DTM Season 2**See 1st Post For Details**
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- Bracknell, UK
- JT977
Thanks Sassafrass
I have evolved from using just MS Paint to using MS Wordart and MS Paint, you lucky people! Might even use Paintshop Pro for DTM3
Starting to think about stratagy for Monza. Do i start on softs, for a good qualification time. Use softs in exta long middle stint. Or use softs at the end and try to catch the leaders (in a Hamilton @ China GP style). What ever i choose i know i will be using the hards for as little time as possible.
- 929
- Portugal
- Goruk77
Hey guys, just a little tip, to have a more close to online physics, do a one make race at the training area, chose tire and fuel consumption on, set the race to 20-30 laps, and you can have a idea of tire wear.
Yesterday, was doing some laps at indy and the difference between time trial and one make race was about half second.
Think this is the best we can get with PSN down...
Yesterday, was doing some laps at indy and the difference between time trial and one make race was about half second.
Think this is the best we can get with PSN down...
Great! So lets do it. Lets go Monza to pratice, best lap with soft, medium and hard tyres. Then later we can make a race like Goruk77 said to see tyre consumption and start built a strategy.
- 686
- Bracknell, UK
- JT977
Did some Monza practice last night. Dont think tyre consumption will be such an issue. The order you use the tyres will be though.
Racing: Softs
Best time: 1:47.7xx
Avg: ~1:49.xxx
Racing: Mediums
Best Time: 1:49.9xx
Avg: ~1:50.xxx
Racing: Hards
Best Time: 1:51.4xx
Avg: ~1:52.xxx
I did about 21 Laps on Racing: Softs before i started losing enough grip to make me want to change. My times are well down on what i could do in DTM1. I have been playing with the setup so more changes needed i think. Although i was happy with the car handling when using Hard tyres. Might have to accept slower times for a better handling car. Something to work on though.
Racing: Softs
Best time: 1:47.7xx
Avg: ~1:49.xxx
Racing: Mediums
Best Time: 1:49.9xx
Avg: ~1:50.xxx
Racing: Hards
Best Time: 1:51.4xx
Avg: ~1:52.xxx
I did about 21 Laps on Racing: Softs before i started losing enough grip to make me want to change. My times are well down on what i could do in DTM1. I have been playing with the setup so more changes needed i think. Although i was happy with the car handling when using Hard tyres. Might have to accept slower times for a better handling car. Something to work on though.
you right about that. I had an idea, give some points for those who have the best lap times. You can make a table stats with the drivers name, and softs, medium and hard tyres lap times. Just to make us entertained. Think on this idea.
- 686
- Bracknell, UK
- JT977
We had points for fastest lap last season but decided against it this season. Two reasons.
1. The driver who wins usually had the fastest lap meaning the gap in points between 1st and 2nd was a lot bigger. When drivers dont think they have a chance at catching the top driver on points many lose interest.
2. In order to get the fastest lap time you have to watch the replay all the way to the end which can take over an hour. A lot of the time i would watch it all the way to the end, record the final race times, turn it off, then remember about the fastest lap. That meant watching the whole race again. At least two hours of my life i will never get back...
We have also dropped the points for pole position aswell. This was because the GT5 online lobbies sometimes mess up the times and put people on pole who havn't even completed a lap. I even got pole once
I think simplicity is the key to the points situation as many people didn't understand it last season. Points for 1st to 12th means most drivers will be fighting it out for points at the end of the races.
1. The driver who wins usually had the fastest lap meaning the gap in points between 1st and 2nd was a lot bigger. When drivers dont think they have a chance at catching the top driver on points many lose interest.
2. In order to get the fastest lap time you have to watch the replay all the way to the end which can take over an hour. A lot of the time i would watch it all the way to the end, record the final race times, turn it off, then remember about the fastest lap. That meant watching the whole race again. At least two hours of my life i will never get back...
We have also dropped the points for pole position aswell. This was because the GT5 online lobbies sometimes mess up the times and put people on pole who havn't even completed a lap. I even got pole once
I think simplicity is the key to the points situation as many people didn't understand it last season. Points for 1st to 12th means most drivers will be fighting it out for points at the end of the races.
watching the Grand Valley race again, and I believe I had the fastest lap. 
