GTRA | RSeat WSGTC S3 | Round 5 | Indy Road | American GT

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Good discussion and it clarifies things moving forward.

What is the postion in the future if a driver gets disconnected between the races. Will he be able to joint the sprint race. Obviously its possible to leave the lobby, do something with the car, reenter the room, state you got disconnected even if you just left it.

Personally I think that driver should be able to join the sprint race after a HP/weight/PP check, even if it is for all practical reasons the same as entering the settings menue. At least for the GT300, I'm not aware of any way where you can cheat by doing above. The only thing not allowing entering the settings menu does is removing the hassle of checking every car twice.
 
Sail IC
Good discussion and it clarifies things moving forward.

What is the postion in the future if a driver gets disconnected between the races. Will he be able to joint the sprint race. Obviously its possible to leave the lobby, do something with the car, reenter the room, state you got disconnected even if you just left it.

Personally I think that driver should be able to join the sprint race after a HP/weight/PP check, even if it is for all practical reasons the same as entering the settings menue. At least for the GT300, I'm not aware of any way where you can cheat by doing above. The only thing not allowing entering the settings menu does is removing the hassle of checking every car twice.
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I am starting to think we may have to do things a little differently.
Maybe we should allow people to do as they please between races. Just set a 10 minute time limit to the start of the sprint. At the end of the sprint re-do the checks, anyone who fails thechecks or disconnects will be DQ'd from the results.
I am not sure if this is the answer or not, but it seems to be coming a problem.
Any thoughts?
 
Yes definitely that should be the way to go Twist.

Also, for next season, no more dual heat BS. I'm so over it by now it's not even funny. One day, one race.
 
Wardez
Yes definitely that should be the way to go Twist.

Also, for next season, no more dual heat BS. I'm so over it by now it's not even funny. One day, one race.
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I agree.
For me all the sprint races do is increase the workload. I also think we should change the Monaco race from a dual heat to a same class feature race.
 
It is really simple:

You can use the options menu whenever, this allows you to select starting tyres.

Stay away from everything else.

How can anyone be in doubt about this, at this point of the season? Honestly I can only find it suspicious.

Disconnects and other special issues is up to the host to handle. IMHO the host was a little on the friendly side. I am sure we all understood the problem, but opening that bag means anyone can put up a bad excuse for going into settings, and eventually we will have to run full checks between races, while it is supposed to be just be a short break. We already have enormous amounts of waiting time and delays, do not add to it.

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Edit: Haha, twisted and wardez are fast on their keyboards, the above 3 posts happened while I was typing...
 
Turn 12: Make sure to stay inside the solid white line. DO NOT go outside it with more than 2 wheels.

Can someone explain to me the thinking behind this rule?
 
Wardez
Yes definitely that should be the way to go Twist.

Also, for next season, no more dual heat BS. I'm so over it by now it's not even funny. One day, one race.
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Even if its a bit premature to discuss next season, but if we should move to an Open PP regulation (as in GT500), we would only need to check PP rather than all three as now. Also, instead of a ballast penalty system we could move to a PP penalty system. Would make it a lot simpler and faster.
 
Go in setting page between feature and sprint is definitively a NO.
Why? Cause you lost hp after feature. Increase your HP for the sprint race isn't fair for guys who don't go in the settings page.
And re-do the checks for all guys is a loss of overtime.
 
Well with the reg's solely relying on PP for performance measurement then that's the only natural way to go.

Winner's weight just isn't a great way to go. I'd rather leave it up to the driver in how they'd like to penalize themselves, either aero reduction, weight increase, or hp loss. Adds another interesting bit of play to the game.

@Supersic
I have to admit, I've always thought it was pretty arbitrary as well. There's no way to gain speed by going THAT wide. It was just there from season one in order to keep in consistency with the strict following of track boundaries and white lines (like the pit entrance and exits)

The touch of realism I guess.
 
Litchi
Go in setting page between feature and sprint is definitively a NO.
Why? Cause you lost hp after feature. Increase your HP for the sprint race isn't fair for guys who don't go in the settings page.
And re-do the checks for all guys is a loss of overtime.
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This is a good reason to do the sprints first then now that I think about it...

but I don't know if that would be a good idea to change now with everything being set in place the way it is.
:dunce:

Anyway, if you allow every one to do the same thing (increase their HP back to spec') then doing another set of checks would be annoying, but arguably worth the extra bit of time. The hosts should be good at shooting through checks by now anyway right?
 
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SuperSic
Turn 12: Make sure to stay inside the solid white line. DO NOT go outside it with more than 2 wheels.

