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Sorry guys, completely lost track of time, I'm still down the hospital so won't be racing, sorry again for the late notice
GTRA | RSeat WSGTC S3 | Round 4 | Nürburgring GP/F | German GT
- Thread starter Litchi
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- AceIce84
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Can we get a 100% confirm on this then? I was frantic about qualifying last night because nobody said for sure if NTSC deadline was to be extended.
I just KNEW this was going to happen, so now I'm not going to hold my tongue...
I was not the one that disconnected; Overheating disconnected while watching me qualify. I continued on with my 4 laps as normal and Overheating rejoined at the end of my 4th lap. I saved the replay but, of course, he could not. We had a little discussion about how it really wasn't ideal when re-running a hot lap that I would have 1 out lap and then a hot lap when the lap that I was to make up was lap 3. I said that my tires may be at a better temp for lap 3 and thus I would be getting gipped of possibly my faster qualifying lap. I maintained that I should get two out laps and then ONLY count the 3rd for it to be realistically fair. I figured I wouldn't get that benefit and that I would have to take the best of two 2nd lap runs, so I ran another qualifier with the understanding that I would get 1 out lap and 1 hot lap. I ran the full 4 laps as I normally would, just in case.
Here are the times that I ran and I can post videos of either session if I have to:
Session 1 (Overheating disconnected 20 seconds into lap 3):
1) 2:11.493 out
2) 2:03.542 hot 1
3) 2:03.368 hot 2
4) 2:03.602 cool
Session 2
1) 2:10:986 out
2) 2:03.301 hot 1
3) 2:03.368 hot 2
4) 2:04.705 cool
Strangely enough my 3rd lap was the same for both runs, but my 2nd lap on my new run was the fastest. I submit that I shouldn't be punished to only have ONE of my qualifying laps count when I didn't disconnect during my qualifying run, and certainly not the worst of all the laps. This is big for me as I would be the GT300 pole sitter if it weren't for this mess. I'll post whatever videos I need to validate my qualification.
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- Glass Village
- OK8_
Didn't really think of tyre strategy at all (hardly even practiced, same setup as spa with shortened gears) which made for some exciting calculus in the middle of the race.
First stint was difficult as I was trying to overtake Biffy when he lost it and spun into me giving me big frontal damage (the steering wheel was straight in a \ angle). At this point I hadn't realised that the only good strategy would be a 2 stopper so I pitted a bit too early, 12 laps in. During my second stint I figured the strategy out and summoned all my will to make those tyres last, and after 15 laps the tyres were absolutely finished (the rear broke loose in the fast right hander before the bus stop). After this I changed to mediums and really started giving it the beans, but got a bit overconfident when trying to overtake OFCTARANTO and got stuck in the sands of time. After I had caught OFCTARANTO again he lost it in front of me giving me damage again, but luckily it was really light.
Eventually I caught up with Widow and we ran many laps within sight of each other but the small Lexus coloured spec in my rear view mirror was getting bigger and bigger each lap. On the 2nd to last lap Widow made a mistake in the bus stop which forced me to slow down a bit and it initiated a fierce battle between me and Biffy. My heart was pounding like crazy but luckily I managed to hold it.
All in all I'm content with the result though the race was a bit frustrating because this isn't a particularily NSX friendly track. Looking forward to next week.
First stint was difficult as I was trying to overtake Biffy when he lost it and spun into me giving me big frontal damage (the steering wheel was straight in a \ angle). At this point I hadn't realised that the only good strategy would be a 2 stopper so I pitted a bit too early, 12 laps in. During my second stint I figured the strategy out and summoned all my will to make those tyres last, and after 15 laps the tyres were absolutely finished (the rear broke loose in the fast right hander before the bus stop). After this I changed to mediums and really started giving it the beans, but got a bit overconfident when trying to overtake OFCTARANTO and got stuck in the sands of time. After I had caught OFCTARANTO again he lost it in front of me giving me damage again, but luckily it was really light.
Eventually I caught up with Widow and we ran many laps within sight of each other but the small Lexus coloured spec in my rear view mirror was getting bigger and bigger each lap. On the 2nd to last lap Widow made a mistake in the bus stop which forced me to slow down a bit and it initiated a fierce battle between me and Biffy. My heart was pounding like crazy but luckily I managed to hold it.
All in all I'm content with the result though the race was a bit frustrating because this isn't a particularily NSX friendly track. Looking forward to next week.
