Since we're not talking about accepting American society as a whole, I'm just going to mark Jack's post as completely beside the point.
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There's nothing wrong with supporting your family. I never said that there was.
Just because a society is non-genocidal/slave based doesn't mean that it's perfect.
It doesn't mean that things don't need to change and it doesn't mean that you should be afraid of speaking up for yourself or what you believe in.
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Again, way off topic. Who is talking about not speaking up for yourself or what you believe in??? Bill Cosby certainly wasn't. So why are we talking about this at all? Because it makes JacktheHat look like he's actually carrying on his side of the argument.
Beside the point.
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Just so you know. This is what Bill Cosby said, believes and practices.
"They are buying things for kids--$500 sneakers for what? And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics."
And this
Those of you going to grad school, listen to me carefully I know you have an idea of how you want to make a change in the world. That is not what grad school is for. Do what they tell you to do and then when you graduate, do what you want to do. That is what grad school is for. If you're gonna argue with the professor you're going to not get a good grade, you're not going to graduate in grad school. Okay? So take your young idea, study what they want you to study, kick tail and then when you get your turn to write your dissertation then you tell it the way it ought to be told.
It is not for you to stand up and argue You get an A on all the tests and then, make your move.
I want to know how that's conformity. I'm just wondering because everything he said is very true. Especially about college. So I would appreciate it if you would let me know how he's telling young people to sit back and take it just to fit in. Thanks.
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JacktheHatErmmmmmmmmmm............................... no.
I've spent two pages trying to differentiate between what I actually said and the assumptions that have been made by others in response.
You've spent two pages running around in circles, bud. Don't think everyone doesn't see the obvious.Zardoz
Meh. That would imply a level of premeditation and planning that this poster clearly lacks.
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danoff
We are discussing something Bill Cosby said and why it either makes him a good or bad role-model.
This would be relevant to American society as a whole.
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So don't participate and then complain about a lack of money is the answer here? If I disagree that they should just be handed money/scholarships because of their skin color then who is right and who is wrong? I don't know, but I didn't see an affirmative action based scholarship and say, "screw it, I am not going to college because I disagree." I still went, I still got a job, and I still am enjoying my life without trying to blame someone else for my problems.JacktheHat
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Meh. That would imply a level of premeditation and planning that this poster clearly lacks.
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Believe what you like.
Take your tablets, don't take your tablets.
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Yes, it is relevant to American society as a whole, but it does not mean that we're discussing American society as a whole. We are, in fact, NOT discussing American society. We're discussing Bill Cosby's message and whether it makes him a good or bad role-model.
Don't confuse relevance with the subject .
So far you're 4 for 4. Four posts in a row that contributed zero to the conversation.
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I'm glad some random internet nobody gave me permission to beleive what I like. Thanks. I'll keep that in mind.
JacktheHat
Oh, I prefer crackers.
But that's what they said in the Soviet Union in the '30s. And China in the '60s. And Cambodia in the '80s. And Rwanda in the '90s.
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My point about whether or not American society is valid.
It may seem a rather obvious statement but apparently it isn't.
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Thread topic: Racism, is it still in American and how apparent is it?
Thread topic is not: Validity of American society. As that would include too many aspects for one thread.
So, anytime you want to get back on topic about racism you feel free, OK?
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That would be for the "America" thread. Here we're talking about racism. Spefically Bill Cosby's message. If you want to have a discussion about Bill Cosby's message, fine. If you want to talk about American society as a whole, that's fine too - but take it to the appropriate thread.
Still. Even if that is your point, the misdirection of calling Bill Cosby's message into question by claiming that American society is not perfect is completely meaningless. Those two things don't link up.
(Edit: Swift kinda beat me to it)
