Israel - Palestine discussion thread

[Scaff]

IDF are deliberately targeting UN bases, as per the UN!

"UNIFIL confirmed two peacekeepers were wounded when an Israeli tank fired at an observation tower at its headquarters in Naqoura, southern Lebanon.

Israeli “soldiers also fired on UN position (UNP) 1-31 in Ras Naqoura, hitting the entrance to the bunker where peacekeepers were sheltering, and damaging vehicles and a communications system”, it said in a statement, adding an Israeli “drone was observed flying inside the UN position up to the bunker entrance”.

On Wednesday, UNIFIL said Israeli soldiers “deliberately fired at” perimeter-monitoring cameras and disabled them.

“They also deliberately fired on UNP 1-32A, where regular Tripartite meetings were held before the conflict began, damaging lighting and a relay station,” it said. “Any deliberate attack on peacekeepers is a grave violation of international humanitarian law and of Security Council Resolution 1701.”"

Israeli forces fire on UN peacekeepers in Lebanon

Israel Defense Forces (IDF) fired on UN peacekeepers in Lebanon early Thursday morning, according to UNIFIL, the mission operating along the Security Council-mandated “Blue Line” of separation between the two countries which they patrol.

news.un.org

Israel kills dozens in Gaza school attack, fires at UN positions in Lebanon

Ambulances continue to bring victims to a hospital in Deir el-Balah after an Israeli strike on a school shelter.

aje.io

 

[HenrySwanson]

Wonder what the US's thinking is here. (From 8th October)

 

[Liquid]

A pariah state that can't do no wrong because it's got big, hard mates.

Might is right...

 

[AlexWilmot]

IDF are deliberately targeting UN bases, as per the UN!

"UNIFIL confirmed two peacekeepers were wounded when an Israeli tank fired at an observation tower at its headquarters in Naqoura, southern Lebanon.

Israeli “soldiers also fired on UN position (UNP) 1-31 in Ras Naqoura, hitting the entrance to the bunker where peacekeepers were sheltering, and damaging vehicles and a communications system”, it said in a statement, adding an Israeli “drone was observed flying inside the UN position up to the bunker entrance”.

On Wednesday, UNIFIL said Israeli soldiers “deliberately fired at” perimeter-monitoring cameras and disabled them.

“They also deliberately fired on UNP 1-32A, where regular Tripartite meetings were held before the conflict began, damaging lighting and a relay station,” it said. “Any deliberate attack on peacekeepers is a grave violation of international humanitarian law and of Security Council Resolution 1701.”"

Israeli forces fire on UN peacekeepers in Lebanon

Israel Defense Forces (IDF) fired on UN peacekeepers in Lebanon early Thursday morning, according to UNIFIL, the mission operating along the Security Council-mandated “Blue Line” of separation between the two countries which they patrol.

news.un.org

Israel kills dozens in Gaza school attack, fires at UN positions in Lebanon

Ambulances continue to bring victims to a hospital in Deir el-Balah after an Israeli strike on a school shelter.

aje.io

They were told to evacuate their posts a week ago by the IDF

 

[Scaff]

They were told to evacuate their posts a week ago by the IDF

The last I checked the IDF doesn't have command authority over UN forces.

 

[AlexWilmot]

The last I checked the IDF doesn't have command authority over UN forces.

Yeah I know and UNFIL were meant to keep peace in Southern Lebanon. Which obviously has failed.

it’s not a surprise “attack” though

 

[Scaff]

Yeah I know and UNFIL were meant to keep peace in Southern Lebanon. Which obviously has failed.

Not quite, but please do explain how that would make a deliberate IDF attack on UNFIL locations and troops justified, or give any mandate to the IDF to order them to withdraw.

it’s not a surprise “attack” though

And?

I am, to be honest, quite amazed that you appear to be justifying and attempting to legitimise the IDF deliberately attacking the UN.

 

[HenrySwanson]

Poor slaves:

Lebanon: 'My employers locked me in the house when bombing started'

Domestic workers in Lebanon say they are being abandoned as their employers flee Israeli air strikes.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[AlexWilmot]

I am, to be honest, quite amazed that you appear to be justifying and attempting to legitimise the IDF deliberately attacking the UN.

You can be amazed as that’s not what I said,

IDF told them to evacuate their posts in the area and it wasn’t a surprise attack on them.

 

[Liquid]

IDF told them to evacuate their posts

That has no bearing on what the UN peacekeepers do. Just because someone tells them that means they have to listen and obey? The Israeli Army doesn't have authority over UN forces. "Caught in the crossfire" isn't a valid excuse whether there was a 'warning' or not.

 

[AlexWilmot]

That has no bearing on what the UN peacekeepers do. Just because someone tells them that means they have to listen and obey? The Israeli Army doesn't have authority over UN forces. "Caught in the crossfire" isn't a valid excuse whether there was a 'warning' or not.

Caught in crossfire and deliberately targeting UN forces are two different things

 

[Liquid]

Caught in crossfire and deliberately targeting UN forces are two different things

And neither justify Israel's actions.

 

[Scaff]

You can be amazed as that’s not what I said,

You're excusing the inexcusable, the rest is semantics.

IDF told them to evacuate their posts in the area and it wasn’t a surprise attack on them.

Once again, the IDF doesn't have the mandate to do that, and it would have been a surprise as the IDF shouldn't be deliberately targeting UNFIL forces, doing so is a war crime.

Caught in crossfire and deliberately targeting UN forces are two different things

And the later is the reality based on the information available.

Once may be accidental, but three times isn't.

Wednesday saw the IDF take out monitoring cameras at the UNFIL HQ, Thursday saw a UNFIL observation tower at Naqoura directly hit, and Friday saw two explosions injure UNFIL troops at another observation tower.

