FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

[Tornado]

Aah tornado again. Long time no see. Still moaning about gt5 or have you finally moved on?

You don't need to play forza to see the vast design differences between the two developers. Well i don't need to anyway

So, no and yes; which means your opinions about the quality of the Forza games are no less useless than the last time you entered this thread and spouted a bunch of biased ignorance. Like this:

One set of devs focus on gameplay variety whereas the other thinks superficial stuff such colouring your cars is important

Sure am loving the ability to change the horns on my cars. And giving my B-Spec drivers Nascar race suits that I get to pay extra for? Game of the Year feature, right there. Because since Kaz did it, it isn't superficial, right?


And sales! Sales mean quality!

 

[Terronium-12]

Lol at the crowd jibe. If you asked the average GT5 gamer whether they would like if pd nerfed weather in return for crowds they would tell you to piss off.

Alternatively, if you asked the average GT5 gamer whether they would like if PD nerfed the Nordschleife in exchange for weather on all tracks they'd tell you to piss off.

See how that proves nothing at all?

after 3 iterations in one generation, the definitive racing franchise is stuck in daylight mode for the forseable future. That's why forza continues to lag behind GT.

Funny, because I swear there are several tracks in the game that have a sunset setting. Of course you knew that, hence your use of the statement "stuck in daylight mode".

One set of devs focus on gameplay variety

Yeah. Forza.

whereas the other thinks superficial stuff such colouring your cars is important.

As opposed to the superficial horns, museum cards, racing outfits, and the borderline draconian paint chip system (which is also used to color ones car, coincidence?), right?

Different philosphies, different design decisions and hence different market outcomes

Still doesn't prevent people from continually making an ass out of themselves, now does it?

 

[harrison1476]

Forza or GT5? GT5
Why? Well, here's my list:
-More Compatible Steering Wheels (PS3/PC)
-I grew up playing on Playstation
-I grew up playing GT Series (Since GT3)
-I am a huge online gamer (For series and clubs) and paying for Multiplayer is pretty weak
- Original tracks (Deep Forest, Trial Mountain) are amazing
-Better physics (IMO)
-Better Multiplayer (IMO)< Again, seriously?! you have to pay to play multiplayer, really microsoft?! Bill gates, you don't already get enough money? LOL
-Layout (Really like how GT5 is layed out, A spec, B spec, UCD, OCD, Just very well organized ) IMO

 

[Terronium-12]

Everything else I'm fine with because it's your opinion and I'm not going to attempt to sway your opinion. Just two things though:

1. Have you played Forza 4?
2. Multiplayer isn't the only thing you pay for when switching to Gold. Why it's heralded as the only offering Gold brings to the table is beyond me.

Expensive, yes, I damn sure won't refute that. But it's more than multiplayer. And, you double posted; use the edit button, friend. Nevermind that now.

 

[harrison1476]

Everything else I'm fine with because it's your opinion and I'm not going to attempt to sway your opinion. Just two things though:

1. Have you played Forza 4?
2. Multiplayer isn't the only thing you pay for when switching to Gold. Why it's heralded as the only offering Gold brings to the table is beyond me.

Expensive, yes, I damn sure won't refute that. But it's more than multiplayer. And, you double posted; use the edit button, friend. Nevermind that now.

@#2: Ok, thats fair

@#1: Yeah, I have played forza 4, IMO GT5 is way better.... My friend has forza 4, it is a great game yeah, but GT5 is better (lol again< IMO.)

 

[Terronium-12]

You like GT5's UI/layout? No joke?

There's 🤬 all over the place.

I'm used to it now but compared to 1-4 (you could say 4 had 🤬 all over the place as well, but it was fitting as it was a world map) it's... I won't say horrible, but it's bad.

 

[cuco33]

Nice to see folks who haven't played fm4/played at friends still chime in here

Am I the only one that still goes back and forth between the 2 titles?

 

[Terronium-12]

Not at all.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I regularly switch out between both. I'm still of the opinion that if you're lucky enough to be able to own both, and don't have to choose only one system, then definitely own both, since you'd be missing out on very important features from either otherwise.

 

[PAWEL17]

Forza:

• Customization
• Relatively more realistic damage
• Tyre physics
• Better car sounds
• Online is comparatively better
• Better selection of cars
• More consistent graphics
• More tracks

GT:

• Better physics inmyhonestopinion
• Good rendition of tracks
• Premium cars better modeled and detailed
• Sound engine (doppler effect, exhaust and engine have different notes and can be heard individually and their volume depends on the position of the camera, etc.)
• Day/Night shift and weather and their transitions beautifully rendered
• Better graphics
• More cars especially historically important models
• Photomode much better
• B-Spec (not the way it is implemented in GT5, however)

Better selection of cars? How so, in what way?

 

[MagpieRacer]

Better selection of cars? How so, in what way?

