FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

[Tornado]

Ok well i don't understand how i haven't

Because no one who has attempted to replicate your results under the circumstances that you provided have been able to do so, and if GT5 did model torque steer as you are asserting there should be no problem duplicating what you are achieving when the test parameters are copied. I even posted a video and asked for comment and you fobbed me off.

 

[Scaff]

Totally agree on what you are saying about the stock C63. Wasn't denying that bro hahaha. Like i said before i was pointing out that GT5 does have torque steer but probably not like it should but it does have it. But it seems as if it comes into play with a long gear and lots of wheel spin.

Its nothing like it should be if the only way to get it is to use higher gears with ratios they wouldn't normally have (and that don't work in 1st).

A moderately powerful RWD car should not have to have this done to it to generate torque steer from launch.

And yes just tested the front wheel drives there's still torque steer but it seem way lighter than when i tested it last time.

And are these cars stock and starting from 1st gear?

If not then it pretty pointless and once again I'm surprised that you actually found torque steer in the FWD in the past as no one else has.

Funny. I always imagined that torque steer occurs (especially for such a powerful car like the C63) no matter the modifications.

Even without modifications the C63 AMG should exhibit torque steer, its weight (which is about the same as a small house) will dial it down a lot, but it should still not take off in a straight line. A car of this type (and many others) should not need to be stripped out, be running full engine mods, have gear ratios adjusted and launched from 3rd/4th gear just to get torque steer.


I thinks its also important to keep in mind that even with all this done the tyres in GT5 still do not hook-up as they should do, and are still just spinning and then eventually gripping once the right gear is reached to reduce the torque. The feeling of the rubber interacting realistically to the track surface is still not present, rather its still feels like the physics engine is just waiting for the right numbers to match and then givings you traction.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Well you havent provided anything concrete i have tried your suggestions and nothing scaff posted a video showing it doesnt exist.

I explained how torque steer comes into play in GT5. Just because it didn't happen in first gear isn't really isn't the point because of the gear ratios. Just because i launched in a higher gear doesn't mean anything. Reason it doesn't is because just to say my video with the 3rd gear launch the gear ratio is the same in 1st gear instead of 3rd gear the same thing would happen. I don't get how no one understands that. It makes perfect sense and is a valid point.

Because no one who has attempted to replicate your results under the circumstances that you provided have been able to do so, and if GT5 did model torque steer as you are asserting there should be no problem duplicating what you are achieving when the test parameters are copied. I even posted a video and asked for comment and you fobbed me off.

Did not mean to ignore you. Sorry didn't see your post at first.

Also have a question for you.
Your transmission may not be set in a power band.
And when you did the video did you have grip reduction setting set to "real" for as it offers the best physics of tires (this does matter depending on track surface)

 

[Tornado]

I copied your gear ratios to the best of my ability based on the information you gave and nothing happened. I also emulated you launching in 3rd and 4th gear (so the validity of your point about the gear ratios when you launched using different starting gears for each video is suspect in the first place) and nothing happened. We need to have more to go on than what you've said so far.

 

[1241Penguin]

I explained how torque steer comes into play in GT5. Just because it didn't happen in first gear isn't really isn't the point because of the gear ratios. Just because i launched in a higher gear doesn't mean anything. Reason it doesn't is because just to say my video with the 3rd gear launch the gear ratio is the same in 1st gear instead of 3rd gear the same thing would happen. I don't get how no one understands that. It makes perfect sense and is a valid point.

What it means is that GT5 doesn't model torque steer (correctly*).

*Only if it exists, which it does, according to you.

I'd be interested in seeing a video of you trying to correct this torque steer of the line.

PS: Should this be in the physics thread, and not the discussion thread? I'd imagine things will be more organized that way for the sake of discussing.

Also have a question for you.
Your transmission may not be set in a power band.
And when you did the video did you have grip reduction setting set to "real" for as it offers the best physics of tires (this does matter depending on track surface)

Here's a video of me accelerating (from vaguely 0) to 200 km/h.



As you can see, there was absolutely no steering input used to correct torque steer (I use a wheel, BTW).

I can also post a video from a complete standstill, with a wheel, when time permits.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Editing my posts by the way quoting and commenting so i don't double post so just to let you know you might have to look back at my previous post once in a while

I copied your gear ratios to the best of my ability based on the information you gave and nothing happened. I also emulated you launching in 3rd and 4th gear (so the validity of your point about the gear ratios when you launched using different starting gears for each video is suspect in the first place) and nothing happened. We need to have more to go on than what you've said so far.

