Racism - Ignored?

[Famine]

London.

I worked there for two years. Didn't hear it used in that context once.

 

[JacktheHat]

Bill Cosby is great, you are not, just go away with the Nazi Germany crap. How did you possibly realize "OH my God, he said that Bill Cosby wants everyone to 'fit' into society! Well what about when people wanted you to fit in and DIE because you weren't born of blonde hair and blue eyes?!"

Hello? Anyone in?

 

[JacktheHat]

I worked there for two years. Didn't hear it used in that context once.

Well I live in London, and it is used in that context on a daily basis.

 

[JacktheHat]

Not in relation to... what? Look those guys donated an increadible amount of money to charities. Enough to fully fund several charities for years and touch the lives of 10's if not 100's of thousands of people. That's not to mention the fact that they push the economy forward, fund innovation, and provide a business role model for countless others.

Any one of those guys has helped way more people than Mother Theresa.

They may have helped 'way more' people, but Mother Theresa gave a lot more back to society.

 

[///M-Spec]

Okay, breaking it down into easy to swallow parts - just for you...

Bill Cosby is saying you need to fit in society, in other words 'conform'.

Just as in the examples I was stating.

As predicatable as the tides....

So when Bill Cosby says black people should conform to society, what he really means is if they don't, they should all be round up and shot... Because after all, when you suggest people should conform, you should automatically go to the greatest extreme possible in order to make your point... just like in 1939.

Oooooh kay, sparky. Let's keep going with these great leaps of logic. So when you say :

Getting rich may be an aspiration for most people but that's not how you improve society.

I guess what you really mean is that you think everyone should poor, except for you of course. After all you're so much damn smarter than the rest of us, you should live in a palace like a dictator when we live in squalor.

Then you can gas or shoot us when we piss you off and walk around saying "do you have ANY idea how ******* busy I am??" or sing "I'm so ronery" late at night.

That's what you're really, really saying, aren't you?

M

 

[JacktheHat]

As predicatable as the tides....

So when Bill Cosby says black people should conform to society, what he really means is if they don't, they should all be round up and shot... Because after all, you say suggest people should conform, you should automatically go to the greatest extreme possible in order to make you point... just like in 1939.

Oooooh kay, sparky. Let's keep going with these great leaps of logic. So when you say :

When did I say that?

Oh, I didn't.

I guess what you really mean is that you think everyone should poor, except for you of course. After all you're so much damn smarter than the rest of us, you should live in a palace like a dictator when we live in squalor.

Then you can gas or shoot us when we piss you off and walk around saying "do you have ANY idea how ******* busy I am??" or sing "I'm so ronery" late at night.

That's what you're really, really saying, aren't you?

M

When did I say, or even allude, to any of this?

 

[FoolKiller]

If you really want to do something good for your, and everybody elses, children then what's wrong with breaking down barriers and prejudices?

So how did Bill Cosby not break down barriers and prejudices? He played the firts black character that was not stereotyped or living in a poor neighborhood. People, like my father, who were racist would sit down and watch him and enjoy his show. Watching the show people forgot that it was an all black family. I credit his show for my view of people as people and not races. I grew up watching the first show where black people were just like white people and that has been my mindset.


And what barriers or prejudices have kept minorities from going to school and getting good jobs and being able to support a family in the last decade? There are some here and there but not enough to prevent them from succeeding.

 

[Famine]

Well I live in London, and it is used in that context on a daily basis.

I'll take your word for it. Or rather I won't. Cambridge Dictionaries Online, however, returns only definitions for a foodstuff, a device and a good thing. The Urban Dictionary seems to hone in only on the "white guy" definition.

 

[Danoff]

They may have helped 'way more' people, but Mother Theresa gave a lot more back to society.

Elaborate.

 

[JacktheHat]

I credit his show for my view of people as people and not races. I grew up watching the first show where black people were just like white people and that has been my mindset.

What is wrong with there being different cultures? What is wrong with diversity?


And by the way, there is only one race - the human race.

