His point is much like yours actually.. It's his opinion of what he wants.. why must you shoot him down for saying he likes something that you don't?
People don't have to justify why they want something over something else.
GT5 Track textures (56K WARNING)
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His point is much like yours actually.. It's his opinion of what he wants.. why must you shoot him down for saying he likes something that you don't?
People don't have to justify why they want something over something else.
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And that's my point too. It seems that T10 paints tire marks around just to liven a track up. And then there are unfinished tracks like NISSAN Speedway which have almost no skidmarks, and the track becomes a pattern of repeating texture tiles when you race. And all the tracks are too smooth, except for small sections of some tracks like Sebring. The Nurb is not only too smooth, but as wide as a four lane hiway in F2, and it looks to be the same in F3.
Some people have problems if GT or Polyphony look better than Forza or Turn 10.
But there is the simple matter of preference too. Suppose someone prefers B-Spec Bob to Forza 1's drivatar. I can see their point to an extent, especially if they spell it out. Personally I think the Drivatar is a brilliant idea, and I called for something like that here on the boards years ago. It does seem like T10 does scour our boards for ideas many times.
But what I don't get are people who abuse logic and reality, such as saying, "Those reflective tracks in Prologue aren't realistic at all," when I've had to deal with dazzling glare from the setting or rising sun shining right into my face. Or "Those tire squeals aren't realistic at all," when they most certainly are. My Supra sounds almost exactly like the sounds in GT4 and Prologue when I push it around a turn on V rated sports tires. And this is especially appalling when someone prefers the grumbling sounds of F2, which sound like a massive truck or SUV, even on tiny cars like a Miata.
Preference is one thing, but torturing a point is another.
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I dont understand why people are comparing GT5 to Forza 2. Forza 3 comes out in October and if you think the Forza 2 graphics looked good they are nothing compared to Forza 3. 
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I dont understand why people are comparing GT5 to Forza 2. Forza 3 comes out in October and if you think the Forza 2 graphics looked good they are nothing compared to Forza 3.
Are you already getting ready to crank out some custom cars Forza 3 style?
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Amazing how people have different eyes.
GT5p and real life:
Man...could GT5p look any more clean and glossy? It's like they took a Zamboni around the track laying down armor all. I like how the FM track resembles the wear, the skid marks, grain, bumps.
I agree completely with you. The trees are so different in both videos, there are many more in GT5
, though that may be due to date differences, I'm not sure.Thanks for proving my earlier point. You guys have to keep comparing GT5
to Forza 2 just not be hit by reality, which is that GT5 is not perfect. But you keep comparing it to Forza 2 just to feel it is, and to not listen to the game's flaws.I don't know what you were expecting me to say, but no matter how many problems Forza, Forza 2, or Forza 3 had/will have, you can't change the fact that not having damage in all cars in GT5 is questionable, and rushed.
For the last time, GT5
's graphics are overall better than Forza 2's, but Forza 2's are still better in certain, though limited, aspects. That's all I'm saying.I was not the one that brought Forza 2 into the discussion, but the OP.
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Why must I be shot down?
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Frankly, I don't agree with you. A few skid textures on a track don't make graphics any better. F3, we'll see.For the last time, GT5
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I wont compare GT5Thanks for proving my earlier point. You guys have to keep comparing GT5
off-screen photos/screencaps anymore with Forza 3 until we finally get proper in-game (not touched up/photomode) material, or at least photomode pics from GT5.Everytime i do this i get "man that GT pic is touched up" even when using direct feed screencaps. Im also tired of that stupid "FM3 tracks look better than GT5s" while all the trackside textures are a blurry mess, without proper grass on them, 2D tree splines that always "look" in your direction, overdone, blocky, geometry and so on.
Im also annoyed from the constant "GT5 tracks are bland and boring" argument.
Just look at the F1 Suzuka comparison, where does the track look more bland than the real one, where?
Sorry, i will end this here, its getting really tiresome.
Just one more thing: I dont say FM3 looks bad (its looks good, which was not the case with FM2) and i know that GT5P isnt perfect.