I will create a need tune and write down each thing i did to the transmission.
No problem. But it will have to wait for later this weekend.

Its nothing like it should be if the only way to get it is to use higher gears with ratios they wouldn't normally have (and that don't work in 1st).

A moderately powerful RWD car should not have to have this done to it to generate torque steer from launch.

And are these cars stock and starting from 1st gear?

If not then it pretty pointless and once again I'm surprised that you actually found torque steer in the FWD in the past as no one else has.

Even without modifications the C63 AMG should exhibit torque steer, its weight (which is about the same as a small house) will dial it down a lot, but it should still not take off in a straight line. A car of this type (and many others) should not need to be stripped out, be running full engine mods, have gear ratios adjusted and launched from 3rd/4th gear just to get torque steer.

I thinks its also important to keep in mind that even with all this done the tyres in GT5 still do not hook-up as they should do, and are still just spinning and then eventually gripping once the right gear is reached to reduce the torque. The feeling of the rubber interacting realistically to the track surface is still not present, rather its still feels like the physics engine is just waiting for the right numbers to match and then givings you traction.

You are correct about the physics for at least torque steer not being as it should. But it is still there that's all i was pointing out. This whole thing is just way out of hand with assumptions on what i am saying in my posts. You're the only one that seems to understand what i am pointing out.
That's the reason i have been saying numerous times "join me in a lobby on GT5 so i can explain (somethings are better when you actually talk to someone instead of write it. This whole thing is a great example).

And about the front wheel drive cars having torque steer. BUT not noticed at all without a wheel like i said before. And you have to launch in the power band of the car. Try it on a wheel with a stock 2005 mini cooper s. But yes it isn't drastic as it is in the real car which i have driven one for about a month or two. (if anyone says why it doesn't matter if it is with a wheel or not. That's pretty much self explanatory). Not going to get into that again.

What it means is that GT5 doesn't model torque steer (correctly*).

*Only if it exists, which it does, according to you.

I'd be interested in seeing a video of you trying to correct this torque steer of the line.

PS: Should this be in the physics thread, and not the discussion thread? I'd imagine things will be more organized that way for the sake of discussing.

Here's a video of me accelerating (from vaguely 0) to 200 km/h.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JING1WrDgtM">YouTube Link</a>

As you can see, there was absolutely no steering input used to correct torque steer (I use a wheel, BTW).

I can also post a video from a complete standstill, with a wheel, when time permits.

Yes you're correct. GT5 doesn't model it correctly. Basically without this whole thing getting out of had and a mixture of misunderstood words from both parties of the subject that was what i was pointing out. Once again that's the reason i was trying to get one of you in a lobby on GT5 to further explain without many people saying this and that at one time. And some rude and sarcastic and some are trying to actually see if what i was saying is true.

But yeah maybe this could be discussed in a "physics thread" (sorry didn't even know it existed) but to tell you the truth it probably with end up in the same mixed up meaning of posts that people get out of when people like me don't know how to word things perfect. Pretty much i am done with the thread discussions because of that. For now on i might mention something and then say "add me i will show you if you don't want to do that then i am done" (not directing that to you guys at all)

But i am sorry for my bad wording but anyway if anyone is interested in trying the C63 message me your online id. i will add you and tell you what to do. Thanks for time i am going to bed and i will check bad tomorrow.

 

[Scaff]

And about the front wheel drive cars having torque steer. BUT not noticed at all without a wheel like i said before. And you have to launch in the power band of the car. Try it on a wheel with a stock 2005 mini cooper s. But yes it isn't drastic as it is in the real car which i have driven one for about a month or two. (if anyone says why it doesn't matter if it is with a wheel or not. That's pretty much self explanatory). Not going to get into that again.

Sorry but that's not torque steer doing that with a wheel in GT5, its FFB.

GT5 pushes every bit of suspension travel through to the FFB, including low-speed damper travel (which it shouldn't), as a result what is pulling the car off to the side with a wheel is not torque steer but FFB. Its the exact same issue that pulls cars off line at higher speed in GT5 (once again incorrectly).