Very easily, heres a few examples of what FM4 has that GT5 does not:
Escort Cosworth
Sierra Cosworth
Focus RS
Veyron SS
Aston One-77
V8 Vantage
Rapide
Continental Supersports
1988, 2003, 2009, 1012 M5's
Citroen DS3
De Tomaso Pantera
Koenigsegg
Kia Cee'd
Morgan Aero Supersport
Noble M600
Wiesmann GT

To name a few, and don't even get me started on Ferrari.

Its all about cars that people want to be driving and have an interest in, GT5 for the most part fails on this most basic of things.

 

[Spagetti69]

In response to GT's better physics I have to ask which one. Online or off.

There seems to be two physics models on the go here. Impossible to roll a car online because of the hand of god preventing you.

These raises issues for me.
If I got a car into a state of a possible roll what is actually happening here. Invisible stabilisers are auto fitted which obviously compromises the real world physics of the car.

People seem to agree that fitting the racing softs bring the cars real world 0-60 times in line with real world stats. From track X test times.

Alas the actual lapping with these cars then prove to be to much grip and an arcade like physics.

I am sure with the wealth of options of online/offline physics. SH rear CS front, a decent attempt of replicating a real experience can be found. You have to find the right combo though which is a pain.

 

[Spagetti69]

Better selection of cars? How so, in what way?

Ignoring the choice of cars for the moment which is subjective, they all have cockpits which is a fact.

I'll not get into the Burkha cam debate of standard cockpits.

Sorry for double post.

 

[MagpieRacer]

I'll not get into the Burkha cam debate of standard cockpits.

Sorry for double post.

Class.

 

[PAWEL17]

Very easily, heres a few examples of what FM4 has that GT5 does not:
Escort Cosworth
Sierra Cosworth
Focus RS
Veyron SS
Aston One-77
V8 Vantage
Rapide
Continental Supersports
1988, 2003, 2009, 1012 M5's
Citroen DS3
De Tomaso Pantera
Koenigsegg
Kia Cee'd
Morgan Aero Supersport
Noble M600
Wiesmann GT

To name a few, and don't even get me started on Ferrari.

Its all about cars that people want to be driving and have an interest in, GT5 for the most part fails on this most basic of things.

So, what he meant to say is, a more interesting selection of cars? I know it's his and your opinion, but i just wanted to make that clear. I haven't played Forza 4 yet, and i can't comment on it, i just wanted to know.

 

[MagpieRacer]

Interesting/better, its a stronger car list either way.

 

[drivatar]

Better selection of cars? How so, in what way?

If you like BMW and Ferrari the answer is pretty obvious.

mygranturismo.net: 1089 cars in GT5 (811 "Standard"), 648 from Japan, 135 from USA
myforza.net: 558 cars in FM4, 113 from Japan, 164 from USA

I think the selection of cars in FM is a lot more balanced.

 

[E28]

Better selection of cars? How so, in what way?

There is much more variation, every car has an interior view, there are a few manufacturers that aren't even in GT5, any road car can be tuned and painted...

 

[MagpieRacer]

And race-car-ified.

 

[PzR Slim]

Forza or GT5? GT5
Why? Well, here's my list:
-More Compatible Steering Wheels (PS3/PC)
-I grew up playing on Playstation
-I grew up playing GT Series (Since GT3)
-I am a huge online gamer (For series and clubs) and paying for Multiplayer is pretty weak
- Original tracks (Deep Forest, Trial Mountain) are amazing
-Better physics (IMO)
-Better Multiplayer (IMO)< Again, seriously?! you have to pay to play multiplayer, really microsoft?! Bill gates, you don't already get enough money? LOL
-Layout (Really like how GT5 is layed out, A spec, B spec, UCD, OCD, Just very well organized ) IMO

1. How does that make GT better, unless you have an array of different steering wheels.
2. I grew up playing playstation and that has no bearing on the quality of GT5 or FM4.
3. I grew up playing GT (since GT) and that has no bearing on the quality of GT5 or FM4.
(if these last two are not an admission of being that word we are not allowed to say on your part then I don't know what is.)
4. Paying for multiplayer is perfectly acceptable and once again has no bearing on the quality of GT5 or FM4.
5. GT has some tracks I wish FM had and vice versa. Neither wins.
6. How can it have better physics when it doesn't even model tyres correctly?
7. Once again some aspects of GT MP are better than FM and vice versa. Neither wins. And you do realise that Bill Gates is the biggest philanthropist the world has ever known?
8. The layout of GT5 is appalling and wastes so much time that could be spent actually racing.

 

[PAWEL17]

There is much more variation, every car has an interior view, there are a few manufacturers that aren't even in GT5, any road car can be tuned and painted...

So Forza has every Manufacturer that GT has plus more?
And more variation? I didn't know, you get more varied, than go-karts, samba bus, ww2 vehicles, F1, Super GT's, super cars, K cars, supercars, wagon's, drift cars, Le Mans prototypes, rally cars, DTM's, and Nascars.
If Forza has more variety, then well done, i would try it, but is it really worth buying another whole console just to play it?
And i think you meant LIvery editor, and not painted, also more body modifications, and not tuned. Because you can also Paint, and tune road cars in GT5.

