2009,BATHURST 1000.. Mt.PANORAMA

[zed300]

Viper @This years enduro's would have pleased you with Seton deciding to jumping into the no_2 HRT.

 

[mafia_boy]

They should use this one

Niice, problem is Marlboro is an illegal livery now, cigarette companies aren't allowed to advertise. (Thank goodness).

So to substitute after the tobacco advertising bans, they use binge-drinking fuelled alcohol revenue now for their sponsorship, which is just as bad if not worse for the community overall and is a cop out from AVESCO to say the least, basically using a loophole (and it's not restricted to V8's or even motorsport, you have the Australian Rugby Union team sponsored by Bundaberg Rum) to give teams the ability to afford a racing team otherwise we would all be back to running near stock V8 utes!!

It's just as bad seeing Jim Beam, Jack Daniels, The Bottle-O and Sirromet Wines slapped over the cars now as it was to see Marlboro, Peter Jackson or Winfield back in the day when I was a kid!! And it's worse now because the whole series is sponsored by XXXX, a brand of beer AND by Jim Beam.

Anyway, for the record, I'm hoping that someone out of the woodwork would cause an upset, hopefully from Holden. Ingall's form has been coming back on track, and it would be good to see him get another Bathurst under his belt!!

 

[Open Addict]

So to substitute after the tobacco advertising bans, they use binge-drinking fuelled alcohol revenue now for their sponsorship, which is just as bad if not worse for the community overall and is a cop out from AVESCO to say the least, basically using a loophole (and it's not restricted to V8's or even motorsport, you have the Australian Rugby Union team sponsored by Bundaberg Rum) to give teams the ability to afford a racing team otherwise we would all be back to running near stock V8 utes!!

It's just as bad seeing Jim Beam, Jack Daniels, The Bottle-O and Sirromet Wines slapped over the cars now as it was to see Marlboro, Peter Jackson or Winfield back in the day when I was a kid!! And it's worse now because the whole series is sponsored by XXXX, a brand of beer AND by Jim Beam.

Anyway, for the record, I'm hoping that someone out of the woodwork would cause an upset, hopefully from Holden. Ingall's form has been coming back on track, and it would be good to see him get another Bathurst under his belt!!

And they wonder why there is a crisis regarding young binge drinkers.

It would be classic if a cars livery was a brand of Laxative or even bottled water.

 

[Jay]

Viper @This years enduro's would have pleased you with Seton deciding to jumping into the no_2 HRT.

Yeah, but doesn't matter, as long as he drives the winning car.

 

[hellnback]

Murph's time will probably be beaten during some stage in practice or qualifying for the 'Top 10' shootout.

It maybe just my opinion, but I don't consider it broken unless it's the shootout or the race... (and I'm fairly certain it won't happen in the race)

ADDED: First day practice

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/v8dat...This=true&TB_iframe=true&height=400&width=800

 

[Muzaffar]

Hey, does anybody here know what coverage of the Bathurst 1000 will be outside Australia/ New Zealand? I do want to watch this race, but I don't even know if Eurosport (or any other channels) that will cover the entire race. If I could watch it online, do you guys know where I can watch for free? But then again, this is so totally gonna clash with the F1 race in Fuji Speedway......

 

[Open Addict]

Hey, does anybody here know what coverage of the Bathurst 1000 will be outside Australia/ New Zealand? I do want to watch this race, but I don't even know if Eurosport (or any other channels) that will cover the entire race. If I could watch it online, do you guys know where I can watch for free? But then again, this is so totally gonna clash with the F1 race in Fuji Speedway......

Muzaffar Musa, you might be able to try this http://v8supercar.bigpond.com/live_race_engine/races.aspx?freetrial=true

I dont know if live streaming will be available if you are not a member though.

Luckily Channel 7 in Australia will show full coverage from very early in the morning Sunday right through to 5 ish in the arvo. I do wish Channel 10 still had the V8's but seven obviously paid more. I put last years race on DVD and took out the adds and rubbish. The race is just over 6 hours 20 minuets long, I have about 5 hours of actual footage of last years race. GRRRRRRRRR I hate adverts.

Also lucky for me because I dont have HD or a good computer, I have to wait untill 11pm ish to watch the F1 through a delayed telecast. (MUST get HD, atleast a box, because I found out all my favourite programs are now on HDTV.)

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

My friend is working for one of the V8 utes in the brute ute series, he landed in Sydney today and is currently on the way to bathurst as we speak (probably there by now)

If you are watching the ute series the team he is working for is Sage Automation (VE Commodore) driven by Gary baxter.

Gary Baxter, good driver. Apart from Brutes, what other series are at Bathurst this year? I love watching the Historic Touring Cars at Bathurst, awesome sight.