It's also not as if they are hard to ID as UN locations.

 

[HenrySwanson]

 

[inCloud]

Younis Tirawi | يونس

Palestinian Reporter on Security & Political Affairs

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[dylansan]

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I'm amazed that this could be anyones's takeaway from a video like that.

 

[Joey D]

I'm amazed that this could be anyones's takeaway from a video like that.

Soviet Zionists gonna Soviet Zionists.

 

[inCloud]

From a video

From source. Video is lack any context, even if we don't think its fake from HAMAS/PLO.

 

[HenrySwanson]

Israel’s decapitation strategy is working, but comes at a heavy cost

Mossad has cashed in its assets to kill Hamas and Hezbollah leaders. But its intelligence base has been sacrificed and many in the wider world are angry at the civilian toll

www.thetimes.com

...Israeli decapitation activities have clearly moved into a different era since the October 7 atrocity.

Intelligence “assets” — agents, traitors, devices, malware — are usually left to sit quietly until they can activate something significant. Israeli intelligence chiefs seem to have been prepared to cash in their healthy balance of intelligence assets this year to create an unrivalled picture of the movements of individuals in Hamas and Hezbollah.

It will be interesting to see how Lebanon moves on (and if it changes at all) after this war.

 

[dylansan]

From source. Video is lack any context, even if we don't think its fake from HAMAS/PLO.

The IDF has been livestreaming their war crimes, and bragging about it on Facebook and Telegram, for over a year. We've seen them stealing or breaking civilians' belongings, wearing their underwear, playing with their childrens' toys. We've seen them blowing up their houses, their schools, their hospitals, and dancing in the rubble. We've seen them degrade and torture captives, and snipe at civilians running for their lives, all while fans on social media cheer it on.

Israel troops continue posting abuse footage despite pledge to act

Images shared online include Palestinian detainees draped in the Israeli flag and held in stress positions.

www.bbc.com

Israeli Soldiers Flaunt War Crimes on Social Media. Why Aren’t They Held Accountable?

In video after video, soldiers document their atrocities, marking a new era of impunity.

truthout.org

Israel/OPT: Horrifying cases of torture and degrading treatment of Palestinian detainees amid spike in arbitrary arrests

Israeli authorities have dramatically increased their use of administrative detention, a form of arbitrary detention, of Palestinians across the occupied West Bank; extended emergency measures that facilitate inhuman and degrading treatment of prisoners; and failed to investigate incidents of...

www.amnesty.org

Here's an IDF reservist celebrating the destruction of Gaza:



The UN just released a report on Israeli was crimes in Gaza, and plenty of the evidence came directly from IDF soldiers posting to social media.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/10/un-commission-finds-war-crimes-and-crimes-against-humanity-israeli-attacks

We have names of over 1000 IDF soldiers whose crimes are documented with thousands of pieces of video, audio, forensic, and social media evidence.

Historic ICC War Crimes Complaint Names 1,000 Israeli Soldiers | Common Dreams

"This complaint is not only the largest ever submitted to the ICC, but it is also a milestone in documenting Israeli war crimes for future generations."

www.commondreams.org

And your argument is what? That a Palestinian couldn't possibly be a journalist?

 

[inCloud]

That a Palestinian couldn't possibly be a journalist

There were journalists in Nazi Germany or USSR under Stalin? You either journalist or living in territory that under total control of Islamists that would behead you(or your relatives)if what you posting isn't antiIsrael enough.

The IDF has been livestreaming their war crimes

Like Ukrainians and Russians, I believe any modern army would do this just because everyone have smartphone and warcrimes are integral part of any conflict. Soldiers aren't smartest people in the world(somehow military service makes people even dumber than they typically are), especially after years of bloodbath and daily shellings. Doesn't change that this is out of context and posted by very questionable source.

 

[Boston77]

I’m an honorable discharged veteran who proudly served in the US Army.
Thanks for saying that we weren’t smart. but then I somehow got dummer after?
Man, you a freaking piece of work.

 

[Scaff]

You either journalist or living in territory that under total control of Islamists that would behead you(or your relatives)if what you posting isn't antiIsrael enough.

Citation required

 

[UKMikey]

I’m an honorable discharged veteran who proudly served in the US Army.

Thanks for your service.

 

[dylansan]

warcrimes are integral part of any conflict.

Can't believe I missed this when I first read it. Jesus.

 

[HenrySwanson]

Can't believe I missed this when I first read it. Jesus.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here as I think (hope) it was a translation error. He may have meant "unavoidable" instead of "integral".

 

[inCloud]

I’m an honorable discharged veteran who proudly served in the US Army.

You army committed warcrimes in every conflict it take part, none of those were defensive since 1945. Considering it was you voluntary choice and concept of corporate responsibility I have bad news for you.

that we weren’t smart

Soldiers aren't smartest people in the world

Ironically

He may have meant "unavoidable" instead of "integral".

Its, kinda, same thing if we talking about full scale conflicts. War is voluntary thing, if someone[leader] making his choice to participate, then he taking his responsibility for unavoidable warcrimes of his soldiers.

 

[Joey D]

Man, you a freaking piece of work.

Honestly, I'm not even sure why he's not banned yet. He's straight up said my Jewish wife is a bad Jew for not supporting Israel and that I'm some how anti semetic, he posts lie after lie without backing anything up, he's probably on Putin's misinformation payroll, he trolls constantly, and he insults everyone he interacts. Nevermind he doesn't understand English well enough to have these conversations. There's having a difference of opinion and actually discussing things and then there's whatever he's attempting to do.

Now he's saying you're stupid and committed war crimes despite not knowing anything about you, or what you did in the military. For all he knows you fixed tanks or helicopter, were an armourer, or hell even a cook or a medic. To insinuate you personally committed war crimes because you're stupid is asinine.