Annexes its neighbours', steals their land, and regularly carries out extra-judicial imprisonments and executions?
That tracks...
To not be killed or invaded/annexed
No, most would settle for a viable two-state solution (and before you bang on about threats to 'wipe out Israel - ask yourself why that view has become so ingrained).
More meaningless nonsense.
That question would be what we call a double standard.
Don't answer a question with a question. If you don't know, acknowledge that.
I've been quite consistent in what should be expected of Arab states. Perhaps you can explain why you disagree?
How so?
Huh? I believe that it is because it is a Jewish state. Your view?
Perhaps you should explain exactly what you mean rather than talking in soundbites!
Seriously, you're calling for one side to stop attacking as if it's the sole aggressor here.
So your standpoint is that the source of the issue is simply that a Jewish state exists? That's it.
I think this is the long range strategic error Israel is making because that is an unachievable goal. Netanyahu sees his/Israeli's enemies as being static. If I kill these guys then the job is done. The mistake he's making is that the terror campaign Israel is waging on Hamas and Hezbollah, however abstractly justifiable that is and however tactically effective it is, is producing more future enemies within the collateral damage. It's just sustaining inevitable future conflict. The Netanyahu government doesn't seem to want peace, because their electoral viability depends on conflict, and in Netanyahu's case specifically probably his personal freedom too.
Syed's point, yes.
I don't think we should be providing any help to Israel. We should condemn the way they are going about their objective. We should, however, be siding with their aim.
I'm not sure where I got "moral clarity" from, and googling it says it's a conservative thing. Could you expand on why moral legitimacy is better?
Few reasons. There's always going to be antisemitism, and I'd imagine a Jewish land capable of defending itself is desirable when things get rough for Jews. As we have a refugee crisis one of the ideas to stem it is to make conditions in other lands more bearable so people want to stay in their country. I think you'll have more people wanting to stay in a more tolerant Israel and Palestine under a 2 state system rather than the destruction of Israel (I believe this is/was Hezbollah and Hamas's aim, I'm not sure if they've updated it) and whatever entity springs up in its place.
I'm not sure how? The organisations listed are found throughout the world and not just in Israel.
I'd take living under a Jewish state over an Islamic one 7 days out of 7, no guessing needed.
Maybe an example will help because I've tried to explain before. Why can't Arab nations have a relationship with Israel like this:
When Israel stop (and they should now), that should be the end. But it won't be. That's why Lebanon should seize this opportunity to rid itself of the cancer.
When has there not been an attack on Israel by some Arab group/nation since its founding?
So thats a no, you can't actually explain it yourself.Maybe an example will help because I've tried to explain before. Why can't Arab nations have a relationship with Israel like this:
Israel–Jordan relations - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Be specific, when Israel stop what.
Once again you've made this statement without explaining how.
The degree of ignorance this statement contains is mind-blowing.
One of those aims is the annexation of all Palestinian land and the effective remove of itscpeople, regardless of the collateral damage involved.
Dude....
Now explain, in your own words, why that works and how it can be used as a model for other nations. Be sure to cover any key differences that need addressing.Dude....
Why can't Arab nations have a relationship with Israel like this:
Israel–Jordan relations - Wikipedia
A safe and secure Israel and Palestine, although @Scaff has stated they want to annex all Palestinian land so I'm doing more research since I thought when writing it a 2 state solution could still be on the cards down the line even with the right-wing nut Netanyahu currently calling the shots.
True. It's something we should encourage.
Same with the UK....but the crisis is only going to get worse with instability and climate change.
I'm not sure I'm following. Eg, ISIS did have control of a region like @inCloud said
And would I be more at risk if I went outside right now in West London displaying that or
That was worded wrong. It should be "a safe and secure Israel plus a separate, Palestinian state."
I'm currently going over a debate on whether Iran having nukes could be a good thing for the region
At the present moment, I'm much more likely to get a violent reaction by displaying one of those. With the rise of Christofascism in the USA this could change, but the difference seems to be that this response fluctuates throughout history in Western nations whereas it has always been the case in Islamic countries and even the most extremely violent events can be met with approval by a sizeable minority in Western countries.
True, currently it does.
While it's current leadership is being extremely blatant in it's actions, it's far from an aberration in terms of the country's history. The country's modern founder, Ben-Gurion, stated that Israel should be expanded to it's 'biblical borders'.
