Israel - Palestine discussion thread

[F1jocker12]

Hamas makes an unprovoked rocket attack on innocent civilians and Israel justifiably retaliates but it's, "crazy individuals on both sides". To any sane person, the crazy individuals are the ones firing the rocket trying to kill innocent civilians to start the exchange.

This kind of stupidity will never happen in Canada, not as long as Mr. Harper is Prime Minister. But if it ever does come this way, I'll seek out Israeli labels and buy their products.

Mr. Harper calls a spade a spade:

Israeli military experts feel that Hamas is not looking to escalate the situation along its border with Israel, however Israel does hold Hamas responsible for any and all rocket attacks into Israel. - See more at: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news...-from-rocket-attack.html#sthash.T9Si3ERI.dpuf

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/194489#.VTpcgiFViko

for the canadian citizens
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/organizations-government-criminalize#sthash.9AgzvtNe.dpuf

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Do you want to know about real heroes, people who put their successful cariers on the line in the name of peace and humanitarism? Well... we know them and we admire their work...

John Legend

https://twitter.com/johnlegend/status/494348347164344320

John Cusack

https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/490358874243756033

Mia Farrow

https://twitter.com/MiaFarrow/status/494505868004978688

Mario Balotelli

https://twitter.com/FinallyMario/status/489890074809487361

Javier Barden and Penelope Cruz

signed, together with other celebrities, an open letter accusing Israel of "genocide".

The letter read: "Gaza is living through horror these days, besieged and attacked by land, sea and air. Palestinians' homes are being destroyed, they are being denied water, electricity, free movement to their hospitals, schools and fields while the international community does nothing."

Alongside them are singer Rhianna, director Zayn Malik, Houston Rocket's NBA star Dwight Howard, soccer player Joey Barton and actress Selena Gomez.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gaza-strip...ort-palestinians-israel-gaza-conflict-1459376

Many other celebrities are strongly opposing Israels policies in the Occupied Territories and supporting the Palestinians.
Christiano Ronaldo, Whoopi Goldberg, physicist Stephen Hawking, Amar Stoudemire, Emma Thompson, Gianluigi Buffon, Roger Waters (Pink Floyd), Jon Stewart, Rod Schneider, Anthony Bourdain, Rosie O'Donnell, Mark Rufallo, Dustin Hoffman, Meg Ryan, Danny Glover, Stevie Wonder and yes... even Kim Kardashian (!).

Celebrities supporting Israel - Joan Rivers (deceased), Jon Voight, Howard Stern, Bill Mahrer, Simon Cowell and Scarlett Johansson - this is a funny one -

In February 2014, (Roger)Waters criticized the popular American actress Scarlett Johansson for supporting Israel, posted that on his Facebook page, saying: “Scarlett, you are undeniably cute, but if you think Soda Stream is building bridges towards peace you are also undeniably not paying attention”

*Soda Stream is an Israeli multinational company specialized in manufacturing carbonated beverages.

http://www.trueactivist.com/pro-palestine-and-pro-israel-celebrities/

@squadops

They do have classes where children are taught to, and how to, read the labels on every single product... Go to the nearest school and ask a principal about it...

 

[Blitz24]

And those people have no idea what the meaning of the word "genocide" is.

 

[Johnnypenso]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/194489#.VTpcgiFViko

for the canadian citizens
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/organizations-government-criminalize#sthash.9AgzvtNe.dpuf

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Do you want to know about real heroes, people who put their successful cariers on the line in the name of peace and humanitarism? Well... we know them and we admire their work...