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It makes it more realistic than if it didn't have any, at least. A track without skid marks? Not realistic. A track with many, many skid marks? It's in the realm of the possible, at least.
G.T.Ace, you are right about all that. But in the end of the day, people keep comparing GT5 to something else than real life. Just how often do we see GT5 pics compared with Forza pics? This thread is an example of that one.
I will end it here too, because it's pointless to go on if people don't listen to my explanations.
It makes it more realistic than if it didn't have any, at least. A track without skid marks? Not realistic. A track with many, many skid marks? It's in the realm of the possible, at least.
G.T.Ace, you are right about all that. But in the end of the day, people keep comparing GT5
to something else than real life. Just how often do we see GT5 pics compared with Forza pics? This thread is an example of that one.I will end it here too, because it's pointless to go on if people don't listen to my explanations.
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GT5p has got skid marks on the track, which was pointed out earlier in this thread with photo's of GT5p track surfaces.
The FM2 pictures on the first post look a little desaturated to me, but I don't know if it's like that in the game. And where there is grass on the real pics on alot of areas, the FM2 pics have alot of sand instead of grass.
The FM2 pictures on the first post look a little desaturated to me, but I don't know if it's like that in the game. And where there is grass on the real pics on alot of areas, the FM2 pics have alot of sand instead of grass.
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@L: Of course people compare GT5 with other things than real life, its a game.
And there are MANY real life comparisons, also MANY in this thread and they all prove that the game is extremely close to real life, at least closer than any other racing game on the market, what is the reaction on this? "There are not enough skid marks on the tracks", yeah right.
If you like it more with overdone rubber on the track surface, fine, thats your opinion, does it make the game look more real? No.
with other things than real life, its a game.And there are MANY real life comparisons, also MANY in this thread and they all prove that the game is extremely close to real life, at least closer than any other racing game on the market, what is the reaction on this? "There are not enough skid marks on the tracks", yeah right.
If you like it more with overdone rubber on the track surface, fine, thats your opinion, does it make the game look more real? No.
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For me, since I don't go to these tracks in real life, I have no issues what-so-ever with how any game interprets the tracks, as long as they don't go over the top in making them look half interesting, I'm happy..
And tracks 'change' in real life, sometimes slightly re-modelled, re-surfaced, buildings change, grandstands change, trees change (
), time of year and foliage etc, etc..
So really, as long as the track itself is relatively accurate, has the curves and main 'features/bumps' in the right places, that'll do me! I actually prefer them to be a little less boring then real life, but possibly not quite as loud as I've seen in NFS Shift!
And tracks 'change' in real life, sometimes slightly re-modelled, re-surfaced, buildings change, grandstands change, trees change (
), time of year and foliage etc, etc.. So really, as long as the track itself is relatively accurate, has the curves and main 'features/bumps' in the right places, that'll do me! I actually prefer them to be a little less boring then real life, but possibly not quite as loud as I've seen in NFS Shift!
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Well, if you think it's realistic to have skid marks strewn around willy nilly where there probably wouldn't be any, I'm glad it gives you warm feelings. However, it's funny that you never mention unfinished tracks in F2 like NISSAN Speedway which have very few skidmarks at all, and hardly an uneven surface to be found, or the four lane highway T10 call the Nurburgring Nordschleife.
But anyway, maybe F3 will bring world peace.
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Hopefully GT5 and FM3 bring world peace.
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For me, since I don't go to these tracks in real life, I have no issues what-so-ever with how any game interprets the tracks, as long as they don't go over the top in making them look half interesting, I'm happy..
And tracks 'change' in real life, sometimes slightly re-modelled, re-surfaced, buildings change, grandstands change, trees change (
So really, as long as the track itself is relatively accurate, has the curves and main 'features/bumps' in the right places, that'll do me!
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Is that a mountain rage in the lower pic for forza?
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Is called different time day.Amazing how people have different eyes.
GT5p and real life:
Man...could GT5p look any more clean and glossy? It's like they took a Zamboni around the track laying down armor all.