Can someone explain to me the thinking behind this rule?
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I would say its because it marks the boundaries for the road course. Beyond that is the speedway. Although no time can be made it should still be upheld unless forced out in a race.



A sprint race first is probably not good cause the feature is worth more points. Qualifying helps you. Then next race is reverse grid.
 
No you're totally right about the sprint race, really have no idea what I was on about besides the whole inspection aspect.

The only way to make it, sprint race first, work is to start it with a reverse grid according to qualifying then go as regularly for the feature. But that's just ridiculous D: I'm gonna sleep now.

But hey I'm not totally full of hot air. Check your PM box will, and check out the instructions soon or you'll be missing out!
 
Wardez
This is a good reason to do the sprints first then now that I think about it...

but I don't know if that would be a good idea to change now with everything being set in place the way it is.

Anyway, if you allow every one to do the same thing (increase their HP back to spec') then doing another set of checks would be annoying, but arguably worth the extra bit of time. The hosts should be good at shooting through checks by now anyway right?
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The current way is the best imho. Or least bad ;)

The break between feature and sprint should only be short. If everyone goes into settings and we do full checks it will take another half hour. At least one person will go out for oil change and have rejoin problems etc etc. I just say: NO! :)

I agree the GT300's should be PP-based like the 500's, we just ran out of time with the specs.

Ballast could be converted to PP decrease as well, but that requires some thought. GT300 car specs range from 530pp to 548pp, so should we just subtract a finite number of pp's, or a percentage, like, up to 3%?
 
btw, PAL GT500 Prov. Results

Feature Race:

r4feature.jpg


Sprint Race:

r4sprint.jpg


Best laps:

tony1311 - 1:27.350
Litchi - 1:28.166
OK8_ - 1:28.349
 
twistedfirework
@ByGGy : with NEPALII at the nurburgring, it wasn't a balance issue,he didn't apply enough ballast. he had the chance to correct his ballast but he insisted that his ballast was correct and the specs were wrong. As for this week, I did notice that people entered their options menu, not the settings menu. The problems for concern were johnkiller2 entering the settings menu, although I wouldn't of allowed it, the host said it was ok. This was a mistake. C-Falcon entered the garage menu which should be a DQ, I did mention it at the time, but then I have to move away from the ps3. Scanny disconnected and came back to the room. Everyone else was fine. It is ok to enter the options menu, just not the garage or settings.
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There's actually no rule on entering the garage menu, but now that you mention it, there should be.

On the grounds of Nepalii, it was lucky his putting too little ballast on his car changed PP,(5kg usually doesn't)
There's a difference between not doing something and simply not getting caught.

If I have off this Friday and can make it, (and there's room) I'll be in the PAL GT300 room this week. Tired of hearing these happenings.
 
Not going to garage is just so blindingly obvious imho that nobody ever thought it necessary to spell out.

What valid reason could you possibly have? The only reason I see is switching to a car with better specs. Cheating, in other words.
 
The GTRA threads are currently hosting stupid-complexic-ridiculous debates. Get over yourselves pros.
 
Ballast figures for next round:

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For stewards, the complete car specs sheet is updated (we could share it if someone else wants to have a look).
 
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cicua
Not going to garage is just so blindingly obvious imho that nobody ever thought it necessary to spell out.

What valid reason could you possibly have? The only reason I see is switching to a car with better specs. Cheating, in other words.
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I never thought of it. Sometimes what seems blatantly obvious needs saying.

Also, PP checks are supposed to be done before the second heat for GT500's, and we were supposed to do HP checks before the second heat in GT300's.
It seems we went too long without doing them, I know in preseason we usually didn't bother because it was just preseason.

Edit: I also agree there's no reason to ditch the system and re-do all checks between races, every single driver here knows not to enter the tuning screen between races. So he who does, clearly does not care if he is disqualified. So be it, I say.
 
CSLACR
It's 150KG ballast max isn't it?
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The maximum ballast per car will be 140kg
Ballast will be removed 20kg at a time for finishes outside the top 4 point scorers

Copied from the ballast rules. 👍
 
twistedfirework
The maximum ballast per car will be 140kg
Ballast will be removed 20kg at a time for finishes outside the top 4 point scorers

Copied from the ballast rules. 👍
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Weird, since I don't recall that oddball number ever being mentioned.:confused:

I know I'm a bit OC with numbers, but 140? What a seriously strange number to pick.:odd:
:lol:
 
140kg was the figure recommended by Denilson. It may of even been 120kg, I can't remember exactly. All the figures were in the draft that I had sent to you and litchi and asked for feedback before posting.
 
I don't see why you can't just go all the way to the full 200kg. If he keeps finishing top 4 then keep giving him weight until there isn't anymore to add! :lol:
 
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