The FFB in GT5 is turning the steering wheel, which is then truning the driven wheels (the wrong way around for torque steer) rather than the torque differential between the driven wheels turning the steering wheel (the right way around for torque steer).

It may result in what feels like torque steer (which you may be OK with), but its occurring for the wrong reasons and is not a product of correctly modeled physics.

Either turn off the FFB on the wheel or use a controller to see what effect torque steer is having on FWD cars, because if its modeled correctly (which I have not found it to be) you should experience it without any FFB (which means turning it off or using a controller).

The examples I posted yesterday were done in just that way, a controller with no steering input and a first gear wide open throttle launch (a launch within the power band is not required to get torque steer in a FWD car in reality, my Alfa will do it quite happily on wide open throttle in 1st or 2nd gear).

 

[Samus]

So just to be sure I've got this right, torque steer is in GT5 but it only happens on certain cars when they've been modified and have a certain transmission set up.

 

[thelvynau]

I explained how torque steer comes into play in GT5. Just because it didn't happen in first gear isn't really isn't the point because of the gear ratios. Just because i launched in a higher gear doesn't mean anything. Reason it doesn't is because just to say my video with the 3rd gear launch the gear ratio is the same in 1st gear instead of 3rd gear the same thing would happen. I don't get how no one understands that. It makes perfect sense and is a valid point.

Did not mean to ignore you. Sorry didn't see your post at first.

Also have a question for you.
Your transmission may not be set in a power band.
And when you did the video did you have grip reduction setting set to "real" for as it offers the best physics of tires (this does matter depending on track surface)

Just because you explained it doesnt mean your right.

I tried scaffs explaination and used my wheel with and without force feedback the test with made the car and wheel turn a bit when i tried without force feedback no steer the car went straight as a arrow.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Sorry but that's not torque steer doing that with a wheel in GT5, its FFB.

GT5 pushes every bit of suspension travel through to the FFB, including low-speed damper travel (which it shouldn't), as a result what is pulling the car off to the side with a wheel is not torque steer but FFB. Its the exact same issue that pulls cars off line at higher speed in GT5 (once again incorrectly).

The FFB in GT5 is turning the steering wheel, which is then truning the driven wheels (the wrong way around for torque steer) rather than the torque differential between the driven wheels turning the steering wheel (the right way around for torque steer).

It may result in what feels like torque steer (which you may be OK with), but its occurring for the wrong reasons and is not a product of correctly modeled physics.

Either turn off the FFB on the wheel or use a controller to see what effect torque steer is having on FWD cars, because if its modeled correctly (which I have not found it to be) you should experience it without any FFB (which means turning it off or using a controller).

The examples I posted yesterday were done in just that way, a controller with no steering input and a first gear wide open throttle launch (a launch within the power band is not required to get torque steer in a FWD car in reality, my Alfa will do it quite happily on wide open throttle in 1st or 2nd gear).

Never really cared about the front wheel drive cars anyway. Maybe you're right about that part

So just to be sure I've got this right, torque steer is in GT5 but it only happens on certain cars when they've been modified and have a certain transmission set up.

No i was explaining that there's torque steer in GT5 but it's not as drastic as it should be.

Just because you explained it doesnt mean your right.

I tried scaffs explaination and used my wheel with and without force feedback the test with made the car and wheel turn a bit when i tried without force feedback no steer the car went straight as a arrow.

Like i said earlier. If you keep denying that i have showed how torque steer has came into play. For the last time add me borrow the car and try it out. I honestly don't care anymore if you do or don't. But what's that old saying "don't knock it till you try it" because for instance. And couple friends walked into my lobby while the other friend was there and he was like O_o when i told him that people think there's absolutely no torque steer in GT5 and he is from forza.

Here's the video of all 3 of us.
My C63 black and gold one with the wing

My friend in the other C63 no wing (same stock suspension and lsd and he has a different transmission set up)

My other friend in the Aston Martin he put a stock suspension on for this video too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5RC5yGCp3w&feature=youtube_gdata_player

(sorry for the music my friend wanted me to)


But if you are not getting what i was pointing yet you will never will on this thread. Maybe you should just do what i have been asking so i can literally tell you. Instead of write words getting mixed around

 

[prymet1me]

Torque steer is not there. I have never understood why its so hard for some guys to accept GT5 does not simulate everything correctly. No reason this much discussion should be made when its only one person trying to prove a point that no one else can duplicate.