John Legend

https://twitter.com/johnlegend/status/494348347164344320

John Cusack

https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/490358874243756033

Mia Farrow

https://twitter.com/MiaFarrow/status/494505868004978688

Mario Balotelli

https://twitter.com/FinallyMario/status/489890074809487361

Javier Barden and Penelope Cruz

Alongside them are singer Rhianna, director Zayn Malik, Houston Rocket's NBA star Dwight Howard, soccer player Joey Barton and actress Selena Gomez.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gaza-strip...ort-palestinians-israel-gaza-conflict-1459376

Many other celebrities are strongly opposing Israels policies in the Occupied Territories and supporting the Palestinians.
Christiano Ronaldo, Whoopi Goldberg, physicist Stephen Hawking, Amar Stoudemire, Emma Thompson, Gianluigi Buffon, Roger Waters (Pink Floyd), Jon Stewart, Rod Schneider, Anthony Bourdain, Rosie O'Donnell, Mark Rufallo, Dustin Hoffman, Meg Ryan, Danny Glover, Stevie Wonder and yes... even Kim Kardashian (!).

Celebrities supporting Israel - Joan Rivers (deceased), Jon Voight, Howard Stern, Bill Mahrer, Simon Cowell and Scarlett Johansson - this is a funny one -
http://www.trueactivist.com/pro-palestine-and-pro-israel-celebrities/

@squadops

They do have classes where children are taught to, and how to, read the labels on every single product... Go to the nearest school and ask a principal about it...

So celebrities with twitter accounts are the real heroes?

Before I investigate anything on the international scene, I'll be sure and check Scarjo and Kimye's twitter accounts and facebook pages from now on

Just so you know, for future reference and all, I will not click on any of your links, unless you include a brief synopsis of a paragraph or so, in your own words, so that I know what your intent is for posting the link.

 

[F1jocker12]

And those people have no idea what the meaning of the word "genocide" is.

If somebody tells you how "the enemies" of Israel want to obliterate that country from the face of the earth, remember Rabbi Raoul Weiss and his words.



Or you pretend knowing better that the Jews themselves now?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Or you pretend knowing better that the Jews themselves now?

That's a strange card to play. "Jews are the final authority on the world's view of anything that involves Jews".

 

[Tornado]

That's a strange card to play. "Jews are the final authority on the world's view of anything that involves Jews".

"But only the Jews who agree with me, of course."

 

[F1jocker12]

That's a strange card to play. "Jews are the final authority on the world's view of anything that involves Jews".

The Jewish society is well divided and struggles because of strong and aggressive debating and arguing on all sides. With that being said, the complicated religious aspect with powerfull social implications inside jewish communities, is playing a significant role in their day by day life.

The point this Rabbi makes is rooted into their religious views, or some will say interpretations, but makes a different point. Besides that, he speaks about jewish minorities inside different arab countries. And on top of that, he curiously mentions how the religious legacy for jews is NOT to have their own state for a very specific reason.

Touching on "provoking antisemitism" with zionism, makes total sense analysing the last 7 decades dynamics in the Middle East.

The only side which gets media coverage in the West is the one that's suggesting how Israel's neighbours want Israel's obliteration, without offering a logical reason, other than muslim extremism, which is absurd as long as, if you want to be totally impartial and have all the cards on the table, you will need to consider jewish extremism as well, and its consequencies.

In order to understand the jewish "paradox" you need to listen to the jews explaining how zionists are wrong. I am not saying agree with them, I am saying listen, and then use simple logic.

You simply cannot repeat zionistic propaganda, which the westerners got indoctrinated with for years, and ignoring what amazingly other jews are saying, only because their argument is different.

 

[Johnnypenso]

The Jewish society is well divided and struggles because of strong and aggressive debating and arguing on all sides. With that being said, the complicated religious aspect with powerfull social implications inside jewish communities, is playing a significant role in their day by day life.

That's the way things work in a democracy, you get discussion on all sides without having to fear being thrown off a building or hung from a tree. The rest of the Middle East ought to try it sometime and you might find a few dissenting opinions about the Palestinians arising from that kind of freedom.

The only side which gets media coverage in the West is the one that's suggesting how Israel's neighbours want Israel's obliteration, without offering a logical reason, other than muslim extremism, which is absurd as long as, if you want to be totally impartial and have all the cards on the table, you will need to consider jewish extremism as well, and its consequencies.