 

[///M-Spec]

When did I say, or even allude, to any of this?

And when did Bill Cosby say or even allude to being a member of the Nazi regime?

Please, sputter some more. Or rather, save what remaining dignity you might have and just admit your comparing Bill Cosby's advice for black Americans to Hitler's Germany is over the top and in completely bad taste.


M

 

[JacktheHat]

I'll take your word for it. Or rather I won't. Cambridge Dictionaries Online, however, returns only definitions for a foodstuff, a device and a good thing. The Urban Dictionary seems to hone in only on the "white guy" definition.

That's fine Famine, and I'll be sure to correct everybody I hear using the term incorrectly and refer them to the Urban Dictionary.

What should I call the things with the crappy toys and jokes I have with my Christmas dinner then?

 

[Danoff]

What is wrong with there being different cultures? What is wrong with diversity?


And by the way, there is only one race - the human race.

There's nothing wrong with diversity. But there is something wrong with having preconceived notions about people of a certain color of skin. Bill Cosby's show was all about getting rid of those preconceived notions... he was all about showing people that if you could just ignore skin color - you'd see that we're all members of the human race.

 

[FoolKiller]

What is wrong with there being different cultures? What is wrong with diversity?

There is nothing wrong with different cultures and diversity but plenty of people have been successful in society and retained their since of culture and diversity. The Cosby Show also showed them with their sense of culture and diversity by the style of dress and taste in music. It never hid that they were a black family, but it did make you see them as just an American family.

And by the way, there is only one race - the human race.

What does this have to do with Bill Cosby? I did say he helped me to see people as people and not races, did I not?

 

[///M-Spec]

There's nothing wrong with diversity. But there is something wrong with having preconceived notions about people of a certain color of skin. Bill Cosby's show was all about getting rid of those preconceived notions... he was all about showing people that if you could just ignore skin color - you'd see that we're all members of the human race.

No he's not. He is all about getting black people to do the goose step and invade Poland. I CAN SEE PAST YOUR LIES!!!!11!!!


M

 

[JacktheHat]

And when did Bill Cosby say or even allude to being a member of the Nazi regime?

Please, sputter some more. Or rather, save what remaining dignity you might have and just admit your comparing Bill Cosby's advice for black Americans to Hitler's Germany is over the top and in completely bad taste.


M

Who said he did?

I said that Bill cosby is not a positive role-model, I said that telling people to conform to society to 'fit-in' was not a good thing.

When talking about pre-1939 Germany I was referring to the people living their who were unhappy with the situation.

 

[Famine]

That's fine Famine, and I'll be sure to correct everybody I hear using the term incorrectly and refer them to the Urban Dictionary.

What should I call the things with the crappy toys and jokes I have with my Christmas dinner then?

I'll take your word for it. Or rather I won't. Cambridge Dictionaries Online, however, returns only definitions for a foodstuff, a device and a good thing. The Urban Dictionary seems to hone in only on the "white guy" definition.

To expand:

"Definition
cracker (DEVICE) UK [Show phonetics]
a paper tube with small toys, small pieces of sweet food, etc. inside, which is covered with bright paper and makes a short sharp sound when both ends are pulled"

 

[Swift]

Who said he did?

I said that Bill cosby is not a positive role-model, I said that telling people to conform to society to 'fit-in' was not a good thing.

He's telling people if you want to change the system you have to be smart enough to beat the system. Nobody is going to listen to a 3rd generation welfare mother or father. What he's saying is you can't change the system spending your welfare check on 100$ sneakers.

He didn't say "Be like the white society" he said, "Be as SMART as white society" Huge difference.

What are you going on about, Swift?

If you really want to do something good for your, and everybody elses, children then what's wrong with breaking down barriers and prejudices?

Nothing, but you can't be a gangsta rapper looking individual and expect to break down barriers. It takes an intelliegent educated person to do things like that. Martin Luther King Jr was educated, Malcom X was educated and I'll bet that you think they broke down barriers and prejudices.