EDIT: Few years back when I owned a 95 Z28 with only a K&N intake mod and turned the trac control off that car would start pointing to the left every time I would launch hard wasting tires...and the power in that Benz is WAY more than that Z28's LT1 had.

 

[Terronium-12]

It's being knocked because you have several people, myself included, telling you that torque does not exist in GT5. Don't you find it weird that you're the only person claiming otherwise? Launching from 3rd and going into 4th and 5th in almost rapid succession isn't proper torque steer.

You putting up the same video with I don't care how many of your friends isn't going to change anything. It's not there, that's the end of it.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Torque steer is not there. I have never understood why its so hard for some guys to accept GT5 does not simulate everything correctly. No reason this much discussion should be made when its only one person trying to prove a point that no one else can duplicate.

I accept GT5 does not simulate everything correctly. I didn't say that it did. You are still obviously not listening or you don't care to listen to the point that i was trying to show. Here in big bold letters for you. I WAS POINTING OUT THAT GT5 DOES INFACT HAVE TORQUE STEER BUT IT IS NOT SIMULATED "CORRECTLY".
I am still amazed that you think i am on of those GT or Forza fanboys that are trying to hate on one or the other. And even when i am trying my best to be patient and actually let you first hand try the cars you come up with these stupid excuses why you're not going to try it.

It's being knocked because you have several people, myself included, telling you that torque does not exist in GT5. Don't you find it weird that you're the only person claiming otherwise? Launching from 3rd and going into 4th and 5th in almost rapid succession isn't proper torque steer.

You putting up the same video with I don't care how many of your friends isn't going to change anything. It's not there, that's the end of it.

Wrong it does exist. Maybe not with a stock car but it does exist. Until you do the simple task that would take 10 minutes to do. Which is add me try the car and done. If you can't even hope on the game to let me explain and show you. There is no point in you denying it or agreeing with it. Until you give me the benefit of the doubt don't tell me it doesn't exist.

I assume a lot of you are from forza or from both. Quite frankly it doesn't even matter. But in all reality what i have demonstrated is basically giving forza a thumb up.

But for the ones that won't actually come on the game and try it. And I'll even make more cars do it. And i am sure others will too. And you can see consecutively what i was saying about it not being simulated currently.

And do i find it weird that i am the only one saying that it's in the game? No i just have more patients probably then others. Because this whole time you are denying it and won't do what i ask so i can show you when i comes into play on GT5 and how it's not simulated correctly. You really shouldn't comment on what i say. I don't know what about that is so hard to do.

 

[Terronium-12]

Wrong it does exist. Maybe not with a stock car but it does exist.

You do realize this completely invalidates the rest of your supposed argument, right?

 

[prymet1me]

ORPHANTHIRTY7 I don't think you are anything, I just see a bunch of posts trying to validate something that is a little ridiculous. GT missed the mark on modelling torque steer correctly, just chalk it up as a miss. Also there is no allegiance to me, I honestly could care less what camp you support or prefer, I own FM 2,3 and 4 and owned GT2 and 3 for PS2 and owned GT5 until I found it more of a chore than a fun time and traded it in while it still had value.

The venom in you reply comes across as a guy a little to sensitive about a game, it does not do torque steer correctly man and you know what, that is ok.

 

[Lock2Lock]

You do realize this completely invalidates the rest of your supposed argument, right?

If you don't get my point i guess you never will. You quote me on one thing i have made a point you are not listening to it my patients has ran out. Stay in denial i don't care. I am done trying to explain something when you're not listening

ORPHANTHIRTY7 I don't think you are anything, I just see a bunch of posts trying to validate something that is a little ridiculous. GT missed the mark on modelling torque steer correctly, just chalk it up as a miss.

Now you are starting to get it

 

[Tornado]

What exactly is everyone joining a lounge you set up supposed to prove that setting a car to share as was suggested last night would not or your videos haven't already?

 

[Luminis]

If you don't get my point i guess you never will. You quote me on one thing i have made a point you are not listening to it my patients has ran out. Stay in denial i don't care. I am done trying to explain something when you're not listening

You're not exactly the person that should be talking about denial.

