2016 Pirelli Spanish Grand Prix

[sems4arsenal]

Someone who deserves some praise is Carlos Sainz, I don't think there is much between him and Max when they were teammates.

 

[Jimlaad43]

Verstappen wins Driver of the Day
http://www.formula1.com/content/fom...riverOfTheDay_for_Spain_-_Max_Verstappen.html

 

[TenEightyOne]

Verstappen wins Driver of the Day
http://www.formula1.com/content/fom...riverOfTheDay_for_Spain_-_Max_Verstappen.html

Great stuff. With such success at such a young age he has plenty of time to emulate the success of countryman Jacky Ickx.

 

[Dennisch]

 

[shoemaker]

Well i have to say, that was the race of the season so far....loved it. Thanks Mercedes !

 

[Touring Mars]

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You forgot the soundtrack....

 

[Jimlaad43]

You forgot the soundtrack....

Missed opportunity

 

[twitcher]

Had a nice surprise on the drive into work this morning.

Where I live, the only sports that get mentioned on the radio are hockey and baseball. Even the Toronto Raptors, who just made it to the first ever conference championship, didn't get a mention this morning.

Young Max Verstappen winning the Spanish GP got mentioned though - and the broadcaster dwelled on it for a second, remarking how amazing a feet it was for an 18 year old to win.

Like him or not, Max winning is good for F1. Now just imagine if we had a 6-8 driver scrap for the championship....one can dream

 

[United6694]

Good to see Nico show he's no longer going to be pushed about by Lewis

Lewis got beat into turn one is the more surprising thing? Surprised no Lewis fan club members have accused Nico of jumping the start, how else could he pass golden boy fairly?

If this was flipped the other way round I would happily put money on Sky and British press making Nico public enemy number 1 for ruining Lewis's race...

Im a Ferrari fan so don't have any real bias, think it might need 4 top runners out before they win a race!

 

[dopedog]

Simple fact is to the LH fanclub if positions were switched and Roseburg was the one behind with Lewis blocking no one would be talking about the Senna quote of "If you see a gap" blah blah blah...

Truth about that Senna quote anyway is its IMO total rubbish... Every idiot in club racing and even track days will use that as an excuse for having rubbish race craft once they have smashed into your door...
Its even more stupid in modern day F1 what with the DRS cheat mode...

 

[prisonermonkeys]

the DRS cheat mode

How is it cheating? It's a device designed to aid overtaking because the cars generate too much downforce to pass each other. Without it, you'd be complaining about the lack of overtaking.

 

[ScottPuss20]

I find it interesting that Verstappen wins the instant he jumps in a Red Bull... As if they are prioritising him over Ricciardo... Especially because his strategy was botched.

 

[dopedog]

How is it cheating? It's a device designed to aid overtaking because the cars generate too much downforce to pass each other. Without it, you'd be complaining about the lack of overtaking.

My point is DRS can be used on the straights so in modern F1 the thought of Senna's "if there is a gap" tripe can be rendered obsolete.
I know you have had a hard time from the Lewis fanclub in this thread but please don't try to start on me mate... to me IMO DRS is a bit of joke and a band aid at best for the lack of overtaking, thats my opinion one not shared by all but shared by some...ok.. Vettle once referred to it as a cheat mode or words to that effect, admittedly that was after he'd been passed by Lewis who was using it so he was a little angry... swings and round about's..

 

[prisonermonkeys]

in modern F1 the thought of Senna's "if there is a gap" tripe can be rendered obsolete

Not really, since without DRS, there would be no gap to go for in the first place.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Bec

My point is DRS can be used on the straights so in modern F1 the thought of Senna's "if there is a gap" tripe can be rendered obsolete.
I know you have had a hard time from the Lewis fanclub in this thread but please don't try to start on me mate... to me IMO DRS is a bit of joke and a band aid at best for the lack of overtaking, thats my opinion one not shared by all but shared by some...ok.. Vettle once referred to it as a cheat mode or words to that effect, admittedly that was after he'd been passed by Lewis who was using it so he was a little angry... swings and round about's..

In order for it to be a cheat mode it would only be available to select few. It is available to all therefore cannot be considered a cheat mode. Cheap yes, a band aid yes. Cheating no.

 

[Touring Mars]

I find it interesting that Verstappen wins the instant he jumps in a Red Bull... As if they are prioritising him over Ricciardo... Especially because his strategy was botched.

No strategy is guaranteed to work and neither Ferrari or Red Bull could be certain whether the 2 or the 3 stop strategy would be optimal, so they both elected for split strategies. The 2 stop strategy was arguably higher risk but paid off - but I reckon that was more down to luck than any tactical nous on behalf of RBR.

 

[dopedog]

Bec

In order for it to be a cheat mode it would only be available to select few. It is available to all therefore cannot be considered a cheat mode. Cheap yes, a band aid yes. Cheating no.

If I were to be as pedantic as most then well it isn't actually available to all at the same time..is it? In fact that's its very point...

 

[TenEightyOne]

If I were to be as pedantic as most then well it isn't actually available to all at the same time..is it? In fact that's its very point...

Yes, it is. Any driver who crosses the line within a second of the preceding car (irrespective of race position) has the opportunity to use their drag reduction system in the subsequent zone(s).

I think you'll struggle to find a way to match that to a definition of "cheating" in any sense of the word.

 

[FutureF1]

I find it interesting that Verstappen wins the instant he jumps in a Red Bull... As if they are prioritising him over Ricciardo... Especially because his strategy was botched.