So to substitute after the tobacco advertising bans, they use binge-drinking fuelled alcohol revenue now for their sponsorship, which is just as bad if not worse for the community overall and is a cop out from AVESCO to say the least, basically using a loophole (and it's not restricted to V8's or even motorsport, you have the Australian Rugby Union team sponsored by Bundaberg Rum) to give teams the ability to afford a racing team otherwise we would all be back to running near stock V8 utes!!

It's just as bad seeing Jim Beam, Jack Daniels, The Bottle-O and Sirromet Wines slapped over the cars now as it was to see Marlboro, Peter Jackson or Winfield back in the day when I was a kid!! And it's worse now because the whole series is sponsored by XXXX, a brand of beer AND by Jim Beam.

Anyway, for the record, I'm hoping that someone out of the woodwork would cause an upset, hopefully from Holden. Ingall's form has been coming back on track, and it would be good to see him get another Bathurst under his belt!!

Except tobacco and cigarettes will kill you, you've seen all the health problems they give you. Plus, I've known people to get mentally messed up by smoking tobacco, they get scitzo and paranoid.
Alcohol on the other hand will only kill brain cells. If you're dumb enough to get so wasted that you lose all judgement then you deserved to jump off that bridge.......


GO HOLDEN!!!

 

[Jay]

Gary Baxter, good driver.

A message from my friend told me he qualified 8th, which isn't bad, but not quite as good as hoped.

 

[Smallhorses]

Except tobacco and cigarettes will kill you, you've seen all the health problems they give you. Plus, I've known people to get mentally messed up by smoking tobacco, they get scitzo and paranoid.
Alcohol on the other hand will only kill brain cells. If you're dumb enough to get so wasted that you lose all judgement then you deserved to jump off that bridge....

At the risk of you having "Another Mod attacks me" moment , would you care to post the evidence of tobacco being more dangerous than alcohol subject matter?

Fact: Drinking too much alcohol all in one go can lead to serious dehydration and even death. (I know. I've been awfully close. )

Smoking a carton of cigarettes (200) in the same amount of time is still unlikely to get you close to fatal nicotine toxicity. (and more or less impossible unless every breath you take for 12 hours is chain-smoked ciggy! )

While it's irrefutably true that "less" (Quantitatively) pure nicotine (or caffeine for that matter) is likely to be fatally toxic than alcohol, the means of obtaining a fatal dose of caffeine or nicotine without becoming seriously ill from the way it is "legally" administered (e.g. smoking too many cigarettes or drinking too many "Red Bulls" all in one go) isn't a legally available option to most citizens, and therefore since you're able to buy a potentially lethal 1L bottle of Scotch or 30 pack of beer (which may be lethal if consumed fully within a short enough time period) the alcohol is seen as the more tangible threat to addiction and mortality.

This website explains quite a lot too. http://www.abc.net.au/quantum/poison/

And so back onto topic of the race, rather than the sponsors....

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

A message from my friend told me he qualified 8th, which isn't bad, but not quite as good as hoped.

Well, it's V8 Brutes, the front 7 could crash at turn 1 and he'll be leading.

At the risk of you having "Another Mod attacks me" moment , would you care to post the evidence of tobacco being more dangerous than alcohol subject matter?

Fact: Drinking too much alcohol all in one go can lead to serious dehydration and even death. (I know. I've been awfully close. )

Smoking a case of cigarettes (200) in the same amount of time is still unlikely to get you close to fatal nicotine toxicity.

While it's irrefutably true that "less" (Quantitatively) pure nicotine (or caffeine for that matter) is likely to be fatally toxic than alcohol, the means of obtaining a fatal dose of caffeine or nicotine without becoming seriously ill from the way it is "legally" administered (e.g. smoking too many cigarettes or drinking too many "Red Bulls" all in one go) isn't a legally available option to most citizens, and therefore since you're able to buy a potentially lethal 1L bottle of Scotch or 30 pack of beer (which may be lethal if consumed fully within a short enough time period) the alcohol is seen as the more tangible threat to addiction and mortality.

This website explains quite a lot too. http://www.abc.net.au/quantum/poison/

And so back onto topic of the race, rather than the sponsors....

Like I said though, and surely you must agree with me, that alcohol is more or less harmless unless you yourself make the decision to drink too much. I always drink responsibly myself. It's even a major part of Jack Daniel's ads where they say "enjoy responsibly".
Smoke, on the other hand, can cause long term disease and even death simply by being in the proximity of (i.e. 2nd hand smoke). My Father only smoked for a couple years when he was a teen, he died of cancer 9yrs ago.

Edit: Almost forgot
GO

 

[Smallhorses]

Smoke, on the other hand, can cause long term disease and even death simply by being in the proximity of (i.e. 2nd hand smoke). My Father only smoked for a couple years when he was a teen, he died of cancer 9yrs ago.