 

[Duke]

They may have helped 'way more' people, but Mother Theresa gave a lot more back to society.

Wow. You are so totally, completely, and utterly wrong that it's very hard not to point and laugh.

 

[///M-Spec]

Who said he did?

You did. Don't you read what you write?

I'm sure people said similar things before the abolishment of slavery, they certainly did in pre-1939 Germany...

If you want to take the flying leap of logic that Cosby's philosophy has something ---ANYTHING-- in common with the Third Reich's, by making the comment you did, it is only fair that you be culpable for comparing him to a Nazi.

I said that Bill cosby is not a positive role-model, I said that telling people to conform to society to 'fit-in' was not a good thing.

I think you are deeply confused about what you're saying. But whatever.

When talking about pre-1939 Germany I was referring to the people living their who were unhappy with the situation.

Right. Because Hitler's advice to Germans to blame the rest of Europe for their woes, adopt national socialism, eliminate social undesirables and rule Europe under a totalitarian regime...

...is DIRECTLY comparable to Cosby's advice to NOT blame anyone, become educated, and get a job.

That is unless you're trying to draw an even more inexplicably absurd parallel between blacks in America, 2005 with Jews in Germany, 1939? Wow. Does "get a job" translate to "take a shower" in the UK?

Please, I'm waiting for you lay another golden nugget of wisdom on us. What's next, is Dr. King a secret child molester? All that talk about "loving his black brothers and sisters" must have your mind just reeling with implications.


M

 

[ledhed]

So who won the race ?

 

[the_undrtaker89]

I think sexism can be worse than racism at times. But I guess that can go for any "ism's" or prejudices. I wonder if after like 20 years racism will lower, because different cultures will be more accepted....

 

[ledhed]

pudding is racist so I wont eat it anymore . Jello pudding is the worst offender it conforms to the mold . Plus only the white pudding taste good . Its a conspiracy by the jello hitler Cosby to make only white pudding be good pudding . And it also trys to teach that good jello conforms to the mold . This is not good for society. The evil Cosby should be ashamed of himself for pointing out that taking responsibility for ones actions instead of blaming others is a good thing . Its not ! Its jello ! WHITE jello and pudding are GOOD . Ummm is there white jello ? Ummmm never friggin mind .

Seig Smile !!! All hail our fuhrer evil Cos ! Gimme pudding pie !

 

[Zardoz]

They may have helped 'way more' people, but Mother Theresa gave a lot more back to society.

No, she didn't:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12495017&method=full&siteid=50143

She built a lot of convents, though.

Shortly after she died, I read a startling feature story on her that concentrated on her personality and motivation, and her attitudes toward the poor. Turns out she was definitely not an advocate of the "give a hungry man a fish and you feed him for a day, but teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime" school of relieving poverty. She believed that it was the duty of the rich to care for the poor, period. Hard as it may seem to believe, she felt there was something unethical about expecting the poor and destitute to play a part in pulling themselves out of their misery. The poor are there to be supported by those who can take care of them, in her opinion.

The author cited numerous letters she had written that revealed something else: Her lifelong terror at the thought of not going to heaven. Seems her main motivation for helping the poor was piling up credits for The Great Beyond, as much as anything else.

Surprised? Why? Haven't we all learned that saints, role-models, and heroes always turn out to be just plain folks in the end, with all the weaknesses, shortcomings, and inadequacies we have?

Mother Theresa did a lot of good things for a lot of wretchedly miserable people. The truth is, though, she could've done more with a better philosophy of how to do it.

 

[Swift]

No, she didn't:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12495017&method=full&siteid=50143

She built a lot of convents, though.

Shortly after she died, I read a startling feature story on her that concentrated on her personality and motivation, and her attitudes toward the poor. Turns out she was definitely not an advocate of the "give a hungry man a fish and you feed him for a day, but teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime" school of relieving poverty. She believed that it was the duty of the rich to care for the poor, period. Hard as it may seem to believe, she felt there was something unethical about expecting the poor and destitute to play a part in pulling themselves out of their misery. The poor are there to be supported by those who can take care of them, in her opinion.