If you like BMW and Ferrari the answer is pretty obvious.

mygranturismo.net: 1089 cars in GT5 (811 "Standard"), 648 from Japan, 135 from USA
myforza.net: 558 cars in FM4, 113 from Japan, 164 from USA

I think the selection of cars in FM is a lot more balanced.

I see, I might need to check out the Forza list of cars.

 

[PzR Slim]

So Forza has every Manufacturer that GT has plus more?
And more variation? I didn't know, you get more varied, than go-karts, samba bus, ww2 vehicles, F1, Super GT's, super cars, K cars, supercars, wagon's, drift cars, Le Mans prototypes, rally cars, DTM's, and Nascars.
If Forza has more variety, then well done, i would try it, but i don't think its buying another whole console just to get it.
And i think you meant LIvery editor, and not painted, also more body modifications, and not tuned. Because you can also Paint, and tune road cars in GT5.



I see, I might need to check out the Forza list of cars.

How can you possibly comment on which game is better when you haven't spent a serious amount of time with both games?

 

[PAWEL17]

How can you possibly comment on which game is better when you haven't spent a serious amount of time with both games?

I'm not commenting on which is better, i am just seeing the car list in comparison to GT5.
I am completley biased towards GT5, because i have probably spent an entire month of game time on it, compared to zero on Forza.

 

[Spagetti69]

I'm not commenting on which is better, i am just seeing the car list in comparison to GT5.
I am completley biased towards GT5, because i ahve probably spent an entire month of game time on it, compared to zero on Forza.

Best you don't play Forza mate. It will spoil your GT time.

I see your looking over the fence already.
If you don't own the relevant console to play both titles your probably better sticking your head in the sand and ignoring Forza.

I would love to play some if the PC sims mentioned but that's not an option.
If I was reading about them and watching vids etc. it would just make the pain worse.

Just my thoughts.

 

[MagpieRacer]

I'm not commenting on which is better, i am just seeing the car list in comparison to GT5.


I am completley biased towards GT5, because i have probably spent an entire month of game time on it, compared to zero on Forza.

Wha?

Odd comment to make.

 

[PAWEL17]

Wha?

Odd comment to make.

And hence why i don't want to say which is better, because i haven't played Forza 4.
I was only curious, to see in what way the car list was better. Anyway, i see now, after looking at the car list, why people say "Forza has a better car list", Forza doesn't focus on multiple's of the same car.
And are in more favour to American and European cars.

The choice of cars in Forza 4, in people's opinion is better.

 

[Spagetti69]

Curiosity is a dangerous thing.
Next you'll be wanting to have a go then it might lead you to the dark side.

 

[PAWEL17]

Curiosity is a dangerous thing.
Next you'll be wanting to have a go then it might lead you to the dark side.

That's alright, the only thing stopping me, is having to buy a whole new console just for one game.

 

[Nessy]

Very easily, heres a few examples of what FM4 has that GT5 does not:
Escort Cosworth
Sierra Cosworth
Focus RS
Veyron SS
Aston One-77
V8 Vantage
Rapide
Continental Supersports
1988, 2003, 2009, 1012 M5's
Citroen DS3
De Tomaso Pantera
Koenigsegg
Kia Cee'd
Morgan Aero Supersport
Noble M600
Wiesmann GT

To name a few, and don't even get me started on Ferrari.

Its all about cars that people want to be driving and have an interest in, GT5 for the most part fails on this most basic of things.

The thing is.. it works both ways, in the fact that the same could be said of GT5's selection, i know that the response is going to be "mmm but we don't care that there's 100 billion versions of the Skyline, MX5... (insert Japanese manufacturer here) etc etc, basically it all comes down to personal taste, for me... i prefer GT's selection (more unusual and quirky in some cases), i mean... i could write a very extensive list of cars (and not even mention Skyline,MX5 etc) that are in GT5 that aren't in Forza4, And yes most of them have the blacked-out cockpit (obviously i would prefer they were fully rendered)... but it's really not a problem for me.

In all fairness, i'm sure many of you will warrant my opinion as having no merit, as i don't own a copy of Forza 4 (Yet), and iv'e only played the demo thus far... and although i wasn't overly impressed with the demo, i do plan on acquiring the game (eventually), once they've fixed a few things that need fixing, afterall i do rate Forza highly (have enjoyed playing 1-3), and i do look forward to playing it in the future, but make no mistake... i will still be dedicating just as much time to GT5.

PS, I'm pretty much sure many will take the stance, that i must have a strong bias towards the GT franchise because of my post... Well i say to them people, ask yourselves the question, if that is the case .. would i have gone to the effort of creating these in Forza 3?....:

ecv 8 by dazzz99, on Flickr

ak6 by dazzz99, on Flickr

sogo21 by dazzz99, on Flickr

shin5 by dazzz99, on Flickr

 

[MagpieRacer]

Lets see this list then. Of interesting and quirky cars FM4 doesn't have.