Hogwash. Western media covers both sides of the conflict and Palestinians are not routinely referred to as "muslim extremists", that's usually reserved for radical muslims trying to kill random people. We are well aware of the distinction between muslim extremists and Palestinians, although at times both are referred to as terrorists when trying to deliberately target random people not directly involved in a conflict which, curiously, many Palestinians do not support.

Here are some of the more well known examples of Western Media misreporting in favour of the Palestinians

In order to understand the jewish "paradox" you need to listen to the jews explaining how zionists are wrong. I am not saying agree with them, I am saying listen, and then use simple logic.

No I don't actually. It's just one man's opinion, based on a book written 2000 years ago. I don't routinely refer to 2000 year old books when trying to figure out what is happening on the ground in 2015. He is free to do so, as the Pope is free to talk about homosexuality, gay marriage, abortion etc. in the context of the bible, that doesn't make him right either, nor I have I ever put extra weight on his opinions in the matters at hand.

 

[F1jocker12]

I looked to our government to see what sort of imports we're talking about for the U.S., possibly their biggest spender. This is what I found.

This is what is happening in US

This past Tuesday Senator Cardin introduced an AIPAC-backed amendment to a trade bill that seeks to thwart the growing boycott, divestment, and sanctions (BDS) movement.

The amendment in the House, which was introduced by Representative Peter Roskam, was attached to this year’s Trade Promotion Authority bill. The amendment sets as a principle negotiating objective “to discourage politically motivated actions to boycott, divest from, or sanction Israel and seek the elimination of politically motivated non-tariff barriers on Israeli goods, services, or other commerce imposed on the State of Israel.”

Now

As written, the legislation also conflates Israel with the Occupied Palestinian Territories and directly contravenes decades of official U.S. policy.

And some jews are not happy with that

In a statement released by Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP), Rabbi Joseph Berman, JVP’s Federal Policy Organizer noted that:
“This legislation, which actually encourages illegal settlement building while strengthening the far right in Israel, shows that BDS is an increasingly powerful means to challenge Israel’s impunity when it comes to Palestinian rights. We urge Congress to reject this legislation.

Also

Even J Street chimed in to oppose the proposal also saying that the legislation defends Israeli settlement building. The J Street statement reads in part:

J Street is adamantly opposed to the Global Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) Movement. We’ve worked consistently, particularly on college campuses, to oppose BDS efforts that are often thinly-veiled attempts to delegitimize Israel.

We view the Roskam-Vargas “U.S.-Israel Trade and Commercial Enhancement Act” (H.R.825) as not simply unhelpful to the effort to combat Global BDS, but contrary to longstanding US policy opposing settlement of the territory occupied by Israel in the 1967 Six Day War.

from http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/legislation-targeting-movement
long but super interesting legislation debate at
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/61462629 starts at 1,07,00

 

[Blitz24]

I hope you realize that the people behind BDS are quite violent as well if you disagree with them.

 

[F1jocker12]

quite violent as well if you disagree with them

Can you elaborate on this?

Here is the BDS website
http://www.bdsmovement.net/

Here is Wikpedia page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions

 

[Blitz24]

Sorry, was thinking of SJP, not BDS.

 

[Johnnypenso]

This is what is happening in US


Now


And some jews are not happy with that


Also


from http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/legislation-targeting-movement
long but super interesting legislation debate at
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/61462629 starts at 1,07,00

There is no question or coherent message in this post, just series of links. If you have a point to make you should state it clearly and perhaps you'll get some discussion out of it. Again I'll point out, dissent and discussion is what happens in a democracy, get used to it.

 

[Blitz24]

Some don't believe in Israel as a state should exist until the time of the redemption. That's possibly where the rabbi and the others' viewpoints are coming from.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Some don't believe in Israel as a state should exist until the time of the redemption. That's possibly where the rabbi and the others' viewpoints are coming from.

Clearly. It's also just one man's opinion.