You've been continuously ignoring what people, first and foremost Scaff, who's got quite a bit of automotove knowledge and experience under his belt, have been telling you. You have yet failed to deliver any sort of evidence that isn't highly disputable. Whenever someone else tried to replicate yourr "experiments", for example Toronado, they failed to show anything. And, well, people even explained to you why you're getting these effects that you are falsly labeling as GT5's rendition of torque steer.

Best of all, whenever someone tells you to just repeat your little experiments in a way that would rule out all sorts of manipulation, may they be intentional or not, you just tell everybody to join your lobby - which would accomplish absolutely nothing.

Personally, I'm suprised that people are still willing to put up with that.

 

[Lock2Lock]

What exactly is everyone joining a lounge you set up supposed to prove that setting a car to share as was suggested last night would not or your videos haven't already?

Yep i could bet money that it will do the same thing in my video. Just try the car. Or cars

You're not exactly the person that should be talking about denial.

You've been continuously ignoring what people, first and foremost Scaff, who's got quite a bit of automotove knowledge and experience under his belt, have been telling you. You have yet failed to deliver any sort of evidence that isn't highly disputable. Whenever someone else tried to replicate yourr "experiments", for example Toronado, they failed to show anything. And, well, people even explained to you why you're getting these effects that you are falsly labeling as GT5's rendition of torque steer.

Best of all, whenever someone tells you to just repeat your little experiments in a way that would rule out all sorts of manipulation, may they be intentional or not, you just tell everybody to join your lobby - which would accomplish absolutely nothing.

Personally, I'm suprised that people are still willing to put up with that.

How would having the car not demonstrate what i was pointing out? And i am sorry that it SEEMED like i was ignoring people. This whole thing was a huge argument over nothing. And tornado didn't do exactly what i said. And i was not ignoring scaff i was actually agreeing with him. But anyway i am done with these assumptions if you want to try what i was talking about PM me. Done with this. I proved my point and you are arguing something different and trying to say that i am saying something different (whether it's my wording or not) something are better said than written.

 

[Tornado]

That doesn't answer my question in the slightest. I can already watch you do what you think is torque steer. You've shown me a video of it. How will joining your lounge and watching you apparently replicate it mean anything for when I try to replicate it?

 

[Terronium-12]

If you don't get my point i guess you never will. You quote me on one thing i have made a point you are not listening to it my patients has ran out. Stay in denial i don't care. I am done trying to explain something when you're not listening.

Yes, I'll stay in denial about...the facts? Is that what I'm in denial about?

 

[Lock2Lock]

That doesn't answer my question in the slightest. I can already watch you do what you think is torque steer. You've shown me a video of it. How will joining your lounge and watching you apparently replicate it mean anything for when I try to replicate it?

I am about to go to work... When i get home i will send you the car. PM me you online id.

 

[MagpieRacer]

This is hilarious to watch.

 

[Luminis]

How would having the car not demonstrate what i was pointing out?

Maybe because what was demosntrated wasn't actually torque steer? you know, like Scaff explained to you a few posts ago?

 

[Samus]

Quite simply if the underlying physics that causes torque steer was included in GT5 it would happen on every car that you would expect it to, stock. The fact you have so far only shown it on one car and with very specific settings suggests it isn't torque steer you're experiencing.

Because at the moment what you're saying so far is basically the same as saying GT5 models wet weather grip levels but only on a few cars. If the physics are really there it should affect all cars (As wet weather indeed does) as they all use the same physics engine.

 

[thelvynau]

Quite simply if the underlying physics that causes torque steer was included in GT5 it would happen on every car that you would expect it to, stock. The fact you have so far only shown it on one car and with very specific settings suggests it isn't torque steer you're experiencing.

Because at the moment what you're saying so far is basically the same as saying GT5 models wet weather grip levels but only on a few cars. If the physics are really there it should affect all cars (As wet weather indeed does) as they all use the same physics engine.

Im getting tired of explaining what so many other people have stated i dont think orphan will get it.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Its nothing like it should be if the only way to get it is to use higher gears with ratios they wouldn't normally have (and that don't work in 1st).

A moderately powerful RWD car should not have to have this done to it to generate torque steer from launch.



And are these cars stock and starting from 1st gear?

If not then it pretty pointless and once again I'm surprised that you actually found torque steer in the FWD in the past as no one else has.