The author cited numerous letters she had written that revealed something else: Her lifelong terror at the thought of not going to heaven. Seems her main motivation for helping the poor was piling up credits for The Great Beyond, as much as anything else.

Surprised? Why? Haven't we all learned that saints, role-models, and heroes always turn out to be just plain folks in the end, with all the weaknesses, shortcomings, and inadequacies we have?

Mother Theresa did a lot of good things for a lot of wretchedly miserable people. The truth is, though, she could've done more with a better philosophy of how to do it.

Thanks for that info Zardoz.

 

[Grand Prix]

Surprised? Why? Haven't we all learned that saints, role-models, and heroes always turn out to be just plain folks in the end, with all the weaknesses, shortcomings, and inadequacies we have?

Except for Tazio Nuvolari, of course.

 

[Zardoz]

Except for Tazio Nuvolari, of course.

Well, DUH!!!

 

[JacktheHat]

You did. Don't you read what you write?



If you want to take the flying leap of logic that Cosby's philosophy has something ---ANYTHING-- in common with the Third Reich's, by making the comment you did, it is only fair that you be culpable for comparing him to a Nazi.



I think you are deeply confused about what you're saying. But whatever.



Right. Because Hitler's advice to Germans to blame the rest of Europe for their woes, adopt national socialism, eliminate social undesirables and rule Europe under a totalitarian regime...

...is DIRECTLY comparable to Cosby's advice to NOT blame anyone, become educated, and get a job.

That is unless you're trying to draw an even more inexplicably absurd parallel between blacks in America, 2005 with Jews in Germany, 1939? Wow. Does "get a job" translate to "take a shower" in the UK?

Please, I'm waiting for you lay another golden nugget of wisdom on us. What's next, is Dr. King a secret child molester? All that talk about "loving his black brothers and sisters" must have your mind just reeling with implications.


M

Well you obviously don't read what I write, too busy jumping to conclusions I suppose...

My point, if you had bothered, is that conformity/compromise/submission (however you want to dress it up) is akin to ignorance.


Which I think you may have proved...



Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[ledhed]

My point, if you had bothered, is that conformity/compromise/submission (however you want to dress it up) is akin to ignorance

Wrong . Unless of course you can explain how taking responsibility for ones action is ignorant . Or you can explain how deciding even though your religion claims to be the only true religion its still OK to hang out with others of different beliefs..thats a compromise..is it ignorant ? And when confronted by a man with a gun you hand over your wallet ..thats submission and its not much different when you pay taxes BTW . If you submit you do not go to jail. Explain please how thats ignorant ?

S: (adj) ignorant, nescient, unenlightened, unlearned, unlettered (uneducated in general; lacking knowledge or sophistication) "an ignorant man"; "nescient of contemporary literature"; "an unlearned group incapable of understanding complex issues"; "exhibiting contempt for his unlettered companions"
S: (adj) ignorant, illiterate (uneducated in the fundamentals of a given art or branch of learning; lacking knowledge of a specific field) "she is ignorant of quantum mechanics"; "he is musically illiterate"
S: (adj) ignorant, unknowledgeable, unknowing, unwitting (unaware because of a lack of relevant information or knowledge) "he was completely ignorant of the circumstances"; "an unknowledgeable assistant"; "his rudeness was unwitting" for ex. see Jack the hat..

 

[JacktheHat]

Wrong . Unless of course you can explain how taking responsibility for ones action is ignorant . Or you can explain how deciding even though your religion claims to be the only true religion its still OK to hang out with others of different beliefs..thats a compromise..is it ignorant ?

Not that I agree but, it would be ignorant of your chosen religion's rules/guidelines whatever...

And when confronted by a man with a gun you hand over your wallet ..thats submission and its not much different when you pay taxes BTW . If you submit you do not go to jail. Explain please how thats ignorant ?

You're not going to go to jail for standing up for yourself, either.