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- RFLXWidowmaker
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OK8
I'd run out of fuel and tried to give you the line. Failed royally with that... lol
lol hectic. I watched that fall into my hands and I was just thinking yes yes yes as I slipped through the middle after the chicane and took OK8 at the last corner. He had the draft though and got in front, which was all he needed to do. I was following him very closely through each corner on that last lap, but the only real chance to pass would be on the straights, in which that NSX would just power away from me. Sorry for the damage as well, although it was a real challenge to just keep the car in a straight line after the damage I got from you earlier on, no thanks to Stretchy beaching himself on the green stuff
3rd race in a row I've had damage, just not my luck 
May or may not do a report tomorrow, we'll see..
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- Wardez
- Wardez
There needs to be a new rule set in place to supplement qualifying in case the host himself disconnects. I wrote one up for an old series but there absolutely needs to be a ruling for WSGTC.
In this case, Graham's qualifying steward disconnected during his run.
If I were him, being extremely experienced with our type of qualifying, I would've simply backed out of the qualifying if no one else was in the room since a steward needs to observe the entire run.
So the rule should be, basically, that if a steward disconnects at any time during a driver's run then the driver needs to re-run their session.
Graham should be allowed a new run.
Only in the case where there are two stewards observing and only one drops then the remaining steward can effectively take over stewardship of the session and report the time.
In the case where there is only one steward in the room and he disconnects but other drivers are there as well then a re-run is still needed since the other drivers aren't qualified or authorized observers.
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- RedReevos / GTP_RedReevos
Instead of re-running the whole thing..
Can't Graham just post his replay file. It should be easy enough to check his second flying lap to confirm cleanliness. Wouldn't this be the simplest method?
But regardless, in this situation, I would think one of his .3xx laps should count. Most likely his .368 (Either one of them
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Can't Graham just post his replay file. It should be easy enough to check his second flying lap to confirm cleanliness. Wouldn't this be the simplest method?
But regardless, in this situation, I would think one of his .3xx laps should count. Most likely his .368 (Either one of them
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overheating
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We essentially did get him a full second run. I was under the impression that the first hot lap, I watched the entire lap, would count. I offered to him that he should not get any more or less qualifying laps than anybody else, therefore he should get an out lap and a hot lap. His argument was for tires sake, if he got two out laps and one hot lap his tires would be the same temp/wear as it would in a normal run. Either way, I was only going to mark down one more hot lap.
If you took his initial run...he has pole. If you look at run 2 hot lap 2 he has pole. If you look at run 2 as a whole, he has pole. Any way I look at it, GrahamTurismo has P1.
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Agreed.
I think the only reason Litchi ruled against it in the beginning.. is because I think he had the impression that Graham disconnected on the second flying lap.
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- Wardez
- Wardez
Doesn't matter at all what position the time's in contention for, all that matters is that the entire session itself must be observed, not just one lap.
The confusion here seems to be coming from the set of rules already in place in the event of a driver disconnect. Only in that circumstance is running partial re-runs applicable.
If a steward misses even one second of the qualifying, the driver has full right to choose between either running again or upload a replay and have the steward confirm that the replay shows the qualifying run in question.
The confusion here seems to be coming from the set of rules already in place in the event of a driver disconnect. Only in that circumstance is running partial re-runs applicable.
If a steward misses even one second of the qualifying, the driver has full right to choose between either running again or upload a replay and have the steward confirm that the replay shows the qualifying run in question.
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- twistedfirework
Provisional points for GT300
Paginas..33...30+3
GTP_CICUA..28...25+3
Moleman..28...21+3+3+1
NEPALII..21...18+3
Johnkiller2..20...12+3+2+3
Filip_Ovik..19...16+3
GTP_JOSH-F..18...14+3+1
C-Falcon89..15...10+3+0+2
Jashugan01..11...8+3
Byggy..10...7+3
GTP_twist..9...6+3
GV27..8...5+3
First number totalpoints...race points+completion bonus+qualifying bonus+fastest lap bonus.
These points are all provisional. The ballast is confirmed.
Ballast to be added for round 4
GTP_CICUA 80kg
NEPALII 60kg
Paginas 40kg
Moleman 30kg
Johnkiller2 20kg
GV27 20kg
Paginas..33...30+3
GTP_CICUA..28...25+3
Moleman..28...21+3+3+1
NEPALII..21...18+3
Johnkiller2..20...12+3+2+3
Filip_Ovik..19...16+3
GTP_JOSH-F..18...14+3+1
C-Falcon89..15...10+3+0+2
Jashugan01..11...8+3
Byggy..10...7+3
GTP_twist..9...6+3
GV27..8...5+3
First number totalpoints...race points+completion bonus+qualifying bonus+fastest lap bonus.
