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Who was discussing the validity of American society? I used it to illustrate a point.
It was a rhetorical question.
Racism - Ignored?
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Who was discussing the validity of American society? I used it to illustrate a point.
It was a rhetorical question.
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Actually you didn't use it to illustrate a point. You tried (unsuccessfully) to use it to MAKE a point. You attempted a misdirection about Bill Cosby's message by claiming that since American society was not perfect, neither was what Bill Cosby was advocating.
That would be you not illustrating, but rather, MAKING you point by questioning the validity of American society... and it doesn't belong.
Let me make this clear.
The perfection or imperfection does not necessarily reflect on Bill Cosby and what he advocates.
So let's move on. If you wish to discuss American society, we have a thread for that. If you wish to discuss Cosby, try to keep the scope limited to that rather than falling back on cheap argument tactics.
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Was or was not Bill Cosby refering to American society?
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Appears to be a habit.Swift
Maybe you missed Swifts posting of his comments. It is post 201, I believe.JacktheHat
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If you read it all, you would see that I answered the question myself. It was rhetorical.
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JacktheHat
Respond to this please:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1902762&postcount=201
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Of course, disagreeing with you/wasting your time...
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I have never seen someone so transparently and completely wrong clinging so desperately to an illogical method and conclusion that has been buried so far out of sight by now that even he doesn't know where it is.JacktheHat
You are a troll that doesn't swear, and nothing more.
Out of curiousity, would you consider Malcolm X as a good role model for black Americans? Yes or no.
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Why is it just because none else but black people can win anything?
At the MTV video music awards black people hardly won anyhting even though rnb and hip hop sells more records than all other genres combined and people such as 50 cent havent won anyhting (love him or hate him but he is the highest selling artist in recent times and no one has come close to him in recent years and even though hes so popular the man cant win anyhting).
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Look guys the bill cosby show was and is good for black people as it gives younfg men something to aspire to other than rappers. It showed how respected bill cosby was as a doctor especially a black doctor. Along with shows uch as my wife and kids these all set good examples and unlike the media likes to portray every black man would rather live a average family life with his kid have a house and car than running around with guns and selling drugs.
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Not to be argumentative about the facts but....Young_Warrior
Top record sales by genre through 2003 according to the Recording Industry Association of America.
Also awards are given for BEST not MOST POPULAR. Award shows are not popularity contests (completely). This is why they have given them their own category. If you want good music with a high black audience then I recommend jazz or blues. Rock sales will always be higher because The Beatles and Elvis have fans of all generations. In fact, each of them have sold over a billion albums total.
The fact that there are stations dedicated to only awarding black artists is a testament to the fact that they either can only win without competing against other artist genres or they think they are too good for other genres.
One other thing, awards have nothing to do with race. Hootie and the Blowfish won a fair share of well deserved awards during the peak of their careers. Rap and R&B don't because they are limited in scope and they cannot span a generation gap. The rap of the 80s means nothing today while the rock of the 60s still speaks to teenagers today. It is about talent and not race.
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Yes but who decides that they win and obvioudsly if 20 million people brought get ich or die trying then surely a hell of alot of people must like his music.
One thing I would like to say about your link is that its only counting sales in america and also the people who compile these lists are also confussed as they mix up rnb pop and rap. Hell user is not a op artist yet they still put him in the pop section.
I suppose its also with rock how older people listen to it they will buy it in stores wilst all us teenagers will just download it. I absoloutely love 112 r.kelly destiny childs and especially 50 cent but I haven brought one of their records since Ive gotten broadband.
One thing I would like to say about your link is that its only counting sales in america and also the people who compile these lists are also confussed as they mix up rnb pop and rap. Hell user is not a op artist yet they still put him in the pop section.
I suppose its also with rock how older people listen to it they will buy it in stores wilst all us teenagers will just download it. I absoloutely love 112 r.kelly destiny childs and especially 50 cent but I haven brought one of their records since Ive gotten broadband.
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They rarely win the People's Choice Award. Other awards are voted on by whomever is giving the award away, usually music experts and not fanboys.Young_Warrior
You are right it is only in America, but artists are organized into categories based on their label, not the opiinons of the website. These statistics are compiled by the recording industry, not a website. So where they are counted for their sales is determined by the recording industry.
Read the fine print: "1. Includes CDs, cassettes, DVDs, and all other forms of recordings."
And if that is not enough then try Top 10 Music Downloads of 2004, according to Nielsen Media Research.
Once again, this is probably just America, but so are all the awards you mentioned.
EDIT: As a side note, I download all my music too, legally, but never listen to rap/hip hop. I do counter balance your downlaoding. Also, my dad (55 yrs old) downloads all his too.
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I think music sales charts are rather misleading as the people who download legally and which is inturn then recorded for statistics are manialy middle class and working class white people.