I thought that at first but if you look at it, both Ferrari and red bull put their #1 drivers on one stray and the #2s on another. It just happened that the #2s strategy worked

 

[dopedog]

Yes, it is. Any driver who crosses the line within a second of the preceding car (irrespective of race position) has the opportunity to use their drag reduction system in the subsequent zone(s).

I think you'll struggle to find a way to match that to a definition of "cheating" in any sense of the word.

Firstly it was a throw away phrasing "DRS Cheat mode", secondly it was my opinion, thirdly if the car in front has no DRS and the car following uses DRS to pass the car then it can be called if i want to, a cheat mode... I can call it what the hell i want frankly, its a pathetic devise IMO.
The point you allude to is when car can grab DRS from car in front which then renders the whole thing pointless so it just cancels itself out as if DRS didn't exist...
DRS along with other silly ideas in F1 are to appeal to the Britains Got Talent / ToWIE mouth breathers.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Firstly it was a throw away phrasing "DRS Cheat mode"

Wrong word, so consider "cheating" thrown away

secondly it was my opinion

Furr do's.

thirdly if the car in front has no DRS and the car following uses DRS to pass the car then it can be called if i want to, a cheat mode...

You'd probably need proper words though.

 

[TheCracker]

Firstly it was a throw away phrasing "DRS Cheat mode", secondly it was my opinion, thirdly if the car in front has no DRS and the car following uses DRS to pass the car then it can be called if i want to, a cheat mode... I can call it what the hell i want frankly, its a pathetic devise IMO.
The point you allude to is when car can grab DRS from car in front which then renders the whole thing pointless so it just cancels itself out as if DRS didn't exist...
DRS along with other silly ideas in F1 are to appeal to the Britains Got Talent / ToWIE mouth breathers.

As much i dislike the idea of DRS, without it they'd be almost no overtaking in F1. They are just to aerodynamically sensitive to follow another car through a medium-quick corner to get enough 'natural' drag to make a pass. They've tried slashing the size of wings and enforcing other wing-related regulations, but it didn't make much difference. DRS was an ugly fix to a problem that needed sorting.

 

[Akmuq]

It really is disappointing that next years regs are supposedly allowing more aero development, it's the complete opposite of what is needed.

 

[FutureF1]

Looks like the F1 website is still in shock after Verstappen's win

 

[spacecowboy73]

It really is disappointing that next years regs are supposedly allowing more aero development, it's the complete opposite of what is needed.

From my understanding though, they are expanding the amount of down force from the floor/diffuser which is less susceptible from the air off the car in front.

 

[dopedog]

As much i dislike the idea of DRS, without it they'd be almost no overtaking in F1. They are just to aerodynamically sensitive to follow another car through a medium-quick corner to get enough 'natural' drag to make a pass. They've tried slashing the size of wings and enforcing other wing-related regulations, but it didn't make much difference. DRS was an ugly fix to a problem that needed sorting.

IIRC it pretty much came into effect due to Alonso getting stuck behind Petrov and Vettle won the WDC. In Moto GP even they can get situations where they can't pass and they are thin machines, but what happens then is the real talented guys do what they are paid to do.
I do find it funny how pointless DRS can become to the point that drivers are still tripping over themselves, Russia, and Lewis with Roseburg, Spa with Lewis and Roseburg etc etc and its because DRS is in places where it only really works if the car is faster anyway regardless of DRS, the McLaren is slower with DRS against a Merc with no DRS . Max and Ricciardo proved how you can pass in F1 it just takes balls and talent.
I hate this notion that a faster driver can get get stuck behind a slower one... you can get stuck behind them yes but your stuck because you can't pass them! Thats racing! It sticks in the head that someone in front can be slow and the better guy is behind..well no, IMO your behind because your unable to overtake them...your losing..sorry.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I hate this notion that a faster driver can get get stuck behind a slower one... you can get stuck behind them yes but your stuck because you can't pass them! Thats racing!

That's your assessment, that it has zero to do with wake turbulence?

Vettle...Roseburg...Roseburg...

No, no and no

 

[TheCracker]

IIRC it pretty much came into effect due to Alonso getting stuck behind Petrov and Vettle won the WDC.

That was more down to how the cars were geared and/or what degree of downforce they had dialled in before the race.

 

[dopedog]

That was more down to how the cars were geared and/or what degree of downforce they had dialled in before the race.

Exactly and a knee jerk reaction they thought of DRS... that reason and for the dense masses who need 'entertaining'.. like i say, the X Factor bunch..
Look at American sport for prime example of this... F1 should not be WWF..

That's your assessment, that it has zero to do with wake turbulence?

That is a reason they can't pass is it not, did i not just say that?
I have found over the years as much enjoyment from racing whether there's a million overtakes or none, its about tactics, strategies, the excitement of all the politics... true fans of Motorsport don't want all this fake rubbish.
Some football matches end 0-0 but that's what makes the special matches special, as soon as they make the goals as wide as the pitch and a goal be worth 10 points its doomed...

 

[TenEightyOne]

Exactly and a knee jerk reaction they thought of DRS... that reason and for the dense masses who need 'entertaining'.. like i say, the X Factor bunch..

true fans of Motorsport don't want all this fake rubbish.

So you get to judge who's "true fan of motorsport" and who isn't? Wow.

In other news; Jenson Button currently P1 with 1:23.7, I'm pretty sure that's on the ultra-soft.