FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

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The pixelation caused by the snow spray only appears when you are a bad photographer. It works the same in the rain and dirt on GT5.

This is in no way, shape, or form true. Whatsoever.

You either have to omit the majority of the spray or dirt being kicked up, or you have to edit/filter the jagged edges. There is no "only appears when you're a bad photographer".
 
This is in no way, shape, or form true. Whatsoever.

You either have to omit the majority of the spray or dirt being kicked up, or you have to edit/filter the jagged edges. There is no "only appears when you're a bad photographer".

That photo was taken straight from game. only been edited into a completely new photo for HDR. Which looks like this. But the original photo's have not been tampered with. I'm not that good in photoshop so I figure why bother.


STI Tosana 2.1 by shintastic48, on Flickr
 
That photo was taken straight from game. only been edited into a completely new photo for HDR. Which looks like this. But the original photo's have not been tampered with. I'm not that good in photoshop so I figure why bother.

That's not his point. You can be a good photographer and still come up with an image that is heavily pixelated. It is all in the way the camera faces in relation to the sun. Has nothing to do with being a good or bad photographer.
 
That's not his point. You can be a good photographer and still come up with an image that is heavily pixelated. It depends on how the lighting engine filters the dust or snow kicked up. It is all in the way the camera faces in relation to the sun. Has nothing to do with being a good or bad photographer.

Part of being a good photographer is picking a good scene. is it not?
 
Of course there's no low res alpha "pixellation" in photomode. But it's there in realtime.

Edit : There can be alpha pixellation in photo mode ? wtf :lol:
 
Take this photo for example. No pixelation here. (Click for Larger)

Toscana_5 by shintastic48, on Flickr
That's because of the angle of your shot. Take a picture like the one posted previous with the snow/dust/smoke being shown behind the car (doesn't even have to be a lot) & you can see exactly where the pixelation happens.
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It has nothing to do with photography. It is the game that causes that to happen.
 
its there in game yeah, i never notice it because i'm in car, but i've seen it before.
Just to be clear, as much as it can be distracting, this alpha pixellation is far from being my biggest concern about GT5. If that's the price to pay to have nice dirt and smoke effects, I'm fine with it.

Edit : I'm talking about realtime. There's no excuse for alpha pixellated photomode shots.
 
Part of being a good photographer is picking a good scene. is it not?

That is very true. I studied photography in college so if you would like to discuss this topic further, this isn't the place. :) Cause I go on even further with the flaws in your photograph.
 
Part of being a good photographer is picking a good scene. is it not?

True. However that still has very little to do with the point I'm attempting to prove. It doesn't matter whether you're me, Slip, or any of the other guys in the PM section of GT5, you either edit the pixelation or jagged edges out in Photoshop or Corel DRAW, or resize the picture and hide the obscenities.

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Of course there's no low res alpha "pixellation" in photomode. But it's here in realtime.

Edit : There can be pixellation in photo mode ? wtf :lol:

Even though the edit is right there in my face (wasn't when I originally clicked the reply button) I'm going to pretend it isn't there and respond (:P): There can be (and has been) alpha pixelation, especially when you use the warm filter (which, coincidentally, is the only way to effectively produce a photo with bloom). Things get progressively worse when you take full photos of a powerslide.

I've had to edit (read: smooth out) the jagged edges in smoke, rain, and dirt just to make the rest of the picture look good.
 
That is very true. I studied photography in college so if you would like to discuss this topic further, this isn't the place. :) Cause I go on even further with the flaws in your photograph.

Either way, the original photo in question was taken in upmost poor quality. Obviously to try and hate on the game. How he felt he could justify complaining about the game as a whole is just beyond me.
And I never said I was a good photographer. I just said that he was a bad one. I'm Japanese so I do get a bit of photography skill, but I've never taken any classes on it. So I'm sure it's not top of the class. ;)
 
True. However that still has very little to do with the point I'm attempting to prove. It doesn't matter whether you're me, Slip, or any of the other guys in the PM section of GT5, you either edit the pixelation or jagged edges out in Photoshop or Corel DRAW, or resize the picture and hide the obscenities.

Just stop. I'm going to say this again. I haven't used any methods of hiding or resizing. And I see no pixelation on my photo. So obviously it is possible without editing.
 
Just stop. I'm going to say this again. I haven't used any methods of hiding or resizing. And I see no pixelation on my photo. So obviously it is possible without editing.

So, you're going to ignore the fact that it's the angle of the photo? :lol:

I'm not even going to bother explaining the resize bit to you.
 
So, you're going to ignore the fact that it's the angle of the photo? :lol:


The angle of the photo is chosen by the photographer. I could have gone any angle, but I decided on that one because I wanted the vibrance of the sun in the background. Just so happened that there was no pixelation. Either way, where did you say anything about the angle in your post prior?
 