Even without modifications the C63 AMG should exhibit torque steer, its weight (which is about the same as a small house) will dial it down a lot, but it should still not take off in a straight line. A car of this type (and many others) should not need to be stripped out, be running full engine mods, have gear ratios adjusted and launched from 3rd/4th gear just to get torque steer.


I thinks its also important to keep in mind that even with all this done the tyres in GT5 still do not hook-up as they should do, and are still just spinning and then eventually gripping once the right gear is reached to reduce the torque. The feeling of the rubber interacting realistically to the track surface is still not present, rather its still feels like the physics engine is just waiting for the right numbers to match and then givings you traction.

What it means is that GT5 doesn't model torque steer (correctly*).

*Only if it exists, which it does, according to you.

I'd be interested in seeing a video of you trying to correct this torque steer of the line.

PS: Should this be in the physics thread, and not the discussion thread? I'd imagine things will be more organized that way for the sake of discussing.


Here's a video of me accelerating (from vaguely 0) to 200 km/h.



As you can see, there was absolutely no steering input used to correct torque steer (I use a wheel, BTW).

I can also post a video from a complete standstill, with a wheel, when time permits.

Sorry but that's not torque steer doing that with a wheel in GT5, its FFB.

GT5 pushes every bit of suspension travel through to the FFB, including low-speed damper travel (which it shouldn't), as a result what is pulling the car off to the side with a wheel is not torque steer but FFB. Its the exact same issue that pulls cars off line at higher speed in GT5 (once again incorrectly).

The FFB in GT5 is turning the steering wheel, which is then truning the driven wheels (the wrong way around for torque steer) rather than the torque differential between the driven wheels turning the steering wheel (the right way around for torque steer).

It may result in what feels like torque steer (which you may be OK with), but its occurring for the wrong reasons and is not a product of correctly modeled physics.

Either turn off the FFB on the wheel or use a controller to see what effect torque steer is having on FWD cars, because if its modeled correctly (which I have not found it to be) you should experience it without any FFB (which means turning it off or using a controller).

The examples I posted yesterday were done in just that way, a controller with no steering input and a first gear wide open throttle launch (a launch within the power band is not required to get torque steer in a FWD car in reality, my Alfa will do it quite happily on wide open throttle in 1st or 2nd gear).

Never really cared about the front wheel drive cars anyway. Maybe you're right about that part



No i was explaining that there's torque steer in GT5 but it's not as drastic as it should be.



Like i said earlier. If you keep denying that i have showed how torque steer has came into play. For the last time add me borrow the car and try it out. I honestly don't care anymore if you do or don't. But what's that old saying "don't knock it till you try it" because for instance. And couple friends walked into my lobby while the other friend was there and he was like O_o when i told him that people think there's absolutely no torque steer in GT5 and he is from forza.

Here's the video of all 3 of us.
My C63 black and gold one with the wing

My friend in the other C63 no wing (same stock suspension and lsd and he has a different transmission set up)

My other friend in the Aston Martin he put a stock suspension on for this video too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5RC5yGCp3w&feature=youtube_gdata_player

(sorry for the music my friend wanted me to)


But if you are not getting what i was pointing yet you will never will on this thread. Maybe you should just do what i have been asking so i can literally tell you. Instead of write words getting mixed around

After reading those posts above and read about the torque steer issue on GT5 here in some pages of this thread. I would like to have a say, and I don't mean to cause further debate just clarification.

I was curious about torque steer in the game, so I decided to get in touch with OrphanThirty7, he was very helpful, and kind enough to explain in details when I was in his online lounge.
I just want to tell my experience when OrphanThirty7 explained everything, he showed me step by step to tune the car in his lounge, watched him do it, then I did it myself.
With controller, no steering input, just full throttle launch in 1st gear, the car I tested spun itself due to torque steer. We did this at Top Gear Test Track main straight, the car is Corvette Z06 C5'04 Premium.

The Corvette was mildly modified, ECU, all Intake, Supercharger, and full transmission - 519hp. For the the gearing simple steps really :

reset the ratio to default,
set top speed to max ( 440)
change 1st all the to the left (2.500)
change final all the way to the left (2.000)


Another alternative tune that I experimented is to use stock Corvette Z06 C5'04 - oil change - 414hp, no mods except full transmission, reset to default, set 1st to 2.732, then final 2.200. It will have torque steer on full throttle launch in 1st gear with comfort hard.