These points are all provisional. The ballast is confirmed.
Ballast to be added for round 4
GTP_CICUA 80kg
NEPALII 60kg
Paginas 40kg
Moleman 30kg
Johnkiller2 20kg
GV27 20kg
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- twistedfirework
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Sorry for the damage as well, although it was a real challenge to just keep the car in a straight line after the damage I got from you earlier on, no thanks to Stretchy beaching himself on the green stuff
Yeah I wondered what happened there. Suddenly everyone braked and I hit you and someone hit me but luckily I didn't get any damage so I forgot about the whole incident.
All race I was hoping we could just turn left after the bus stop, forget about this gp nonsense and go race the nordschleife.
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- Moieman
Could have gone better but picked up as many points as possible really!
First stint managed to pull a little gap away from pole, had a 2-3 second gap throughout, until about Lap 6, when my rear tyres were just about starting to get worn. Wouldn't normally be a problem, but I had set my car up relying heavily on the rear of the car, abusing the rear tyres really - I tested long runs on the medium compound, but not on the hard compound when I should have. From about lap 6 of each stint on the hard tyre, the car was a mess, because the reliance on the rear tyres was now non-existent.
So, had to change from a 2-stop to a 3-stop because lap times were suffering terribly.
Second stint, just pushed very hard. I think most of the people I had to pass knew I was on a different strategy so made passing quite easy for me I think, although I had a grip advantage too. I managed in this stint to get a 28 second (pit stop) gap, down to 18, so I thought it could be possible to win.
Third stint, still hard tyres, but managed to only get the 18 second gap down to 15! I don't know why, perhaps the leaders (Pagi and Cicua) were playing sensible and putting in quicker laptimes than the first stint. But from there I knew 1st or 2nd was out of the question unless one of them made a mistake.
I still had a lot of work to do to get 3rd though. Went onto the medium tyre for my last stint, and still had the same 15 second gap to the lead trio of Nepalii, Paginas and Cicua. I knew Nep was on extremely old tyres though, so expected his tyres to fall apart in the closing few laps, so I pushed hard to close the gap as quickly as possible. Eventually caught a defenceless Nepalii half way through the final lap to steal a podium.
Disappointed to still not have a win though, thought today would be the day! I need to sort tyre wear issues, I think it comes down to using a DS3 - anyone want to buy me a wheel? I'm quicker with a wheel
First stint managed to pull a little gap away from pole, had a 2-3 second gap throughout, until about Lap 6, when my rear tyres were just about starting to get worn. Wouldn't normally be a problem, but I had set my car up relying heavily on the rear of the car, abusing the rear tyres really - I tested long runs on the medium compound, but not on the hard compound when I should have. From about lap 6 of each stint on the hard tyre, the car was a mess, because the reliance on the rear tyres was now non-existent.
So, had to change from a 2-stop to a 3-stop because lap times were suffering terribly.
Second stint, just pushed very hard. I think most of the people I had to pass knew I was on a different strategy so made passing quite easy for me I think, although I had a grip advantage too. I managed in this stint to get a 28 second (pit stop) gap, down to 18, so I thought it could be possible to win.
Third stint, still hard tyres, but managed to only get the 18 second gap down to 15! I don't know why, perhaps the leaders (Pagi and Cicua) were playing sensible and putting in quicker laptimes than the first stint. But from there I knew 1st or 2nd was out of the question unless one of them made a mistake.
I still had a lot of work to do to get 3rd though. Went onto the medium tyre for my last stint, and still had the same 15 second gap to the lead trio of Nepalii, Paginas and Cicua. I knew Nep was on extremely old tyres though, so expected his tyres to fall apart in the closing few laps, so I pushed hard to close the gap as quickly as possible. Eventually caught a defenceless Nepalii half way through the final lap to steal a podium.
Disappointed to still not have a win though, thought today would be the day! I need to sort tyre wear issues, I think it comes down to using a DS3 - anyone want to buy me a wheel? I'm quicker with a wheel
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- Trajikone
done 👍
I think there has to be a limitation to this rule though, If a second run is required because of disconnect, the second run is it.
If a steward saw the first flying lap and the driver is ok with it, i say cool (lap1 good, lap2 - DC)
If a second session is run, there is no going back to that previous session if session 2 is slower.
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