 

[squadops]

This is what is happening in US

Now

And some jews are not happy with that

Also

The U.S. is in the habit of passing trade legislation that benefits Americans, are you surprised? Some Jews may not be happy but I'm sure Israel is. I think the Bill will be passed with the amendment included, it's importance is large enough for those apposed to accept it.

Some don't believe in Israel as a state should exist until the time of the redemption. That's possibly where the rabbi and the others' viewpoints are coming from.

Quite a few of them actually, The Haredim in Israel remind me of the Amish in the U.S., however there is a much more vocal group considerably smaller in number called The Neturei Karta. I think their leader Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss is the one we see in F1jocker12's video.

Here is a link giving their exact reasoning.

 

[F1jocker12]

Quite a few of them actually, The Haredim in Israel remind me of the Amish in the U.S., however there is a much more vocal group considerably smaller in number called The Neturei Karta. I think their leader Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss is the one we see in F1jocker12's video.

I think this guy is Dovid's son.
Thank you for the posted link. If you pay attention to the religious message, it is clear how Zionism is considered poison even by jews themselves.
From here it will be easy to identify, only by listening to the message, what a speaker will reffer to when talking about the existence of Israel.
There is a big difference between ignorance (not knowing the social and the religious aspects of jewish society or Middle East realities) and the "conspiratoid" will to destroy the Israel as a nation by a military attack. Do not forget how Israel is the most heavily (by far) armed country in the Middle East, technologically advanced nation.

The U.S. is in the habit of passing trade legislation that benefits Americans, are you surprised? Some Jews may not be happy but I'm sure Israel is. I think the Bill will be passed with the amendment included, it's importance is large enough for those apposed to accept it.

Again... I will not be so sure. BDS is real and actively working inside US. If you carefully listen to what is being said, the Bill is meant to counterbalance the EU initiative to boycott the settlers products. Essentially ,US needs a negotiating "tool" for blocking EU, and the entire thing was started by one of the former Israeli ambassadors to US. Whatch the video of the legislation session http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/61462629 (1:07:00 to 1:40:00)
Besides the idiotic "antisemitic=anti Israel" label of the source, I will offer you a map with Colleges and Universities where BDS campaignes are endorsed or have succeded
http://www.amchainitiative.org/unviersity-map/

You can click on every marker for more info.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I think this guy is Dovid's son.
Thank you for the posted link. If you pay attention to the religious message, it is clear how Zionism is considered poison even by jews themselves.

You mean "some jews". And disagreement is not "poison", it's just disagreement. Those who live in Israel and feel that a Jewish State should not exist until the time of redemption are also free to leave..but I don't see any mass emigration happening do you?

There is a big difference between ignorance (not knowing the social and the religious aspects of jewish society or Middle East realities) and the "conspiratoid" will to destroy the Israel as a nation by a military attack. Do not forget how Israel is the most heavily (by far) armed country in the Middle East, technologically advanced nation.

What a shocker. A tiny nation, surrounded many times their own population of sworn enemies who won't even admit that they exist, and ....and is the most technologically advanced and heavily armed military in the region. Total shock I say.

 

[Blitz24]

You mean "some jews". And disagreement is not "poison", it's just disagreement. Those who live in Israel and feel that a Jewish State should not exist until the time of redemption are also free to leave..but I don't see any mass emigration happening do you?

What a shocker. A tiny nation, surrounded many times their own population of sworn enemies who won't even admit that they exist, and ....and is the most technologically advanced and heavily armed military in the region. Total shock I say.

Isn't a person saying Zionism is poison then directly saying that the Jewish people should not have a country to call home?

 

[squadops]

Again... I will not be so sure. BDS is real and actively working inside US. If you carefully listen to what is being said, the Bill is meant to counterbalance the EU initiative to boycott the settlers products. Essentially ,US needs a negotiating "tool" for blocking EU, and the entire thing was started by one of the former Israeli ambassadors to US. Whatch the video of the legislation session http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/61462629 (1:07:00 to 1:40:00)
Besides the idiotic "antisemitic=anti Israel" label of the source, I will offer you a map with Colleges and Universities where BDS campaignes are endorsed or have succeded
http://www.amchainitiative.org/unviersity-map/

You can click on every marker for more info.