That's it, and this actually can be done both online and offline practice, with grip reduction real, tire wear optional and comfort hard tire. Also, road surface plays huge part for the torque steer effect, elevation, camber and bumps are contributing factors.

For offline, it will be a bit harder to pull due to physics differences.


I can send the Corvette, if anyone want to try online himself, or tune your own car like I described above.

The way I see it, torque steer does happen, but the tire model limitation hinders/prevent it from actually happening in most circumstances ( low power, and gearing), the changes from grip to slip is too abrupt, which is why the transmission ratio helped a lot to make the torque effect standout. I guessing this can be done to most cars in GT5, so experiment with variety of cars.

 

[thelvynau]

After reading those posts above and read about the torque steer issue on GT5 here in some pages of this thread. I would like to have a say, and I don't mean to cause further debate just clarification.

I was curious about torque steer in the game, so I decided to get in touch with OrphanThirty7, he was very helpful, and kind enough to explain in details when I was in his online lounge.
I just want to tell my experience when OrphanThirty7 explained everything, he showed me step by step to tune the car in his lounge, watched him do it, then I did it myself.
With controller, no steering input, just full throttle launch in 1st gear, the car I tested spun itself due to torque steer. We did this at Top Gear Test Track main straight, the car is Corvette Z06 C5'04 Premium.

The Corvette was mildly modified, ECU, all Intake, Supercharger, and full transmission - 519hp. For the the gearing simple steps really :

reset the ratio to default,
set top speed to max ( 440)
change 1st all the to the left (2.500)
change final all the way to the left (2.000)

Another alternative tune that I experimented is to use stock Corvette Z06 C5'04 - oil change - 414hp, no mods except full transmission, reset to default, set 1st to 2.732, then final 2.200. It will have torque steer on full throttle launch in 1st gear with comfort hard.

That's it, and this actually can be done both online and offline practice, with grip reduction real, tire wear optional and comfort hard tire. Also, road surface plays huge part for the torque steer effect, elevation, camber and bumps are contributing factors.

For offline, it will be a bit harder to pull due to physics differences.

I can send the Corvette, if anyone want to try online himself, or tune your own car like I described above.

The way I see it, torque steer does happen, but the tire model limitation hinders/prevent it from actually happening in most circumstances ( low power, and gearing), the changes from grip to slip is too abrupt, which is why the transmission ratio helped a lot to make the torque effect standout. I guessing this can be done to most cars in GT5, so experiment with variety of cars.

I tried it based on what orphan stated and came up with nothing ill see if scaff managed to duplicate it.

 

[Lock2Lock]

After reading those posts above and read about the torque steer issue on GT5 here in some pages of this thread. I would like to have a say, and I don't mean to cause further debate just clarification.

I was curious about torque steer in the game, so I decided to get in touch with OrphanThirty7, he was very helpful, and kind enough to explain in details when I was in his online lounge.
I just want to tell my experience when OrphanThirty7 explained everything, he showed me step by step to tune the car in his lounge, watched him do it, then I did it myself.
With controller, no steering input, just full throttle launch in 1st gear, the car I tested spun itself due to torque steer. We did this at Top Gear Test Track main straight, the car is Corvette Z06 C5'04 Premium.

The Corvette was mildly modified, ECU, all Intake, Supercharger, and full transmission - 519hp. For the the gearing simple steps really :

reset the ratio to default,
set top speed to max ( 440)
change 1st all the to the left (2.500)
change final all the way to the left (2.000)

Another alternative tune that I experimented is to use stock Corvette Z06 C5'04 - oil change - 414hp, no mods except full transmission, reset to default, set 1st to 2.732, then final 2.200. It will have torque steer on full throttle launch in 1st gear with comfort hard.

That's it, and this actually can be done both online and offline practice, with grip reduction real, tire wear optional and comfort hard tire. Also, road surface plays huge part for the torque steer effect, elevation, camber and bumps are contributing factors.

For offline, it will be a bit harder to pull due to physics differences.

I can send the Corvette, if anyone want to try online himself, or tune your own car like I described above.

The way I see it, torque steer does happen, but the tire model limitation hinders/prevent it from actually happening in most circumstances ( low power, and gearing), the changes from grip to slip is too abrupt, which is why the transmission ratio helped a lot to make the torque effect standout. I guessing this can be done to most cars in GT5, so experiment with variety of cars.