I'm sorry to have to ask the obvious, and I'm genuinely sorry about the passing of your Father at such a young age , but what kind of cancer caused his death? I'm going to assume Lung Cancer based on your association with cigarettes, but stranger things have been known.
Many lifelong non-smokers have been known to contract cancer, I had a colleague pass away at 34 years old earlier this year, from an initial spinal tumour that spread quickly, who'd never ever smoked. (It made for an extremely heartwrenching funeral.)

My Dad's Dad passed at 67 years from a heart attack having smoked his whole life (legally! He wasn't smoking in the crib!), his wife (My Dad's Mum) I never met, having passed away from cancer when my Dad was only 17. On my Mum's side, my Grandmother has survived Colon Cancer and is still going at 88.

It's also very difficult to prove why the 93 year-old, lifetime-smoking, alcoholic lives longer than the 4 year old who dies of childhood Leukemia. It's sad and tragic, but it happens, and we're working on fixing & explaining it, but it's not readily obvious why or how it happens, and like many folks here I'm not willing to accept a simplified religious reason as a logical conclusion.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

I'm sorry to have to ask the obvious, and I'm genuinely sorry about the passing of your Father at such a young age , but what kind of cancer caused his death? I'm going to assume Lung Cancer based on your association with cigarettes, but stranger things have been known.
Many lifelong non-smokers have been known to contract cancer, I had a colleague pass away at 34 years old earlier this year, from an initial spinal tumour that spread quickly, who'd never ever smoked. (It made for an extremely heartwrenching funeral.)

My Dad's Dad passed at 67 years from a heart attack having smoked his whole life (legally! He wasn't smoking in the crib!), his wife (My Dad's Mum) I never met, having passed away from cancer when my Dad was only 17. On my Mum's side, my Grandmother has survived Colon Cancer and is still going at 88.

It's also very difficult to prove why the 93 year-old, lifetime-smoking, alcoholic lives longer than the 4 year old who dies of childhood Leukemia. It's sad and tragic, but it happens, and we're working on fixing & explaining it, but it's not readily obvious why or how it happens, and like many folks here I'm not willing to accept a simplified religious reason as a logical conclusion.

I was too young to worry with such things (where it was, maybe bowels?), but from what I understand, smoking can cause any kind of cancer can't it?

Anyways, regardless of my father's circumstances, I'm still quite positive that smoking is more deadly than drinking unless you are careless with drinking.


Back to Bathurst- GO HOLDEN!!!!

 

[DustDriver]

Alcohol can cause damage to your liver, even if you aren't careless with drinking.
And there are a lot of causes for cancer, not only smoking.
Even lung cancer can be caused by more things than smoking.
So using cancer to say smoking is more deadly than alcohol isn't right.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Except tobacco and cigarettes will kill you, you've seen all the health problems they give you. Plus, I've known people to get mentally messed up by smoking tobacco, they get scitzo and paranoid.
Alcohol on the other hand will only kill brain cells. If you're dumb enough to get so wasted that you lose all judgement then you deserved to jump off that bridge.......

Yes because just looking at that livery makes me want to have Marlboro cigarette....

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Yes because just looking at that livery makes me want to have Marlboro cigarette....

Did I say it did? I was simply pointing out that it's illegal now for ciggy companies to advertise. I never said it was damn straight it was illegal, but I did say alcohol was a lesser of the 2 evils.

 

[DustDriver]

I never said it was damn straight it was illegal

Niice, problem is Marlboro is an illegal livery now, cigarette companies aren't allowed to advertise. (Thank goodness).

What does the 'thank goodness' apply otherwise?

I think advertisement for alcoholic beverages are worse on a car since drinking while driving is much more dangerous and causes much more (deadly) accidents than smoking while driving.

 

[TheCracker]

Alcohol causes damage to your liver, even if you aren't careless with drinking.

Actually, only 1 in 4 people are genetically disposed to potential liver failure through alcohol abuse.

 

[Duke]

Except tobacco and cigarettes will kill you, you've seen all the health problems they give you.

Alcohol on the other hand will only kill brain cells.

Speaking as a guy who sent his college roomate to the hospital in an ambulance not once but TWICE for alcohol poisoning, I have to say, cigarettes may kill you in 20 years (as they killed my father), but alcohol can kill you now even if you don't do something stupid like jump off a bridge.

 

[Famine]

I was too young to worry with such things (where it was, maybe bowels?), but from what I understand, smoking can cause any kind of cancer can't it?

[Molecular biologist hat]

Smoking is associated with increased incidence of airway tract and facial cancers (lung, oesophageal, throat, mouth), other respiratory disorders and heart disease, but no others. Secondary smoking is, currently, not associated with increased incidence of any cancers.