Actually the bill is meant to ...

To establish congressional trade negotiating objectives and enhanced consultation requirements for trade negotiations, to provide for consideration of trade agreements, and for other purposes.

It's meant to speed trade deals through Congress and give the President the power he needs to finish and implement TPP.

You really need to read your links a little more closely as these BDS campaigns are loosing ground rapidly in schools across the country. I took the time to look at some of the campus trackers your link provides and found schools ending up against BDS not for it. It appears the site includes any school on their map based on whether the subject has been brought up on campus or not rather than if the school student body supports it. Nice try lol

The divestment strategy seems to be a real bust for the BDS movement this year.

Besides losing a large percentage of the divestment votes that have come up in recent months, BDS supporters have employed a range of “dirty tricks” to try to sneak their measures through student governments.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/05/15/divestment-losses-piling-up-for-bds/

 

[F1jocker12]

Actually the bill is meant to ...

It's meant to speed trade deals through Congress and give the President the power he need to finish and implement TPP.

You really need to read your links a little more closely as these BDS campaigns are loosing ground rapidly in schools across the country. I took the time to look at some of the campus trackers your link provides and found schools ending up against BDS not for it. It appears the site includes any school on their map based on whether the subject has been brought up on campus or not rather than if the school student body supports it. Nice try lol


http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/05/15/divestment-losses-piling-up-for-bds/

If you want to understand the Bill, listen to the video legislation debate... the official version wont touch on the actual strong reason to pass it. It will be official evasive language.

Notice how the BDS map is posted on a anti BDS website, which is informing the jewish students about potential BDS movement. Other than the map, that website will do exactly what you are saying. Instead of trying to proove how the "source" is wrong, again, use simple logic.

Relatively off topic.
Most of the GTP this thread readers or commentators think jews are not leaving Israel. I beg to differ..

Not only have one million Israelis left in the past 20 years, but there is also a rush among those left behind to get a foreign passport. Sixty per cent of Israelis, it is claimed, have made contact with foreign embassies to apply for passports.

Around 100,000 Israelis already hold German passports; most are believed to be the descendants of German Jews who left the country before, during or after the Holocaust. Half-a-million Israelis are thought to hold dual US-Israeli citizenship; the US Immigration Department is dealing with 250,000 applications from Israelis for Green (residence) Cards and American citizenship.

Most Israelis apparently justify their migration on the basis of looking for a "better" life, even though the economic situation in Israel is good. Since almost 40 per cent of Israeli citizens were born outside the country in any case, migration is not such a big issue. Security is often cited as the main reason; it may not be too bad at the moment but they want a more stable and secure future

Although the Israeli government is alarmed at the number of Jews leaving the supposedly "Jewish state", it does not want to highlight the issue in case it encourages others to make the move.

The Israeli leadership recognises that the Zionist project was built on two key requirements: the seizure of Palestinian land and bringing in as many Jews as possible to settle on the land. In the light of recent data, however, it looks as if net immigration is falling. This could be the beginning of the end in Israel's demographic battle against the indigenous Palestinians.

from https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/a...israelis-rushing-to-leave-the-qpromised-landq

People do not leave for material reasons only. They may think that they are emigrating because life in Berlin is cheaper than in Tel Aviv, apartments easier to find, salaries higher. But it is not only the strength of the attraction of foreign lands that counts – it is also the strength or weakness of the bond to the homeland.

Today, when presenting his passport, an Israeli feels no such pride. He may feel a sense of contrariness (“us against the whole world”), but he or she is conscious of his country being considered by many as an apartheid state, oppressing another people. Every person abroad has seen countless photos of heavily armed Israel soldiers confronting Palestinian women and children. Nothing to be proud of.