After reading those posts above and read about the torque steer issue on GT5 here in some pages of this thread. I would like to have a say, and I don't mean to cause further debate just clarification.

I was curious about torque steer in the game, so I decided to get in touch with OrphanThirty7, he was very helpful, and kind enough to explain in details when I was in his online lounge.
I just want to tell my experience when OrphanThirty7 explained everything, he showed me step by step to tune the car in his lounge, watched him do it, then I did it myself.
With controller, no steering input, just full throttle launch in 1st gear, the car I tested spun itself due to torque steer. We did this at Top Gear Test Track main straight, the car is Corvette Z06 C5'04 Premium.

The Corvette was mildly modified, ECU, all Intake, Supercharger, and full transmission - 519hp. For the the gearing simple steps really :

reset the ratio to default,
set top speed to max ( 440)
change 1st all the to the left (2.500)
change final all the way to the left (2.000)

Another alternative tune that I experimented is to use stock Corvette Z06 C5'04 - oil change - 414hp, no mods except full transmission, reset to default, set 1st to 2.732, then final 2.200. It will have torque steer on full throttle launch in 1st gear with comfort hard.

That's it, and this actually can be done both online and offline practice, with grip reduction real, tire wear optional and comfort hard tire. Also, road surface plays huge part for the torque steer effect, elevation, camber and bumps are contributing factors.

For offline, it will be a bit harder to pull due to physics differences.

I can send the Corvette, if anyone want to try online himself, or tune your own car like I described above.

The way I see it, torque steer does happen, but the tire model limitation hinders/prevent it from actually happening in most circumstances ( low power, and gearing), the changes from grip to slip is too abrupt, which is why the transmission ratio helped a lot to make the torque effect standout. I guessing this can be done to most cars in GT5, so experiment with variety of cars.

I thank you for actually taking time to join and let me explain what i was saying. Like i said sometimes things get mixed up in writing. That's why i am glad you took the time to allow me to explain on the game with a Mic because it offers a better first hand experience. And appreciate you exploring further as i had with making the car do it in first gear. Which like i explained that one of the problems in GT5 is the gearbox and tires seems to be the main problem.

I tried it based on what orphan stated and came up with nothing ill see if scaff managed to duplicate it.

I will be even happy with Scaff or you guys coming on and seeing what i was talking about i can duplicate the car to him so he can see. I just think from the way this whole decision has been. Probably the best way is to meet up and just do testing on it.

 

[Samus]

After reading those posts above and read about the torque steer issue on GT5 here in some pages of this thread. I would like to have a say, and I don't mean to cause further debate just clarification.

I was curious about torque steer in the game, so I decided to get in touch with OrphanThirty7, he was very helpful, and kind enough to explain in details when I was in his online lounge.
I just want to tell my experience when OrphanThirty7 explained everything, he showed me step by step to tune the car in his lounge, watched him do it, then I did it myself.
With controller, no steering input, just full throttle launch in 1st gear, the car I tested spun itself due to torque steer. We did this at Top Gear Test Track main straight, the car is Corvette Z06 C5'04 Premium.

The Corvette was mildly modified, ECU, all Intake, Supercharger, and full transmission - 519hp. For the the gearing simple steps really :

reset the ratio to default,
set top speed to max ( 440)
change 1st all the to the left (2.500)
change final all the way to the left (2.000)


Another alternative tune that I experimented is to use stock Corvette Z06 C5'04 - oil change - 414hp, no mods except full transmission, reset to default, set 1st to 2.732, then final 2.200. It will have torque steer on full throttle launch in 1st gear with comfort hard.

That's it, and this actually can be done both online and offline practice, with grip reduction real, tire wear optional and comfort hard tire. Also, road surface plays huge part for the torque steer effect, elevation, camber and bumps are contributing factors.

For offline, it will be a bit harder to pull due to physics differences.


I can send the Corvette, if anyone want to try online himself, or tune your own car like I described above.

The way I see it, torque steer does happen, but the tire model limitation hinders/prevent it from actually happening in most circumstances ( low power, and gearing), the changes from grip to slip is too abrupt, which is why the transmission ratio helped a lot to make the torque effect standout. I guessing this can be done to most cars in GT5, so experiment with variety of cars.

I'm sorry but if you have to specifically tune and upgrade the car and do it on a certain track it's really not torque steer you're experiencing, it's something else.