I love the 'Best Motoring' look that PD give to its tracks, a sunny morning day looks spectacular and very dynamic, much better than a dull low contrast light.
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How? Right now we're comparing Prologue to F2, and they're pretty much the same age.
Also I like the more vibrant and saturated, yet very clean and fresh look of GT5 more than those washed-out graphics of Forza or GRiD.
Also I like the more vibrant and saturated, yet very clean and fresh look of GT5 more than those washed-out graphics of Forza or GRiD.
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Forza1 (Xbox) = Forza2 (X360)?
They jumped on me about the same Thing Zer0
I questioned why Forza 2 had 350 cars, but Forza 3 only had 400 cars, why just a 50 car jump in 2 years.
Turns out that Forza 2 = Forza 1.5, Windows 2000, ugly red headed step child or whatever you want to call it
Forza 2 was a game that used Forza 1 assets, like a Gran Turismo HD type game, basically Forza 1 from the original Xbox ported to the 360 but upscaled and touched up.
For Forza 3 Turn 10 scraped all the Forza 2 car models and started over from scratch to produce decent looking (at least in photomode) cars.
In the end, basically, Forza 2 is a Xbox game disguised a 360 game so Turn 10 could beat PD to the market by many months and steal a portion of the console sim racing fan base. But just like rushing the 360 to launch it had terrifying consequences, the RROD with the 360 and a host of bugs and problems with Forza 2.
It's all fair and dandy if they want to say Forza 2 wasn't a real 360 game and shouldn't be compared to GT5, but please, please do not scoff at the 4 year wait for GT5 when the wait for a PROPER Forza has been just as long.
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But that's not the reason to blame us for comparing - blame Turn 10. We just take what we have, saying "it's just a Forza 1.5" isn't an excuse - it's like incriminating yourself.
Of course when the full game comes out we'll start on comparing GT5 vs. F3.
Of course when the full game comes out we'll start on comparing GT5 vs. F3.
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I thought Turn 10 have defended the number of cars by saying they want to spend the money where it counts (getting the cars you really want to drive) and getting the full damage licenses etc? It might be a cop out (like KY saying they are just testing the water to see whether people really want a damage option) but it does make sense to a point, especially considering Turn 10 probably doesn't have quite the budget PD does to aquire licenses...
I would certainly like to see more cars, but I didn't unlock all the cars even in Forza 1 and I do agree with the ideal of focusing on all the aspects before worrying about adding size.
I always felt win2000 was the first real solid OS to not bear the NT name in the title... I would think the red headed step child was Millenium...
So wait... if they scrapped forza 2 to make forza 3, doesn't that actually mean forza 3 has only really been in production for about 2 years, not 4?
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Wide car choice is also an aspect
True, was also going to point out this mistype.
Meh, no excuses. PD had TT, GT PSP etc. too. And they seem to have the upper hand now, given the fact that PS3 is about 1 year younger than the 360.
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Well, you are right there. It will be 2.5 years from Forza 2 to Forza 3, and if the Q4 release date for GT5 holds up it will be 4.5 years from GT4 to GT5
400 cars from Turn 10 in 2.5 years, 1,000 from PD in 4.5 years. Sounds nearly even. We'll have to wait and see about the track count.
BTW, check out these stunning road textures from Forza 3's LeMans. GT5 sure has a long way to go before it's road textures match Forza 2's, let alone the beastly, hyper real road textures of Forza 3
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Umm that road textures looks like someone painted a road with gray water-color paint.
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Wide car choice is also an aspect
Well I just get the feeling that car collection seems to be a primary focus of the GT series... perhaps at the cost of other gameplay areas..
True... but it's not like PD wasn't planning GT5 before GT4 even hit shelves (this is just how it goes with games and consoles) and TT was awful close to GT just with different rules and layout and GT PSP remains to be seen but seems like it's development was large parts - port gt4 - and - license the same things you will be licensing for GT5. The idea being that both actually served somewhat as parallel development and maybe even development tools/practice for GT5... in any event not really getting in the way of GT5 so much.
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