This is not a subject anyone ever speaks of. But it is there. And it is bound to get worse.

Jewish Israelis are already a minority in the country ruled by Israel, from the Mediterranean to the Jordan. The majority of subjects deprived of all rights is growing by the year. Oppression will necessarily grow. The image of Israel throughout the world will get worse. Pride in Israel will fade.

Young Jewish Americans are no longer proud of Israel. Some of them are ashamed.

I have campaigned for decades to exchange Zionist theology for a simple Israeli patriotism. Perhaps the time has finally come to do so – after turning Israel into a country we can be proud of again.

from http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/10/18/why-are-so-many-jews-leaving-israel/

Recent reports of young Israelis leaving the country, especially to destinations like Berlin, have sparked concerns.

According to World Bank figures, some 350,000 Israelis currently live overseas, the overwhelming majority in North America. Karasenty said this figure only takes into account individuals born in Israel and, therefore, tends to underestimate the phenomenon.

Despite recent reports that “tens of thousands” of Israelis were relocating to Berlin, Karasenty estimated that the actual number was somewhere between 6,000 and 12,000.

Do not fool yourself.... Little by little and not reported, Jews are leaving Israel.

 

[squadops]

If you want to understand the Bill, listen to the video legislation debate... the official version wont touch on the actual strong reason to pass it. It will be official evasive language.

I don't want to understand the bill, I do understand the bill because I have read it. Evasive to what? It outlines Trade procedures in an easy enough to understand language.
Full text here

Notice how the BDS map is posted on a anti BDS website, which is informing the jewish students about potential BDS movement. Other than the map, that website will do exactly what you are saying. Instead of trying to proove how the "source" is wrong, again, use simple logic.

Simple logic, ok. Lets see the results of recorded school body votes last year, I know to you it doesn't mater if the vote is yes or no as long as there is a vote you see it as a win.

Below is an alphabetically organized list of the universities that considered divestment resolutions or referendums this year, including the results of these votes:

Arizona State University: Resolution was tabled indefinitely on March 18, 2014.
Cornell University: Resolution was tabled indefinitely on April 10, 2014.
DePaul University: A campus-wide referendum passed by a vote of 1,575-1,333 on May 23, 2014.
Loyola University: Resolution failed on March 27, 2014. The March 26th vote was 12-10-9 in favor but was vetoed by the student government’s president the following day.
San Diego State University: Resolution failed by a vote of 3-16-3 on April 23, 2014.
University of California, Davis: Resolution failed on May 8, 2014. The vote was 10-10 and the vice president, who had a potential tie-breaking vote, chose to abstain.
University of California, Los Angeles: Resolution failed by a vote of 7-5 on February 26, 2014.
University of California, Riverside: Resolution passed by a vote of 8-7-1 on April 23, 2014.
University of California, Santa Barbara: Resolution failed by a vote of 8-16-0 on April 23, 2014.
University of California, Santa Cruz: Resolution passed by a vote of 22-14 on May 27, 2014.
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor: Resolution failed by a vote of 9-24-5 on March 25, 2014.
University of Michigan-Dearborn: Resolution passed by a vote of 17-5 on March 28, 2014.
University of New Mexico: Resolution failed on April 2nd, passed on April 10th and was then overturned by the Graduate and Professional Student Association on May 10, 2014.
University of Washington: Resolution failed by a vote of 59-8 on May 20, 2014.
Wesleyan University: Resolution passed on May 4, 2014 (numbers unknown).

http://www.adl.org/israel-internati...ity/bds-on-american-college.html#.VT5h8tL2DUI

 

[F1jocker12]

I do understand the bill because I have read it

Read the underlined words in their consecutiveness logic

The nearly identical amendments require U.S. trade negotiators to “discourage politically motivated actions” by foreign countries and international organizations that aim to “penalize or otherwise limit” commercial relations with Israel or “persons doing business in Israel or in territories controlled by Israel.” The Senate Finance Committee took its action on Wednesday evening and the House Ways and Means Committee on Thursday evening.

from http://forward.com/opinion/306743/congress-backs-israeli-rights-war-on-settlement-boycotts/

In other words, if you want to trade with US, do not penalize Israel.