However, after playing GT5 for 8 months, I never once saw that kind of pixelation, unless I did EXACTLY what you did, and took a photo like that. During normal driving, that does not occur.
Is the hip new way of defending GT5 to just say any old crap and hope people don't notice that it isn't true? Because that isn't an exaggeration of the truth. That isn't stretching the truth. That is an outright lie.


The only possible alternative is that you have such small amount of a clue about what you are talking about that you basically aren't in any position to be in this debate in the first place. The screwed up alpha blending is constantly a hassle in any rain/snow/dirty/smoke-filled shot. This is true when you are actually driving. It is true when you are watching a replay. And it is true when you actually stop to take a photo. You either cherry pick angles to take photos until you find one where alpha blending doesn't even come in contact with an edge of a car (or is very, very thin), or you post-process the image until the jaggies go away. There is no third option.
 
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The angle of the photo is chosen by the photographer.

That's amazing. Please, tell me that story again.

I could have gone any angle, but I decided on that one because I wanted the vibrance of the sun in the background.

Do you even know what you're discussing anymore? No one is talking about angle etiquette.

Just so happened that there was no pixelation.

Look at the original image and look at the sky: see those discolored pigments? Yeah, try again.

And you can also see a bit of the jagged edges near the front-left wheel. Albeit you have to be looking for it.


Either way, where did you say anything about the angle in your post prior?

And this has to do with what? Just because someone else said something that quite honestly slipped my mind doesn't make it any less true.
 
That's amazing. Please, tell me that story again.



Do you even know what you're discussing anymore? No one is talking about angle etiquette.



Look at the original image and look at the sky: see those discolored pigments? Yeah, try again.

And you can also see a bit of the jagged edges near the front-left wheel. Albeit you have to be looking for it.




And this has to do with what? Just because someone else said something that quite honestly slipped my mind doesn't make it any less true.

Lol, so this is what you resort to... Not even worth my time ripping this appart.

I spy pigmentation in this as well...

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THere's pigment in every sky photo in every console game. It's just too difficult for any company to get. That would be like recreating space. YOu just can't.
 
Okay, let me type this in a way that's more likely to get through to you:

No one is even talking about FM4 so why you're grasping at that is beyond me, and your tirade about skies is quite frankly a mixed bag because you can produce photos from GT5, FM3, and even GT4 where the skies aren't as pigmented but that's neither here nor there. The point which you've got, two, three other people telling you as well is that the edges of the smoke surrounding the vehicle will result in a jagged/pixelated area. There is no "only if you're a bad photographer" or some other random, inconclusive excuse. You either edit the image once you've gotten it to your computer, host it on an image website (which, and you may find this hard to believe, applies minimal postprocessing efforts once you've resized an image), or you go through the pre-determined angles in the game (or find your own) where the obscenity is omitted from the rest of the image. Oh, and another thing I've forgotten: you could focus on another part of the car (especially if you're taking an action shot) which would essentially go right back to omitting the obscenity from the rest of the image, or you can apply a filter (cross processing works rather well at times) which, again, goes right back to omitting the obscenity from the rest of the image.

Simple as.
 
I'm making it more on topic. The only reason I changed it is because I don't really feel like ripping his argument apart. I stated that...
You don't feel like it, or you can't & you've resorted to talking about FM4 pictures to bypass it....
 
I'm just going to shut up because it's quite apparent that I am a blithering idiot.

There's one other guy who resorts to such inane tactics to withdraw from an argument he doesn't feel he's going to *win*. Doesn't work him, and it's not going to work for you either.

Address the point. "Rip apart" whatever it was you said you were capable of doing.

I'll wait.
 
Maybe I don't feel like it anymore. Maybe I'll just leave. Maybe I could care less what you think of me. Maybe It's just the internet and we've all been taking it way too seriously.
 
Maybe I don't feel like it anymore. Maybe I'll just leave. Maybe I could care less what you think of me. Maybe It's just the internet and we've all been taking it way too seriously.

You don't feel like it because you can't? When did I ever address you, personally? What does the "it's the internet" excuse have to do with an issue that you're apparently playing 'blind eye' to?

Again, address the point.
 
You don't feel like it because you can't? When did I ever address you, personally? What does the "it's the internet" excuse have to do with an issue that you're apparently playing 'blind eye' to?

Again, address the point.

Again, if I don't want to. I don't have to. Maybe I have no point. Maybe I have a better point. Maybe you'll never know now.
 
You don't feel like it because you can't? When did I ever address you, personally? What does the "it's the internet" excuse have to do with an issue that you're apparently playing 'blind eye' to?

Again, address the point.
Just stop, T. He's obviously going to play games with ya now & has no interest in actually adding something to this topic anymore.
 
Just stop, T. He's obviously going to play games with ya now & has no interest in actually adding something to this topic anymore.

Apparently.

Especially with that recent excuse that makes no sense.
 
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