- 1,528
- WashingtonState
- Sassafrass_3
I have a question? Is there a reason why the race finish delay has to be set at maximum? I'm assuming previously it was to get the times of all the cars. But now that we are combining is it necessary? When the leaders cross the finish line the computer takes over your vehicle and drives very slow down the middle of the track. Any lapped cars are having to avoid those cars while possibly trying to not lose a position to another car a lap down. Is it just me or does it seem ridiculous to keep turning laps when the race is over. Finish your current lap, sure. Maybe its just me. I'm a lap down to much.
- 686
- Bracknell, UK
- JT977
A good point. Hopefully with the cars being more even it wont be so much of an issue. I left it at max because i thought people might like the chance to complete the race if they less than a lap behind but i see your point.
Maybe we should make it more like real racing.
Once the winner takes the chequered flag then your race is over when you cross the line.
So if you get lapped then you will finish the race a lap down on the winner.
This would stop the need to continue racing when cars are in auto mode.
I do like the extra time at the end to finish after an hour of racing.
Goruk - 3 Points added for fastest lap of EU Race 8
Been a bit slack with DTM1 stuff. I've got some time tonight so i'll see what i can update. Still need some info from NA series. Quite a few formation laps if someone in that series can find them out for me.
Maybe we should make it more like real racing.
Once the winner takes the chequered flag then your race is over when you cross the line.
So if you get lapped then you will finish the race a lap down on the winner.
This would stop the need to continue racing when cars are in auto mode.
I do like the extra time at the end to finish after an hour of racing.
Goruk - 3 Points added for fastest lap of EU Race 8
Been a bit slack with DTM1 stuff. I've got some time tonight so i'll see what i can update. Still need some info from NA series. Quite a few formation laps if someone in that series can find them out for me.
- 686
- Bracknell, UK
- JT977
Racing:Softs - 1:45.9xx
Racing:Mediums - 1:47.7xx
Racing:Hards - 1:50.0xx
New setup
Racing:Mediums - 1:47.7xx
Racing:Hards - 1:50.0xx
New setup
SymP
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- Amsterdam, NL
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I think everybody should have a chance to cross the finish line after the winner has finished. Then the race should end.
Now we don't need to compare times anymore between NA and EU races i also don't see the need to extend the delay time but after 1 hour of racing a 180 seconds delay doesn't bother me that much...
Now we don't need to compare times anymore between NA and EU races i also don't see the need to extend the delay time but after 1 hour of racing a 180 seconds delay doesn't bother me that much...
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- 1,528
- WashingtonState
- Sassafrass_3
I'm just not sure that any of you have had to run 2 more laps while the leaders rolling around at 30mph and you being chased by the other car a lap down. You just want the nightmare to end! I was thinking 60 seconds would be reasonable. The tracks we run, we should be able to have everyone cross the finish line with no problem.
- 686
- Bracknell, UK
- JT977
Yes but if the winner has won and is rolling round the track, then when you cross the line 2 laps behind, then your race is over too. No need to race the guys behind you as you have already beaten them.
What i wouldn't want is for the winner to win with the 2nd and 3rd placed drivers just starting the final lap. They would be fighting for 2nd and the timer would run out before the end of the lap.
If we set it at 60 seconds in race 1 and see how it goes. Like i said, i hope everyone is closer together anyway. (But we do have some ringers amongst us...
)
What i wouldn't want is for the winner to win with the 2nd and 3rd placed drivers just starting the final lap. They would be fighting for 2nd and the timer would run out before the end of the lap.
If we set it at 60 seconds in race 1 and see how it goes. Like i said, i hope everyone is closer together anyway. (But we do have some ringers amongst us...
)
- 686
- Bracknell, UK
- JT977
O and hawkeye's pace car for DTM2 will be...
...without the lights...
...without the lights...
So I did a little test tonight. Decided I would run five hot laps on each compound tire for times. Set up a 20 lap one make race at Monza, figuring start lap would be dealing with other cars and building heat in the tires, five laps on hard, pit in/pit out, then five on mediums, pit in/pit out and five on softs. Didnt make full use of the softs as I started running into lapped traffic half way through the stint, but I did lap the entire field by lap 19.
Vauxhall Astra 502hp 1100kg 603pp
Hard - 1:49.495
Medium - 1:47.296
Soft - 1:45.258
Total race time 37:27.761
Vauxhall Astra 502hp 1100kg 603pp
Hard - 1:49.495
Medium - 1:47.296
Soft - 1:45.258
Total race time 37:27.761
- 1,528
- WashingtonState
- Sassafrass_3
Nice pace car! How about if the race finish delay is set as close to the lap time of the track were on. That way will guarantee everyone will finish a full lap if necessary.