Alcohol is associated with increased incidence of digestive tract cancers (mouth, throat, oesophageal, stomach, liver, bowel), and other metabolic disorders, but no others. It's also associated with many injuries sustained in road traffic collisions and fights.

[/Molecular biologist hat]

Of 500,000 UK deaths a year, smoking-related diseases account for about 81,000, whereas alcohol-related disease account for about 9,000. Alcohol-related injuries are responsible for almost a million injuries requiring hospital treatment each year (whereas smoking-related injuries account for none).

Smallhorses' other point is very valid. You cannot go out and buy sufficient cigarettes to kill yourself in a single sitting - but you certainly can buy sufficient alcohol to do the job.

 

[hellnback]

Am I missing something has the thread title been changed. I thought the thread was about a little motorsport event held occassionally in an outback town, on the smallest inhabited continent?

I'm sure the topic would make a suitable Rumble Strip thread...

 

[Famine]

I apologise for using professional training and education to answer a serious question posed by a user. Shan't let it happen again, SAH!

 

[PAPAOSA]

Here we go guy's... SECOND DAY- practice

 

[Open Addict]

FORD on top for the first day, could I be seeing a Three in a row coming.

GO FORD

Edit: Weather Update - Could be some rain around
CENTRAL TABLELANDS

Warning summary at 0842 hours :


For the latest warning information please check the Bureau's web site http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/nsw

Forecast for Friday
Isolated showers and thunderstorms developing. Light to moderate north to northeast winds.


Orange : A few showers/thunderstorms developing. Max: 18
Mudgee : A few showers/thunderstorms developing. Max: 22
Bathurst : A few showers/thunderstorms developing. Max: 21Katoomba : A few showers/thunderstorms developing. Max: 19
Lithgow: A few showers/thunderstorms developing. Max: 19
Springwood:A few showers/thunderstorms developing. Max: 23

Forecast for Saturday
Scattered showers, chiefly in the north and east. Northwest to northeast winds.


Orange : A few showers. Min: 5 Max: 17
Katoomba : A few showers. Min: 8 Max: 19

Forecast for Sunday
Isolated showers in the northeast. Fine elsewhere. Northeast winds.


Orange : Fine. Min: 5 Max: 19
Katoomba : Mostly fine. Min: 9 Max: 21

Forecast for Monday
Late showers/thunderstorms. North to northwest winds.


Orange : Chance showers/thunderstorms. Min: 7 Max: 20
Katoomba : Chance showers/thunderstorms. Min: 10 Max: 21

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UPDATED

 

[CAMikaze]

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AccuWeather.com page for up to the minute conditions and forecasts for Bathurst.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Hey, does anybody here know what coverage of the Bathurst 1000 will be outside Australia/ New Zealand? I do want to watch this race, but I don't even know if Eurosport (or any other channels) that will cover the entire race. If I could watch it online, do you guys know where I can watch for free? But then again, this is so totally gonna clash with the F1 race in Fuji Speedway......

During coverage today they said they were broadcasting to 120 countries (not 100% sure it was 120), so just hope your country is one of them!

Apart from Brutes, what other series are at Bathurst this year?

Fujitsu V8 Supercars, Mini Challenge and Carrera Cup. The Fujitsu race is on now, there's been a good battle for the podium going on. I believe qualifying is up next, the conditions are great. Earlier Tander broke into the 1'06s during practice, so beating Murphy's record is very possible.

 

[Motominded]

The V8 Supercars website has a section where you can see the video streaming of the races(Live V8). You'll probably need a broadband connection to see it though with DSL or Cable.

I also imagine YouTube has a few Bathurst related videos on there with Murph's 'Lap of the Gods' that I imagine still reigns as the Qualifying Lap record unless that has been topped in recent years.

can i see it from the usa? And will anybody else have the stream as well?

 

[CAMikaze]

I've had the chance a few times this season to catch some of the races online. Therefore, it is possible.

:idea:I was wondering if we can have a chat going on while the race is being run. If so, what chat client would you want to use? I prefer AIM, but I'm willing to give MSN Messenger a chance as well.

 

[Open Addict]

💡

AccuWeather.com page for up to the minute conditions and forecasts for Bathurst.

According to AccuWeather rain is very possible saturday morning. Which means we could have a dampish track for qualifing.

Also rain tonight and tomorrow morning will wash away all rubber laid before, so track may be a bit green. I would definately want to leave my qualiy run a little late once the track grips up agian.

PS. You guys are so lucky being able to watch at the moment, I am stuck at work. (however I am recording and going to watch tonight).

Edit
Qualifying results
http://www.v8supercars.com.au/v8dat...This=true&TB_iframe=true&height=400&width=800

1) Ford
2) Holden
then a good mix of ford then holden

GO FORD 👍

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

could have easily have been bathurst 2006 all over again.