Here is the amendment. Date? April 21st 2015.

 

[squadops]

The amendment outlines an intent of negotiation, it's been added to the bill to encourage predecessors successors to continue trade agreements in the same spirit. Again, Here is the full text.

Maybe you are confusing this bill with another, or you don't know the difference between a bill and an amendment. Representatives Lamborn and Desantis introduced a separate bill with strong language, stating the U.S. will not award contracts to entities actively boycotting friends of the U.S.
Full text

 

[F1jocker12]

The amendment outlines an intent of negotiation, it's been added to the bill to encourage predecessors to continue trade agreements in the same spirit. Again, Here is the full text.

Maybe you are confusing this bill with another, or you don't know the difference between a bill and an amendment. Representatives Lamborn and Desantis introduced a separate bill with strong language, stating the U.S. will not award contracts to entities actively boycotting friends of the U.S.
Full text

My comment 1659

The amendment in the House, which was introduced by Representative Peter Roskam, was attached to this year’s Trade Promotion Authority bill. The amendment sets as a principle negotiating objective “to discourage politically motivated actions to boycott, divest from, or sanction Israel and seek the elimination of politically motivated non-tariff barriers on Israeli goods, services, or other commerce imposed on the State of Israel.”

You are confusing yourself while people are suffering harsh and illegal occupation.
It is a relatively small thing anyway, and I've went back to it because it shows the American position on the boycott issue.

 

[squadops]

I'm not confused, I'm pointing out that the amendment to the bill is not the focus or purpose of the bill. Right, so you agree.

 

[Tornado]

"Consecutiveness" is a word? Wow. This thread has taught me things.

 

[Johnnypenso]

If you want to understand the Bill, listen to the video legislation debate... the official version wont touch on the actual strong reason to pass it. It will be official evasive language.

Notice how the BDS map is posted on a anti BDS website, which is informing the jewish students about potential BDS movement. Other than the map, that website will do exactly what you are saying. Instead of trying to proove how the "source" is wrong, again, use simple logic.

Relatively off topic.
Most of the GTP this thread readers or commentators think jews are not leaving Israel. I beg to differ..



from https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/a...israelis-rushing-to-leave-the-qpromised-landq


from http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/10/18/why-are-so-many-jews-leaving-israel/

Do not fool yourself.... Little by little and not reported, Jews are leaving Israel.

You referenced this in the same post:

Not only have one million Israelis left in the past 20 years, but there is also a rush among those left behind to get a foreign passport. Sixty per cent of Israelis, it is claimed, have made contact with foreign embassies to apply for passports.

And this:

So if one million have left in the last 20 years, how are only 365,000 living abroad. Surely everyone that left Israel wasn't an senior citizen? Maybe the majority of them came back? Can you explain this discrepancy in your propoganda "data"?

If we use the 365,000 figure that means that's roughly 4.4% of the current population. Doesn't seem excessively high for citizens of a propserous "western" country that allows the free movement of it's citizens, especially a country with rockets flying overhead on a regular basis. Let's compare it to the opposite end of the spectrum, Canada. Peaceful, no one is trying to kill us, toughest neighbour in the world who loves us to death, zero fear of war coming to our soil, the world loves us to death etc.

2.8 million Canadians live abroad out of 35.344 million or 7.9% of Canadians. So in other words, many more Canadians live abroad proportionally than do Israeli's, in spite of our economic prosperity, social safety net, state run healthcare and no rockets flying overhead.

Weird eh? Sometimes stats only have meaning in a broader context. Try to think outside the box.

 

[squadops]

You referenced this in the same post:

I did?

 

[Johnnypenso]

I did?

Oops, hit quote on the wrong post. Fixed