- 3,915
- California
- gdwest1
I know. And I get the honour of driving it
albeit for only one lap. Just posting here, trying to merge with the crowd a bit. I'm very excited to be give the opportunity to be the Pace car driver for this series, and if you guys do any online practices, id like an invite, to show just a little of what i can do in a DTM car
Also, I plan to be doing a few practice laps in a TT-R, just to get a feel for the kinds of drives you lot will be doing, ill post times and such when I do.
Looking forward to the race at Monza!
- 686
- Bracknell, UK
- JT977
Quite close to my times in the TT-R.
Agreed. So for Monza we will set it to 110 seconds (1:50).
Hawkeye has also offered a Safety Car Service. Dont know how it could be used but i have had a little think and this is my thoughts.
1. Car crashes and gets major damage. Major damage (in this case) is only when you get a big red dot in the centre of the car in the damage display.
2. That car texts 'SC' or 'Safety Car' in the chat window. Remember to put the handbrake on so you dont start rolling down the track.
3. This signals the Safety Car to come out of the pits and drive, off the racing line, round the track. The safety car texts 'Safety Car Deployed' in the chat window.
4. Everyone continues racing until the leading car catches the Safety Car. So everyone else can pass the safety car until that point.
5. Everyone follows the Safety Car (single file) until the damaged car enters the pits. No overtaking.
6. The Safety Car texts 'SC in' to indicate they will be coming in at the end of that lap.
7. The race restarts when the Safety Car peels off into the pits.
The replay will be checked to make sure the car calling for the safety car did actually have major damage. If they didn't, then they will be disqualified.
What do you think?
SymP
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Sounds interesting but I think if you have people decide for them selves that they are damaged enough for the safety car you have a chance of 'race manipulation'. A wall is easily found! Although we're still all gentlemen! 
And just like the tire thing the replay isn't always correct about the damage people have. I guess it's because of the lag that it's not recorded properly. I have seen cars driving high speed laps with all the lights red and ignoring the pits
Don't want to sound rude. I like the idea but I'm afraid it's too much of a hassle.
And just like the tire thing the replay isn't always correct about the damage people have. I guess it's because of the lag that it's not recorded properly. I have seen cars driving high speed laps with all the lights red and ignoring the pits
Don't want to sound rude. I like the idea but I'm afraid it's too much of a hassle.
- 2,551
- somerset, England
- Willfred_1
we could do a 15 lap trial race and test out the features it'll also mean that we can check the pace of the cars so we can adjust the rules if 1 type of car is way faster than the rest of us
- 686
- Bracknell, UK
- JT977
^^ Those are some of my reservations too. Although i dont think there will be many drivers crashing on purpose as they will lose time getting back to the pits and the pit stop itself.
I thought it might be a good idea for cars with so much damage they cant control the car well. The long drive back to the pits could cause problems for other cars and mess up other drivers races.
^I want to run a trial race mainly to test out the new rules. 15 laps of Monza sounds good. Pit windows at 4-6 and 10-12. Will also help hawkeye get to grips with keeping track of tyres during pit stops. And if we happen to have a crash then we can test out the safety car aswell.
I thought it might be a good idea for cars with so much damage they cant control the car well. The long drive back to the pits could cause problems for other cars and mess up other drivers races.
^I want to run a trial race mainly to test out the new rules. 15 laps of Monza sounds good. Pit windows at 4-6 and 10-12. Will also help hawkeye get to grips with keeping track of tyres during pit stops. And if we happen to have a crash then we can test out the safety car aswell.
Maybe we will be seeing a lot of each other on the track. I had the impression that the Opel/Vaux was not competitive in DTM1. Maybe the rules changes have evened things out a bit. 👍
Sounds interesting but I think if you have people decide for them selves that they are damaged enough for the safety car you have a chance of 'race manipulation'. A wall is easily found! Although we're still all gentlemen!
And just like the tire thing the replay isn't always correct about the damage people have. I guess it's because of the lag that it's not recorded properly. I have seen cars driving high speed laps with all the lights red and ignoring the pits
Don't want to sound rude. I like the idea but I'm afraid it's too much of a hassle.
I agreed with this! But if happens something like this, a comission can interview and judge the crash.