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Whatever the point is it isn't that they don't win because they are black. It is because it isn't as well structured and formed and can't span generations. I don't hear anyone listening to The Fresh Prince and DJ Jazzy Jeff but I do hear people still listening to Van Halen. The music I lstened to 12 years ago in middle school is still played on new rock stations today but I don't hear rap that old on the new rap/hip hop stations.Young_Warrior
Music awards has nothing to do with racism, if it did Ray Charles would not have been given any of his 12 Grammy Awards. If anyone is unfairly keeping a rap/hip hop artist from getting any awards it is because they are trying to keep the gangsta image from becoming anymore popular and glorified.
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The music today is well structured and formed. People still listen to tupac and biggie and 50 will be so aswell along with dr.dre. Its just that rap is fairly new and when it first started in the 80's it didnt get any good or real popular till the mid 90's. Remember how cheesy hip hop videos were in 1998 and how low budget compared to now. They sure have come a long way. And before rap its was blues jazz and soul and I sure listen to soul music along with jazz.
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Well, whatever hip hop station my wife listens to does not play Tupac or Biggie. Others may, and I may be wrong here.Young_Warrior
We are not here to compare musical genres, I was trying to explain why they don't win awards. Do you honestly believe the awards are given out based on race?
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I think anytime you put "black", "hispanic", or any other ethnic term infront of an award it automatically cause segragation. That's my opinion though.
I also think having a "Black" national anthem is ludicrous. There was a time for it, but it's gone now.
I also think having a "Black" national anthem is ludicrous. There was a time for it, but it's gone now.
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No not at all I just think that they should have made it a bit more even in the way they gave out the awards.
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Exactly. If BET felt that the hip hop and R&B artists could be better than any other artists they would allow all musical forms and any race. Any Ray Charles or Quincy Jones type musicians could easily win awards.Swift
So more affirmative action in the awards?Young_Warrior
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1. But thats like saying why only have german cars in the DTM. The BET awars are just about a certain form of music to give more artists of that genre a chance to win and to celebrate the music.
2. No not affirmative action but prizes which represents their sales figures.
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Black Entertainment Television.
United Negro College Fund.
Then there's something about a black only awards show.
Is it just me, or would African Americans freak out if whites had a:
White Entertainment Televison
United Whites College Fund.
Then an all white awards ceremony show.
The most racist people overall, in my opinion, are the minorities themselves. Why is it okay to have a an all black television channel and an all black awards ceremony, but if whites tried to do it blacks would say it's racist. I don't get it.
United Negro College Fund.
Then there's something about a black only awards show.
Is it just me, or would African Americans freak out if whites had a:
White Entertainment Televison
United Whites College Fund.
Then an all white awards ceremony show.
The most racist people overall, in my opinion, are the minorities themselves. Why is it okay to have a an all black television channel and an all black awards ceremony, but if whites tried to do it blacks would say it's racist. I don't get it.
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Ok, I see the BET. But i'm not sure about the United Negro College fund. If it's private(and I think it is) then who are we to say can and can't get that money? But if it's government supported, then that's bad.
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How about we take this longwinded fanboy support for rap to the Music board? In fact, there's already a thread for it there.Young_Warrior
Lets get back to the topic of racism. Your initial post was near the topic but since then it's gone way off.
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Man why do you guys whine so much. Lets face it it in the modern world in a modern country if your white your better off. As a white person you can go to the carribean and any european country and you wont encounter any rascists remarks but if a black person was to go to europe they probably would ecounter looks and stares at best and physical violence at worst.
BET is not rascist. Did the makers think mmmm lets make a rascist music award show and call it BET. Did you guys know that not untill around Micheal Jackson got big MTV was reluctand in playing black music and therefore thats how shows such as BET appeared and have continued until today. 90% of the people you see on TV are white is that rascist. Should I turn off my TV because when there is a black person on tv or a film he or she is either poor a gangster, pimp, hoe, comedian clown or dies before the white people.
Stupid rascist TV.
White people have shows that completly revovle around white people but the only difference is that they dont need to put in white at the beggining of the name as everyone already automatically knows its mainly going to be around white people.
Im sure if you go to africa there are shows called european or american so and so except that with blck people they can come from where ever and black people from the caribean and africa are the same yet still very different so they just put in black to save the hassle of putting african and carribean so and so.
BET is not rascist. Did the makers think mmmm lets make a rascist music award show and call it BET. Did you guys know that not untill around Micheal Jackson got big MTV was reluctand in playing black music and therefore thats how shows such as BET appeared and have continued until today. 90% of the people you see on TV are white is that rascist. Should I turn off my TV because when there is a black person on tv or a film he or she is either poor a gangster, pimp, hoe, comedian clown or dies before the white people.
Stupid rascist TV.
White people have shows that completly revovle around white people but the only difference is that they dont need to put in white at the beggining of the name as everyone already automatically knows its mainly going to be around white people.
Im sure if you go to africa there are shows called european or american so and so except that with blck people they can come from where ever and black people from the caribean and africa are the same yet still very different so they just put in black to save the hassle of putting african and carribean so and so.
